Jurecki on D-Line

[Wild Card]

In this afternoon's 5:45 segment on KDUS, Mike Jurecki was talking about possible changes to the d-line with KVB out. Said that the coaches want to "get the four best players on the field," and that might mean starting Marcus Bell at DT and moving Wendell Bryant to DE. MJ said that, in his opinion, Bell has largely outplayed both Bryant and Davis through camp and the preseason, and that the coaches like Bell's ability to penetrate and get pressure up the middle.

Any thoughts?

WC

 

[Shane]

Not sure about Bryant at DE I would rather have King at DE instead of wakefield and keep Bell and Bryant as DTs and Pace at the other DE spot!

Now thats an athletic line!

 

[Assface]

Why is Davis even starting ahead of Bell? I agree it should be King/Bryant/Bell/Pace.

 

[ajcardfan]

I believe they would put Bryant in at DE on run downs, and maybe slide him back inside and put King at DE is pass situations. King has rushed from DE, as well as DT, in both preseason games. Not to mention that Bryant has been practicing at and learning both DE and DT positions. This report is not surprising.

 

[justAndy]

i believe....

... that the coaches are around the players and know a lot more than us fans do. Some of us seem to think we're the coach....

 

[HoodieBets]

I love moving bryant to DE. Thats what i said right after KVB went down.

 

[BIGDADDY_REDBIRD]

It's been my personal opinion since Bell's rookie year that he was the best D lineman on the team. I told him that verbatim at training camp last year & at the scrimmage this year. I'm glad he's finally putting it all together. His quickness off the ball & his ability to get leverage against taller o-linemen will key his success in our new Over-due 1 gap scheme. It amazes me that he has'nt been a starter up to this point.

 

[justAndy]

I like Bell

... he signed my jersey. Dude doesn't LOOK all that big, but he is all muscle...

 

[kerouac9]

Don't move Bryant to DE. That's a horrible idea. He wants to be a DT. That's what you drafted him to be, that's what he wants to be. He wants to be a complete player at that position, and I don't think that he's been multi-tasking at training camp (I never read it in any camp reports).

Mac and Marmie are going to kill this team if they won't let players settle into their positions.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Don't move Bryant to DE. That's a horrible idea. He wants to be a DT. That's what you drafted him to be, that's what he wants to be. He wants to be a complete player at that position, and I don't think that he's been multi-tasking at training camp (I never read it in any camp reports).

Mac and Marmie are going to kill this team if they won't let players settle into their positions.

Bryant has played some DE at camp.

 

[SECTION 11]

Bryant, Keith Traylor, Bell, Pace.
That'd work just fine.

Other than that, I'd leave Bryant at DT I think.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Wild Card
In this afternoon's 5:45 segment on KDUS, Mike Jurecki was talking about possible changes to the d-line with KVB out. Said that the coaches want to "get the four best players on the field," and that might mean starting Marcus Bell at DT and moving Wendell Bryant to DE. MJ said that, in his opinion, Bell has largely outplayed both Bryant and Davis through camp and the preseason, and that the coaches like Bell's ability to penetrate and get pressure up the middle.

Any thoughts?

WC

If he can play put him in there!

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Bryant, Keith Traylor, Bell, Pace.
That'd work just fine.

I would love to get Traylor. But rumor has it that Washington is working out a trade for Traylor sending an RB to Chicago.

 

[JeffGollin]

There are 2 points of view regarding injury replacements:

1. Shift your players around to put the best players on the field.

2. Don't shift your players - just move the backup up one spot.

I agree with #2. When you start moving guys around, you wind up with players having to learn new positions and become comfortable with new guys on their left and their right. In our scheme, unit cohesion is as important as individual talent.

We're just getting Wendell Bryant to the point where he understands the game from the LDT position. Let's stop jerking him around. (That's how potential superstars get turned into journeymen players).

Both Wakefield and King are comfortable playing LDE in the base defense and moving inside on passing downs. Let them step up into the starting LDE position and let Pace and DJ handle RDE with Moore as possible backup at either DE position.

 

[Skkorpion]

I'm hesitant to start this notion bouncing around the board but after watching camp and the Dallas game, I'm slowly forming the opinion that Wendell Bryant may be a total bust.

He's got the talent. He may not have the necessary drive and attitude.

 

[CardLogic]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Don't move Bryant to DE. That's a horrible idea. He wants to be a DT. That's what you drafted him to be, that's what he wants to be. He wants to be a complete player at that position, and I don't think that he's been multi-tasking at training camp (I never read it in any camp reports).

