jurecki just said on the radio...

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that he was told last week the search for a coach has already started..or that is what I think he said..anyone hear the same?

He also seemed to imply that mcginnis will finish out the season.
 
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Yep.

THat's what he said. After hearing Mac's comments after yesterday's debacle I think he sees the handwriting on the wall. He's outta here!
 

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If true he should be fired now. Why keep him around. His firing might light a fire under a couple of guys worried about a job next season!
 

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If true he should be fired now. Why keep him around. His firing might light a fire under a couple of guys worried about a job next season!

Because not all of the guys we may be interested in are available now presumably.

As someone said last week they either have to extend Mac or fire him because it will be impossible to sign any FA's or new assistant coaches with Mac in his last year as a lameduck. He's going to be fired and he should be this team is poorly coached and this year is the worst.

The offense came out of the blocks looking pretty good against a lousy Detroit defense, but it took 3 weeks for the NFL to figure it out and Sully hasn't adjusted. Early on I was on his side but it's pretty clear he's over his head as an OC, WR coach fine keep him, OC sorry gotta go. They need to gut this staff.
 
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sully will be gone along with everyone else....

I am guessing we will suprise to the upside on the coach we get in here...just a guess. I think we are done fooling around...it may not be a top guy who has been a head coach in the NFL before - but I think we will at least get an up and coming coordinator who has a track record of success...just my opinion...
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
sully will be gone along with everyone else....

I am guessing we will suprise to the upside on the coach we get in here...just a guess. I think we are done fooling around...it may not be a top guy who has been a head coach in the NFL before - but I think we will at least get an up and coming coordinator who has a track record of success...just my opinion...

God I hope you're right I'm tired of hearing opponents talk about how predictable our offense or defense play calling is.

At this point even I am of the opinion a first round QB might be a good pick, not because I dislike Blake, because I now think we may pick high enough to get that first round QB(I figured we'd beat Cleveland, Chicago and possibly SF again and finish with 6 wins, now I'm not sure we'll win another game).

Time very soon to start McCown and play Parsons just to see what we have. I think Blake is taking far too much blame here but that's what you get as the starting QB in the NFL and he's been around long enough to know that and deal with it.
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
sully will be gone along with everyone else....

I am guessing we will suprise to the upside on the coach we get in here...just a guess. I think we are done fooling around...it may not be a top guy who has been a head coach in the NFL before - but I think we will at least get an up and coming coordinator who has a track record of success...just my opinion...


I agree.

Hmmm... theres going to be a new sheriff in town! Very exciting!!

I wonder who it will be?
 
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blake gets my disappointment of the year..he has morphed into what Jake Plummer was for the Cardinals...inaccurate, not reading defenses very well, etc.

I do not know what happened to Jeff Blake. I have tape on him from past seasons..I was physched - he looked good...he seemed to be alot of things jake was not. Now jeff looks fundamentally unsound...
 
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If Jurecki is right, then I'm sure that they told Mac that the "gig was up". This is not something that you let hit the newswires without having given the incumbent the professional courtesy of a private discussion first.

Looking at the rather passive demeanor on Mac all day yesterday would lend credence to this story line. But if this is the case, he should go now...... you don't keep someone around that you've already decided to let go.......it serves no healthy purpose.
 

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I do not know what happened to Jeff Blake.
It is said about great coaches - "They'll beat you with their team, and then switch teams and beat you with yours."

The opposite is true also.

Jeff Blake did well under different coaches (including Brian Billick - who was QB-Friendly at Minnesota before becoming head coach for the Ravens).

Jake Plummer suddenly has All World numbers playing under the tutilege of QB-guru Mike Shanahan.

Neither played nearly as well for the Cardinals. Let's see. Who coached QB's for the Cardinals while Jake and Blake were here? Geep Chryst (who formerly coached TE's?)

I really believe a QB needs someone who really understands the position to stay in his face with regard to mechanics, proper reads etc. etc.

