jordan coming

[vini]

a friend of mine called me and said that he was at the airport and lamont jordan was there , what might he be doing there ?.maybe a little visit to see denny and mr.graves? this would be perfect. then they could spend their pick on something other than a rb.and if you really want to look for more bargains grab mike mcmahon at qb . he should'nt cost to much and is worth the risk if he does'nt work out so what. remember the team is 24 mil under the cap that should still leave some room for one more big fa because you will have to still sign your draft picks.

 

[black]

a friend of mine called me and said that he was at the airport and lamont jordan was there , what might he be doing there ?.maybe a little visit to see denny and mr.graves? this would be perfect. then they could spend their pick on something other than a rb.and if you really want to look for more bargains grab mike mcmahon at qb . he should'nt cost to much and is worth the risk if he does'nt work out so what. remember the team is 24 mil under the cap that should still leave some room for one more big fa because you will have to still sign your draft picks.

If this is true and LaMont does sign, the Cards must pick up another RB in FA. LaMont is quick, but the depth at the position is what I worry about. Pick up someone in the later rounds better than Croom or Anderson is what I'm saying.


LaMont Jordan would be huge in AZ.

 

[joeshmo]

Highly unlikely that if he was here he was talking with us.

You are not allowed to talk to FA until March 2nd.

He is probably here doing offseason workout stuff. A lot of athletes workout here during their offseasons becuase there are some pretty good private training facilities here for athletes.

 

[kerouac9]

...if you really want to look for more bargains grab mike mcmahon at qb . he should'nt cost to much and is worth the risk if he does'nt work out so what. remember the team is 24 mil under the cap that should still leave some room for one more big fa because you will have to still sign your draft picks.

Mike McMahon? What's the difference between McMahon and McCown? I guess that we *know* that McCown sucks, but we can only have a *really* educated guess that McMahon does. McMahon somehow has managed to put together an even less impressive career in the NFL than McCown.

Worst. Idea. Ever.

I agree with Jo that Jordan's probably here to play some golf and do some workouts. McNabb and T.O. have their offseason homes here, and workout here all the tim. The Cards would be tampering having Jordan out here this soon. Why not just wait until February 22?

 

[artp]

a friend of mine called me and said that he was at the airport and lamont jordan was there , what might he be doing there ?.maybe a little visit to see denny and mr.graves? this would be perfect. then they could spend their pick on something other than a rb.and if you really want to look for more bargains grab mike mcmahon at qb . he should'nt cost to much and is worth the risk if he does'nt work out so what. remember the team is 24 mil under the cap that should still leave some room for one more big fa because you will have to still sign your draft picks.

I don't think Jordan is an upgrade over Shipp.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think Jordan is an upgrade over Shipp.

Then you, sir, know nothing about football. At all. Marcel Shipp isn't fit to hold Lamont Jordan's jockstrap. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

 

[joeshmo]

I don't think Jordan is an upgrade over Shipp.

 

[vini]

you mean march 2 right. i think that you have nothing to lose grabbing mcmahon he is faster than josh more accurate than josh just a strong of an arm as josh he just has a little trouble reading defenses which most guys who have'nt played alot do. i think you stick him with denny and coach him up a bit he will be effective. this guy is'nt demanding alot avg. starting money would get him maybe even a little less. maybe we will find out feb 22 . i rule i'm the smartest guy on here and you will have to wait until feb.22 to find that out. that's right feb22 feb22 feb22 feb22

 

[joeshmo]

Why not just wait until February 22?

That is the Deadline for clubs to designate Franchise and Transition Players.