Mac and Marmie are going to kill this team if they won't let players settle into their positions.

Your best post ever kerouac!

 

[conraddobler]

How bout we play everyone where they play and sit over priced under producing 2nd year players right down on the bench to think about what they have done.

I'd let Wendell rot while Bell keeps making plays and start Bell Tanner/Davis King and Pace...

Screw it just field whoever gets to the damn ball!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rivercard]

In camp they talked about a rotating line so they will all get their chance to shine.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'd let Wendell rot while Bell keeps making plays
Most of the camp commentary I read said that Wendell was "dominating his man" in the drills. What's happened during the past week? Did he look that bad vs. SD?

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I'd let Wendell rot while Bell keeps making plays
Most of the camp commentary I read said that Wendell was "dominating his man" in the drills. What's happened during the past week? Did he look that bad vs. SD?

I dunno what all the hub bub is Jeff me and many others have stated that wendell has looked great overall. He had a good Dallas game as well!

I think he'll be just fine!

 

[Goldfield]

From watching Preseason, my guess at what the starting DL should be is:

King Bryant Bell Pace


Bring Wakefield in at DT for pass situations.



But then again, I dont see these guys everyday so what do I know.

 

[cardzfan]

Bryant would not do well on passing downs at DE in a 4-3. He is too big. No matter what the salaries or experience of the players, you have to put the best performers out there. Marcus Bell is doing great. Alot of that might have to do with Bryant drawing attention. Moving Bryant might affect Bells performance. IF we go to a 3-4 alignment then Bryants size would suit him as an end.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Bryant looked good against Dallas but terrible against SD. He was getting blown off the ball routinly. Having said that, everyone on the d-line looked bad against SD.

I like King/Bryant/Bell/Pace but then you are starting two rookies on the d-line. At some point they have to understand the game and not rely on their athelticism, and good Guards and Tckles will take advantage of going up against rookies....

But whats our other choice? Wakefield? UUUUGHGGGGHGHGHH

 

[JeffGollin]

I like King/Bryant/Bell/Pace but then you are starting two rookies on the d-line.
This morning, Mac indicated that for now we can expect to see a base front that includes: Wakefield at LDE and Pace at RDE.

On passing down 4 lineman sets, he indicated that Wakefield would be moved inside to DT.

I'd be inclined to assume, therefore, that our starting base DL would consist of Wakefield, Bryant, [Davis/Tanner/Bell] and Pace.

And that on passing downs our starting 4-man DL scheme would be King, Wakefield, Bryant and Pace. I'm not sure whether or not Wakefield and Bryant might be flipflopped (i.e. with Wakefield playing RDT and Bryant LDT).

Mac also mentioned that the one-gap defense does have its vulnerabilities and that SD did stuff that opened up the running game for them in the 1Q. Mac seemed to suggest that adjustments could and would be made and that the Cards would have "answers" for this in the future. So maybe it wasn't entirely Wendell's fault - it may have been inherent in the scheme.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I like King/Bryant/Bell/Pace but then you are starting two rookies on the d-line.
This morning, Mac indicated that for now we can expect to see a base front that includes: Wakefield at LDE and Pace at RDE.

On passing down 4 lineman sets, he indicated that Wakefield would be moved inside to DT.

I'd be inclined to assume, therefore, that our starting base DL would consist of Wakefield, Bryant, [Davis/Tanner/Bell] and Pace.

And that on passing downs our starting 4-man DL scheme would be King, Wakefield, Bryant and Pace. I'm not sure whether or not Wakefield and Bryant might be flipflopped (i.e. with Wakefield playing RDT and Bryant LDT).

Mac also mentioned that the one-gap defense does have its vulnerabilities and that SD did stuff that opened up the running game for them in the 1Q. Mac seemed to suggest that adjustments could and would be made and that the Cards would have "answers" for this in the future. So maybe it wasn't entirely Wendell's fault - it may have been inherent in the scheme.

Excellent post, Jeff. Unfortunately, that makes it seem like Wakefield will be on the field for about 80% of the defensive snaps, and that makes my stomach churn. Hopefully we'll be moving a lot of players in and out (I assume we will, since no one on that line is good enough to warrant leaving out there for more than five or eight snaps in a row), so while no one on the line will be dominating, or even very good, they'll at least all be fresh.