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Actually he wasn't fired. His contract expired and he was not renewed.
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Fox is at the top of my wish list for DC. I would throw in the General Manager job to him as well to get him here.
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Has he ever coached the 3-4? I know he was a 4-3 DC in New York. Like it or not we have to get a guy with 3-4 experience.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5975190
John Clayton said that Russ Grimm would be a top candidate to replace him.
John Clayton said that Russ Grimm would be a top candidate to replace him.
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We don't have the LB's to run a 3-4, we need to switch to a 4-3. Easier to add some D Linemen, keeping Branch, than to get the talent we need to fill a 3-4. Toss Davis and bring in a real coach.
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We don't have the LB's to run a 3-4, we need to switch to a 4-3. Easier to add some D Linemen, keeping Branch, than to get the talent we need to fill a 3-4. Toss Davis and bring in a real coach.
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I've been saying this for weeks now. Draft Bowers, run a 4-3, and bam! We'll have a good defense.
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We don't have the LB's to run a 3-4, we need to switch to a 4-3. Easier to add some D Linemen, keeping Branch, than to get the talent we need to fill a 3-4. Toss Davis and bring in a real coach.
So you are basically giving up on our first and second round picks from last season? Williams is an ideal 3-4 NT and Washington an ideal 3-4 ILB...then you are also going to put Dockett back in the middle? Because he isn't a 4-3 DE.
Not to mention Whisenhunt prefers the 3-4 and as long as he is coach it is going to be our base defense.
Zeno, you know as well as I do the Cards better get some players to replace the likes of Hayes/lennon/Porter/Haggans or 3-4 will never work even though they have the front line for it,
Edit to add...I know Scofield and Washington show promise but they aren't enough
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Zeno
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I just think it would be easier for us to find 2 LBs that would work than to totally revamp our DL and still find a MLB (Washington couldn't play MLB in a 4-3) --Campbell is a 4-3 DE, that would leave Dockett and Williams on the inside with no 4-3 DEs or MLB on the roster. You can only scrap a defense and start over so often--a defense in a constant transition will never be good.
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Get some LB's and the 3-4 is fine.
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Williams also would excel as a NT in a 4-3. Most of his career (up until this season) that's the position he played.
Additionally, Washington is ideal (more so than a 3-4 ILB) at 4-3 WILL. More lineman = more protection from blockers.
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Agree 100%. Just look at the Williams' in Minnesota....they do great (having Allen doesn't hurt) in the middle and free up for their smaller backers behind)
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You are wrong on both counts. Both guys are in the ideal positions for their size and abilities. Williams is exactly the prototypical NT both in size and how he plays. He could play a 4-3 DT but he is not going to be as effective and it would be a waste of where we picked him. We also have NO 4-3 DEs currently on this roster, our pass rush as non-existent as it currently is, would absolutely disappear.
Washington's position as an ILB in the 3-4 allows him more freedom for movement, he doesn't have to be protected from blockers, he isn't playing the Gerald Hayes "stay at home" ILB, he is allowed to use his athleticism to flow to the play.
More lineman does not equal better protection nor does it mean better defense against the run--thats a mistake a lot of people make about the 3-4, responsibilities are different for the LBs and DL than the 4-3--the gaps still get filled.
Again the point is moot--as long as Whisenhunt is coach we will continue to be a base 3-4 team.