 

[vini]

i'm also not sure if jordan is good enough to use the old someone is'nt good enough to hold his jock line. i mean i think he is an upgrade no doubt. let's not forget shipp had a pretty good year when he was healthy in 03 and that was sharing the carries. so even though i started this thread and think jordan is the best option out there i'm not putting him in the hall of fame ....now that would be the worst idea ever

 

[JasonKGME]

Then you, sir, know nothing about football. At all. Marcel Shipp isn't fit to hold Lamont Jordan's jockstrap. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Please show me how this is a FACT??? Sorry this is a blatant OPINION if there ever was one. Jordan has not been a starter EVER, he has allways been the guy who comes in late in games, gets garbage time carries, 198 of his 262 carries are during blow out games, either for or against them, his yardage 991 yards avg of 5.0 yards and 7 TDs, outside of blow out games he has 64 carries for 236 yards or 3.7 yards per carry and 3 TD's.

Marcel Shipp in blow out games and garbage time has 214 carries for 876 yards or 4.1 yards per carry and 4 TD's, in close games he has 202 carries for 788 yards or 3.9 yards per carry with 2 TD's.

So TD wise Jordan has better stats, but yardage per carry wise when teams are locked in against the run Shipp has better #'s.

 

[vini]

i think jordan can be a better back however shipp has proved he can play as a starter already. i'm just not sure how shipp will return from his injury. jordan could take the bulk of the carries and then you could have shipp come in and give him a rest from time to time. i think it's not a bad thing to have two backs in the nfl with all the injuries .

 

[joeshmo]

Jordan has not been a starter EVER, he has allways been the guy who comes in late in games, gets garbage time carries,

I got to say this is a very valid point.

In the first half Jordans stats are:

22 carries, 74 yards, 3.4 YPC

In the second half when Martin has already taken the wind out of the D his stats are:

71 carries, 405 yards, 5.7 YPC

Now I dont like Shipp as a starter, for many reasons the main one being he just cant last a whole season and always tails off late in the season, but this has already been discussed in other threads.

But if we get a franchise Back via Trade, FA, or Draft, Shipp could be our version of Jordan coming in fresh in the 2nd half of the game and taking advantage of the winded D. And that is a good thing.

 

[kerouac9]

That is the Deadline for clubs to designate Franchise and Transition Players.

Then why did I think that it was Feb 22? Didn't Len Pasquarelli say in his Tip Sheet column that guys like Jeff Garcia and Kurt Warner could start shopping themselves then? I apparently have no idea what I'm talking about.

Anyone who thinks that Lamont Jordan isn't 10 times the player that Marcel Shipp is hasn't seen the kid play. Jordan couldn't horn in on a future hall of famer on the way to the best season of his career. When he did come in, he produced. On the other hand, Marcel Shipp couldn't edge out a future hall of famer on his last legs, and a number of babies have been born on this board since he last scored a touchdown. And celebrated their first birthdays. And their second. Jordan is faster, stronger, and more agile than Shipp. He has better field vision and fresher legs. And he has a nose for the endzone.

I don't particularly like Jordan, especially not for Green's system. But to say that he wouldn't be an upgrade over Marcel Shipp is patently ridiculous. What's Marcel Shipp's W-L record as a starter? Should we remember back to the bad old days under Dave McGinnis? All he's shown is that he can lose a lot of games as a starting running back. I could show the same thing.

 

[Redsz]

Now your arguing Shipp's W/L record as the reason he 'sucks'? LOL.

The fact that you find new and crazy ways to try and blast Shipp just cracks me up.

What in the world did he do to make you have such a vendetta against him?

 

[Russ Smith]

you mean march 2 right. i think that you have nothing to lose grabbing mcmahon he is faster than josh more accurate than josh just a strong of an arm as josh he just has a little trouble reading defenses which most guys who have'nt played alot do. i think you stick him with denny and coach him up a bit he will be effective. this guy is'nt demanding alot avg. starting money would get him maybe even a little less. maybe we will find out feb 22 . i rule i'm the smartest guy on here and you will have to wait until feb.22 to find that out. that's right feb22 feb22 feb22 feb22

Mcmahon is the least accurate QB in the NFL that's not 3rd string. I'm no Josh fan but Josh is MUCH better than McMahon.

