June 1 rumor

[Harry]

I don't usually do rumors, but the source here is quite good. Word here in Florida is that the Cards have let Tony Brackens' agent know they are interested in bidding for Brackens when he is released June 1. Nothing much can happen before then due to NFL tampering rules, but it's one of those a subtle words placed to the right person deals. The Cards may have a real shot, as few teams will have much cap room to offer. I'd say he's a stop gap, but much better than what the Cards currently have. It also fits with Graves' indications the Cards would like to move down and figure Suggs will be gone before they select.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I believe that Brackens would only be an option for the Cardinals if they fail to sign Vonnie Holliday. Brackens has had some good years sacking to QB, but like you said, he's a question mark. His injury history is just as bad (if not worse) than Holliday's.

Now if the Cardinals signed both Holliday and Brackens, then I could see a real push to trade down if Suggs is unavailable. I would rather see them draft a stud DT (Kennedy anyone?) instead of trading down.

Unless of course trading down secures them an awesome DT to line up next to Bryant.

 

[pinnacle]

Ed B will weigh on this at some point..I mentioned quite awhile ago brackens would probably be let go - but Ed posted that brackens is very seriously injured - and I have no reason to doubt what ed is saying.... If he passes his physical and is healthy..bring it on.. I would guess this is all speculation until he has a physical with his new team..

 

[AZCB34]

Didn't somebody post here recently that brackens had the infamous microfracture surgery?

Strangely, where the Cards sit right now, Brackens, injury and all, would still be an upgrade I think. His injuries do scare me a bit but if he came at the right price and you could really make him a situational pass rushing player, he may pay some dividends. Right now, from what has been said, I doubt he could be an every down player.

 

[Cards Czar]

More inportantly through is who are the Wide Receivers that are going to be released on June 1st due to Cap Figures?
Maybe Robertson from chicago, Muhammed (bad spelling) from Carolina.

I bet the Cards are really looking into these 2 and maybe more.


Navy Mike

 

[Cardiac]

If Holliday is signed then our DE position will be upgraded, especially the LDE spot. With Bryant and a 1st rd DT taken then KVB will be more than adequate on runnig downs. Throw a medically cleared Brackens into the mix on passing downs and this unit will be greatly improved.

This draft is loaded at the DT position so trading down in the 1st would be a great option that would still allow us to get an impact player at this position.

Kevin Williams
Johnathan Sullivan
Kenny Peterson
Rein Long
William Joseph

These are all possible 1st rd DT's. I do agree Kennedy and Robertson better fill our needs but Sullivan can also play the 2 gap position.

I also agree with Zona that a vet WR should be the top priority.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Didn't somebody post here recently that brackens had the infamous microfracture surgery?

Strangely, where the Cards sit right now, Brackens, injury and all, would still be an upgrade I think. His injuries do scare me a bit but if he came at the right price and you could really make him a situational pass rushing player, he may pay some dividends. Right now, from what has been said, I doubt he could be an every down player.

You are correct.

Tony Brackens is finished. He feel under the influence of Coughlin and the evil team doctor of Jacksonville. Coughlin convinced him to play through terrible injuries and it ruined his career. Coughlin and the team doctor should be in prison for what they have done to a few players.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Cardiac
If Holliday is signed then our DE position will be upgraded, especially the LDE spot. With Bryant and a 1st rd DT taken then KVB will be more than adequate on runnig downs. Throw a medically cleared Brackens into the mix on passing downs and this unit will be greatly improved.

This draft is loaded at the DT position so trading down in the 1st would be a great option that would still allow us to get an impact player at this position.

Kevin Williams
Johnathan Sullivan
Kenny Peterson
Rein Long
William Joseph

These are all possible 1st rd DT's. I do agree Kennedy and Robertson better fill our needs but Sullivan can also play the 2 gap position.

I also agree with Zona that a vet WR should be the top priority.

The DTs that I really like in this order:

1. Robertson
2. Williams
3. Kennedy
4. Sullivan
5. Peterson

Rien Long's workout numbers scared me off, and watching Joseph get dominated in the National Championship and then have a bad combine and bad pro day, it really makes me question his ability.

Robertson and Williams are my favorites because they are quick penetrators.

 

[JeffGollin]

Now if the Cardinals signed both Holliday and Brackens, then I could see a real push to trade down if Suggs is unavailable
You be caught in the proverbial time warp.

