JJ (Joe) our X-Factor

[binkar]

I really think that Joe is underappreciated. He is our x-factor. I have thought alot about the Dalembert trade (if even a possibility) and think it would be a big mistake.

He is our best defender of all our guards.

He is our best pure shooter. (With the exception of possibly Nash)

He is best at creating his own shot out of all our back court.

He is our best ball handler outside of Steve Nash.

He can run the team when Steve can't (obviously not as effectively but he does a decent job).

He has great size for a guard and is very fundamentally sound.

He averages 15.7 points, 5.5 rebounds, and 3.6 assists which our all great considering all the scorers on this team and playing the 2.

He is second in the league in 3 point field goal percentage.

He doesn't have an ego, but he plays the game hard.

I think he is our most over looked player, maybe not by all of us but definetly in the media and by other, and even by alot of suns fans. There has to be a reason he averages the most minutes on the team. I think because he is not real flashy with highlight reel dunks and plays, and his quiet demeanor, that people tend to overlook how important he really is to our team.

 

[Billythekid]

I have to agree, Joe Johnson is a massive part of this team. Without him we'd be missing a big piece. JJ is so smooth, I love the moves how he gets into the lane, i wish he'd finish stronger sometimes, but he's great as creating something out of nothing and he's really mastered the lil one handed floater.
JJ also hustles and is an aggressive defender.

Much love for JJ.

 

[Joe Mama]

I agree. I think people (including myself at times) talk about trading him because we are not used to seeing a roster with so many swingmen. Fortunately I get the feeling that the Phoenix Suns organization really values JJ. I just wrote in another post a little while ago that I think it will take a big offer from another team next summer to get JJ away from the Suns. Because of his quiet, relaxed personality and his reputation of being somewhat soft and inconsistent I think he offers he will get will be on the high end of reasonable.

I do have to admit though that I would be lying if I said there were times in the last few days where I thought it wouldn't be a terrible idea to trade him for Dalembert. Of course this doesn't mean that I actually believe there was or is any chance of this trade happening.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaplin]

I disagree. I think Joe is appreciated, I also think that he is still inconsistent. There is actual proof of that.

And I think the biggest reason for people wanting to trade him doesn't have much to do with his role on the team, it has to do with the fact that he is going to be a RFA and he has pretty nice value, so people assume that getting value for him isn't far-fetched.

 

[binkar]

I disagree. I think Joe is appreciated, I also think that he is still inconsistent. There is actual proof of that.

And I think the biggest reason for people wanting to trade him doesn't have much to do with his role on the team, it has to do with the fact that he is going to be a RFA and he has pretty nice value, so people assume that getting value for him isn't far-fetched.

Just out of curiousity...If you would like, go down that list of things I stated (1 by 1) and say if you agree or disagree and why.

 

[Chaplin]

He is our best defender of all our guards. Agreed

He is our best pure shooter. (With the exception of possibly Nash)Our best pure shooter is Nash.

He is best at creating his own shot out of all our back court. Steve Nash is better.

He is our best ball handler outside of Steve Nash. Agreed

He can run the team when Steve can't (obviously not as effectively but he does a decent job). Agreed

He has great size for a guard and is very fundamentally sound. Agreed

He averages 15.7 points, 5.5 rebounds, and 3.6 assists which our all great considering all the scorers on this team and playing the 2. Agreed

He is second in the league in 3 point field goal percentage. Agreed, I guess

He doesn't have an ego, but he plays the game hard. Agreed


You're making me sound like I WANT to trade Joe away, and that's not it at all.

 

[binkar]

He is our best defender of all our guards. Agreed

He is our best pure shooter. (With the exception of possibly Nash)Our best pure shooter is Nash.

He is best at creating his own shot out of all our back court. Steve Nash is better.

He is our best ball handler outside of Steve Nash. Agreed

He can run the team when Steve can't (obviously not as effectively but he does a decent job). Agreed

He has great size for a guard and is very fundamentally sound. Agreed

He averages 15.7 points, 5.5 rebounds, and 3.6 assists which our all great considering all the scorers on this team and playing the 2. Agreed

He is second in the league in 3 point field goal percentage. Agreed, I guess

He doesn't have an ego, but he plays the game hard. Agreed


You're making me sound like I WANT to trade Joe away, and that's not it at all.

No I didn't no if you did or did not. I was just curious for your opinion.

 

[CardNots]

He can run the team when Steve can't (obviously not as effectively but he does a decent job).

Am I missing something? Who was running the team when we went on a 6 game skid? At least 4 games it was JJ.