The Cards have traditionally tried to get by in the QB Coaching Dept. "on the cheap." (The last really good QB-friendly coach we've had was Jim Fassell during the Boomer years).

Just compare how crisply the Browns (an equally young team) executed a more complex offense (complete with flea-flickers and Northcutt running inside reverses and shovels) with our stodgier offense featuring plays which take an eternity to develop.

It begs the questions - How does their playbook differ from our playbook? What do they do practicing the execution of their plays that we don't do?
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
I do not know what happened to Jeff Blake.
It is said about great coaches - "They'll beat you with their team, and then switch teams and beat you with yours."

The opposite is true also.



Just compare how crisply the Browns (an equally young team) executed a more complex offense (complete with flea-flickers and Northcutt running inside reverses and shovels) with our stodgier offense featuring plays which take an eternity to develop.

It begs the questions - How does their playbook differ from our playbook? What do they do practicing the execution of their plays that we don't do?

Really. How good did the Browns play calling look compared to ours?

That shovel pass call on the goal line was great.
 
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surprise surprise...guess who called in...thou who shall not be named...some things never change..

He said only 5 guys on our roster would start elsewhere...usual B.S...
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
blake gets my disappointment of the year..he has morphed into what Jake Plummer was for the Cardinals...inaccurate, not reading defenses very well, etc.

I do not know what happened to Jeff Blake. I have tape on him from past seasons..I was physched - he looked good...he seemed to be alot of things jake was not. Now jeff looks fundamentally unsound...

Jeez pinnacle, you took the words right out of my mouth. I was probably one of the earliest and stringest "Get Blake" guys and quite frankly I am wondering if I misread him or did I completely misread how he would fit into the team.

Russ pointed out the absolute lack or WRs on the team as a problem but I am questioning Blakes decision making as well. I just don't know. Early returns are, I was completely wrong in my assessment of Blake and his impact in AZ.
 

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This may be a dumb question but here goes,are the coaches salaries calculated into the salary cap?

:stupid:

No, a coach's salary is considered overhead, and not counted toeards the cap. We will have to pick up the tab for any remaining years in their contracts though. :)
 
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azcb34..I was also screaming for jeff blake...but in defense of our decision - there was not much out there.. When the fake kordell stewart rumor was out there (that we were going to sign him) - I went nuts - I thought he would be the worst choice...and he was. The bears are actually competitive now that chandler is the QB... griese would not have worked here..kordell sucks....not much to choose from.

what I want is simple:

1. someone who can read defenses.
2. someone who can look off receivers and not show from the snap who they are throwing to.
3.someone who can make accurate short passes and not get our receivers killed.
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle

1. someone who can read defenses.
2. someone who can look off receivers and not show from the snap who they are throwing to.
3.someone who can make accurate short passes and not get our receivers killed.

Blake is not a great QB, his season to date is just about what he did last year in Baltimore which people seemed to think was good.

Considering what he has to throw to and how poor the offensive playcalling is I'm not surprised he hasn't flourished. I figured we'd be more competitive and I expected less turnovers(the fumbles are troubling to me many have been without him being touched) but overall this isn't just Blake's fault. He's not going to complete 60% of his throws that has been the case his whole career. The problem we've had is we have no deep threats for him to throw to so he's had to keep the ball underneath and that's led to more picks, less big plays and a QB looking worse than he really is.

Anybody expecting Blake to be a great QB was just being overly optimistic, he's good QB put in a very bad position this year.
 
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russ...I did not expect great..but decent would have been ok..when guys are open - he seems to have poor accuracy on short stuff.

I think blakes #'s are not the true story..seems from watching that alot of his yardage and TDs come late after the game is out of reach..pittsburgh was technically a very good game for blake - but most of it came after it was too late.....kind of like Jakes #'s. But...I think if Jake was here - it would be worse.. I do not think jake could have beat the packers...he would have been a deer in the headlights..
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
Blake is not a great QB, his season to date is just about what he did last year in Baltimore which people seemed to think was good.