1. Cards can't work out a deal with Brackens in advance of June 1.

2. So when it's their turn to draft Suggs (if he's there) they won't have Brackens signed and there can't be an advance commitment in place ahead of June 1, so they won't know about Brackens at that time.

3. If they pass Suggs and decide to roll the dice and negotiate with Brackens after June 1, the Cards will be leading from weakness, because Brackens would be their only remaining opportunity to improve their pass rush.

4. The microfracture issue really disturbs me. I just hope the Cards will not rely on their crack medical team - the ones who gave us the "rehabs" of Swann (microfracture) and Wadsworth -to help make the evaluation of Brackens.

But on the other hand, sometimes we fans THINK we know what the deal is and we don't. (Perhaps Brackens is better physically than what's commonly being reported).

 

[Goldfield]

I am simply impressed that the CARDINALS are being so active...

If nothing else atleast they are giving us stuff to talk about durring the offseason!

 

[Tangodnzr]

Does little bush = beaver = "woos"?

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Does little bush = beaver = "woos"?

Where did this come from? Is this tom-foolery?

Dude, you are such a hypocite!

 

[kerouac9]

Just a couple points:

I read on NFL Insider that Philly would push hard for Brackens if he's healthy and gets released by the Jags.

Don't forget another up in the air microfracture "victim": DeShaun Foster. Why do players go for this? Do they get hypnotized at their consultation visit?

 

[Dan H]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Just a couple points:

I read on NFL Insider that Philly would push hard for Brackens if he's healthy and gets released by the Jags.

Don't forget another up in the air microfracture "victim": DeShaun Foster. Why do players go for this? Do they get hypnotized at their consultation visit?

It seems to have worked fairly well for Penny Hardaway - eventually, anyway.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Microfracture is a last resort procedure. It's success rate is very low. Generally those who have it done have reached the point where their career is shot anyway without it, there's nothing else that can be done, so they take the longshot chance it will work.
Most of the time, history has shown...... it doesn't very often.

 

[Tangodnzr]

BTW...what's with this hypocrite stuff Ken?

I hope the weight of that chip on your shoulder doesn't permanently disfigure you.

 

[cards 24-7-365]

Like Tango said, "choosing" to have microfracture is "choosing" to have a shot at playing again. Without microfracture these guys do not have the "choice" to play football again. Microfracture success stories include Bruce Smith, Rod Woodson, Penny Hardaway. Microfracture failures include Wadsworth, and Swann. Microfracture question marks: Terell Davis, Foster, Brackens.

So much of the success depends on what part of the bone the person has the microfracture. Some parts of a bone or joint surface bear more weight than other parts of the joint surface. If the work is done on a weight bearing aspect of the joint surface -- game over.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Now that Holliday signed with KC, Brackens is the only name of an above (however slightly) average DE left that I've heard that is, or will be, available. Brackens history is better than Holliday's at rushing the QB, for what that's worth...

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Just a couple points:

I read on NFL Insider that Philly would push hard for Brackens if he's healthy and gets released by the Jags.

Don't forget another up in the air microfracture "victim": DeShaun Foster. Why do players go for this? Do they get hypnotized at their consultation visit?

Because there isn't yet a viable alternative because implanting cartilage and synthetic cartilage isn't there yet. It will be someday and there are people doing it now.

You have to remember guys with minor knee injuries don't just decide to get microfractures it's guys who have career threatening injuries that do it.

 

[slanidrac16]

Tony Brackens? Are you nuts?

He will be totally useless to this team . He would be on the sidelines watching most of the time. No thanks.

 

[ajcardfan]

Re: Tony Brackens? Are you nuts?

Originally posted by slanidrac16
He will be totally useless to this team . He would be on the sidelines watching most of the time. No thanks.

I can't see him passing a physical, but we'll sure give it a try because we are now grasping at straws. Seventeen million bucks to burn still, but no DE of note to spend it on.

 

[Harry]

Brackens is a dollar guy and the Cards should have the bucks to outbid Philly. Even if he's just a situational rusher, he is a playmaker.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Harry
Brackens is a dollar guy and the Cards should have the bucks to outbid Philly. Even if he's just a situational rusher, he is a playmaker.......if healthy and that's a BIG IF.