Don't get me wrong, I like JJ but the fact is he can run the team but wins are not what he produces as a PG.

 

[elindholm]

The whole team was just flat-out awful while Nash was hurt. I don't think anything can be concluded about Johnson's PG abilities from those few games.

 

[CardNots]

The whole team was just flat-out awful while Nash was hurt. I don't think anything can be concluded about Johnson's PG abilities from those few games.

I agree with you. It does seem when Nash is out everyone goes out of sync even with JJ puting up good numbers as a point.

JJ reminds me of Lebron physically without the attitude. I'm not sure he really knows how good he could be. He has all the skills, I just can't figure out what he's missing. Oh yeah, I know. He's missing his mojo. Of course that would imply he had it to begin with.

 

[Skkorpion]

Joe is superb for us precisely because he's usually our 3rd option on offense. Any team that pays him to be "THE guy" or the second guy may be disappointed because Joe's personality isn't suited for it, in my opinion.

 

[RJ May]

Joe is superb for us precisely because he's usually our 3rd option on offense.

Amare is the first option and everyone else is the second option depending on who's hot. There are no 3rd options on this team.



Any team that pays him to be "THE guy" or the second guy may be disappointed because Joe's personality isn't suited for it, in my opinion.

I could easily see JJ as a number two guy. Let me ask you a question. If Amare goes down with an injury who would be your first option?

 

[panfolk]

Marion.

It's awesome that we have starters so good we can even discuss a 4th option of all things. Some teams only have 2 or 3 offensively talented players.

Astute point Skkorpion

 

[RJ May]

Marion.

It's awesome that we have starters so good we can even discuss a 4th option of all things. Some teams only have 2 or 3 offensively talented players

Marion's offensive game depends on Nash too much.

 

[Chaplin]

Marion's offensive game depends on Nash too much.

And you're saying that Amare's doesn't??

 

[KingofCards]

You mean J-John right?


As in J-John dumps it in the hole!

 

[arthurracoon]

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ!!!!!!!!!!

 

[devilalum]

The Suns were respectable at the end of last season without Nash.

He is obviously the cog that makes this team go but I think the Suns would get it together and play much better than they did a week ago if Nash was out for an extended period.

The problem seemed to be that they weren't prepared to go without Nash.

Marion, JJ, Amare, Q and either Hunter or Barbosa is still a very talented lineup, add Jackson to that and they should still be able to win most games. I was very dissappointed with the way all of them responded.

D'Antoni has said on numerous occasions that Nash is the couch on the floor etc. I guess we've all witnessed how true that is.

 

[zett]

D'Antoni has said on numerous occasions that Nash is the couch on the floor etc. I guess we've all witnessed how true that is.

With out the couch out there, The chairs just look funny, And That Coffee Table? It lost all confidence in it's ability to hold a simple Vase!

 

[zett]

Actually JJ was not the problem when nash was out. Marion and Stat were just awful! They just refused to cut to the hoop or play like they normally would several times I saw jj draw a double team while penitrating the lane and Amare just turned and walked away instead of flashing down. And marion was getting the same open looks and was chucking up air ball after airball? JJ didn't have himself out on the wing to pass to either.

 

[devilalum]

With out the couch out there, The chairs just look funny, And That Coffee Table? It lost all confidence in it's ability to hold a simple Vase!

This is the sort of humor that I enjoy.

 

[devilalum]

I think it was primarily the curse of the orange jerseys.

 

[Joe Mama]

The Suns were respectable at the end of last season without Nash.

He is obviously the cog that makes this team go but I think the Suns would get it together and play much better than they did a week ago if Nash was out for an extended period.

The problem seemed to be that they weren't prepared to go without Nash.

Marion, JJ, Amare, Q and either Hunter or Barbosa is still a very talented lineup, add Jackson to that and they should still be able to win most games. I was very dissappointed with the way all of them responded.

D'Antoni has said on numerous occasions that Nash is the couch on the floor etc. I guess we've all witnessed how true that is.

the team was OK at the end of last season, but I think McDyess was a big part of that.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

I'm not sure the concept of "first option, second option" makes any sense with the Suns. The ball gets spread around.

Realistically, Nash is unique and there is no other PG who could do what he does for this team. JJ is actually pretty good, but that isn't enough with this team. This is a good team, but it is very hard to win on the road even at full strength, so Nash's injury came at a terrible time.

BTW, the slump did reveal that the Suns bench couldn't cut it, which is why JJax was picked up.