 

[Stout]

Anyone who thinks Shipp is a better back than Jordan...well, this is all I gotta say...

 

[Crimson Warrior]

But if we get a franchise Back via Trade, FA, or Draft, Shipp could be our version of Jordan coming in fresh in the 2nd half of the game and taking advantage of the winded D. And that is a good thing.

I like this.

A lot of good teams have two good backs.

Philly -Levins and westbrook

NE - Dillon and Faulk

Pitt- Bettis and Duce

I don't think too many backs can carry the load every game for 16 games.

Even the mighty K-9 doesn't think cutting Shipp is a good idea.

 

[vini]

how would you know if he is the least accurate . if you are just looking at stats from the few games he played then you are wrong because if you actually watched the games you would know he had alot of passes droped and there is no stat for that to go along with comp.%. so you know nothing .no soup for you. anyways that is just an option i floated out there, for real i think they should get hasslebeck ,they definitely have the cash . they are way under the cap. will they be willing to go there probably not

 

[Russ Smith]

how would you know if he is the least accurate . if you are just looking at stats from the few games he played then you are wrong because if you actually watched the games you would know he had alot of passes droped and there is no stat for that to go along with comp.%. so you know nothing .no soup for you. anyways that is just an option i floated out there, for real i think they should get hasslebeck ,they definitely have the cash . they are way under the cap. will they be willing to go there probably not

I've seen him play several times and everytime it's the same thing, he's a safety playing QB.

Good athlete, horrible QB.

Too early for soup anyways, I'll get some cereal.

 

[JeffGollin]

From what I've seen on tape, Jordan would probably represent a slight upgrade over Shipp - he just comes across as a tad quicker and a tiny bit more explosive - but not by a lot.

But that's by no means a fact. We haven't seen the two players within identical contexts (Translation: The Jets run blocking is better than ours).

And then there's also the question of rehab. Until Marcel goes out on the practice field and proves he's all the way back, he'll represent a question-mark. (And you know how head coaches hate going into situations having to deal with unknown factors).

 

[wierwolf]

I say bring in Jordan. We still don't know how good Shipp is gonna return from injury. We still have Hambrick which was starting to do well as the late in the game, pound the rock player. That is until he got injured. Can't "TALK" to players until March second.... LOL.... How many signings came at the stroke of midnight to start the FA period? I am sure he came here to visit some "friends."

 

[Pariah]

If this is true and LaMont does sign, the Cards must pick up another RB in FA. LaMont is quick, but the depth at the position is what I worry about. Pick up someone in the later rounds better than Croom or Anderson is what I'm saying.


LaMont Jordan would be huge in AZ.

What about Shipp and Hambrick? With Jordan, that's a pretty deep backfield, IMO.

 

[JasonKGME]

Jordan is faster, stronger, and more agile than Shipp. He has better field vision and fresher legs.

Here are thier stats from thier agility tests please note they took the test at the same time, links first and then stats:


http://www.jsonline.com/packer/rev/apr01/tailback-lamontjordan.asp?format=print

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/rev/apr01/halfback-marcelshipp.asp?format=print

They have IDENTICAL 40 times at 4.57, Shipp had 5 extra pounds on the Bench press at 355 vs Jordans 350, Jordan had a 470 squat vs Shipps 430 squat, Shipp won on the power clean with 290 pounds vs 264 pounds. So overall exact same speed and very equatable numbers power wise.

So once again I would like you to provide me with some FACT showing that Jordan is SO MUCH better then Shipp. That he is faster, stronger or more agile then Shipp.

Please note I am not saying that Jordan may not be a better back then Shipp is, but so far he has done nothing to prove that as a FACT. Only thing he has proven is that behind a great RB and a good run blocking line during garbage time he can get some great yardage. Woo hoo!

 

[wierwolf]

Shipp is coming off a MAJOR injury and we just don't know with what we'll get.. That is how....