Considering what he has to throw to and how poor the offensive playcalling is I'm not surprised he hasn't flourished. I figured we'd be more competitive and I expected less turnovers(the fumbles are troubling to me many have been without him being touched) but overall this isn't just Blake's fault. He's not going to complete 60% of his throws that has been the case his whole career. The problem we've had is we have no deep threats for him to throw to so he's had to keep the ball underneath and that's led to more picks, less big plays and a QB looking worse than he really is.

Anybody expecting Blake to be a great QB was just being overly optimistic, he's good QB put in a very bad position this year.

I agree with Russ. Blake is not the problem. He has no WRs to throw to and a OL that is under performing.

The coaching staff goes except for Sully who goes back to coaching WRs.
 

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Really. How good did the Browns play calling look compared to ours?...That shovel pass call on the goal line was great
That too, CW.

To add to your point - in a similar situation, would our coaches have confidence that, if they called that same play, our guys could execute it?
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
azcb34..I was also screaming for jeff blake...but in defense of our decision - there was not much out there.. When the fake kordell stewart rumor was out there (that we were going to sign him) - I went nuts - I thought he would be the worst choice...and he was. The bears are actually competitive now that chandler is the QB... griese would not have worked here..kordell sucks....not much to choose from.

what I want is simple:

1. someone who can read defenses.
2. someone who can look off receivers and not show from the snap who they are throwing to.
3.someone who can make accurate short passes and not get our receivers killed.

In short: THE NEW AND IMPROVED JAKE the Snake PLUMMER..:D
 

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Originally posted by RedStorm
I agree with Russ. Blake is not the problem. He has no WRs to throw to and a OL that is under performing.

The coaching staff goes except for Sully who goes back to coaching WRs.

Your kidding yourself, if you think SULLY will take the demotion and stay in Arizona. He'll be teaching wideouts their trade somewhere else... (Think: "Ego")
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
russ...I did not expect great..but decent would have been ok..when guys are open - he seems to have poor accuracy on short stuff.

I think blakes #'s are not the true story..seems from watching that alot of his yardage and TDs come late after the game is out of reach..pittsburgh was technically a very good game for blake - but most of it came after it was too late.....kind of like Jakes #'s. But...I think if Jake was here - it would be worse.. I do not think jake could have beat the packers...he would have been a deer in the headlights..

5 Td's first half, 6 second half(of games) higher YPA and more yards 2nd half for sure. The Steeler game kind of skews it thought he had what 200+ yards in the last quarter and a half of that game? Otherwise for the year it's about 50/50 first and second half.

He certainly hasn't played great, but remember in the preseason people here were saying Blake struggles on shorter passes he's not real accurate and becuase he's short, he has some trouble on those throws(forget who posted that may have been Buckeye).

I expected better play from him too the picks and fumbles have surprised me but given what he has to work with I can't say I'm stunned at what he's done. I expected to be 5-5 at this point in the season so I am disappointed too.

My biggest disappointment has been Sully, such a promising start but he just hasn't been able to adjust once the league figured out what he wanted to do with Blake(the moving pocket right) and Anquan(over the middle).
 
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in my opinion...jerry sullivan has one foot out the door already...he will want to go somewhere else and do what he knows - teaching receivers...

keep in mind...he would not be our receiver coach here - he was going to be on parcells staff in dallas. he stayed after mac talked him into it - and it was a promotion.

If they have any spare time on their hands - I would guess that all of the assistant coaches are updating their resumes....I am not that familiar with all of our coaches - but at best we would only want to retain the guys we just hired last season (guys that are new to the staff)..at best....If tolbert (who is in his 1st season here) was the guy that said "you have to draft this Boldin guy" and helped in his development..he may be the kind of guy the new staff retains - but there will not be many..
 
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