Just a Quick Thought

[Harry]

One more point on the roster. Clearly the new coaching staff thinks the old staff did not do a good job of player development. On both offense & defense they’ve kept players the old staff never got to a productive level. If they make real players out of them that’s quite a statement.

 

[SeattleCard]

Curious Harry to see a couple of names you think fit that mold...

Always glad to see you post!

 

[GatorAZ]

One more point on the roster. Clearly the new coaching staff thinks the old staff did not do a good job of player development. On both offense & defense they’ve kept players the old staff never got to a productive level. If they make real players out of them that’s quite a statement.

Well BA’s staff was old as dirt.

 

[Finito]

One more point on the roster. Clearly the new coaching staff thinks the old staff did not do a good job of player development. On both offense & defense they’ve kept players the old staff never got to a productive level. If they make real players out of them that’s quite a statement.

Your reading to much into nothing.

This happens every single time there is a change in any organization.

Hell Gruden just got rid of Khalil Mack

 

[Jasper]

The front office decided to go in a different direction rather than sticking with Bettcher or Goodwin shows they got tired of the same old.

 

[Cardiac]

Your reading to much into nothing.

This happens every single time there is a change in any organization.

Hell Gruden just got rid of Khalil Mack

Not sure you really read Harry's post.

 

[Finito]

Not sure you really read Harry's post.

Oh I read it.

 

[Cardiac]

Oh I read it.

Harry is saying that the Wilks kept players that aren't really producing because he believes they can coach them up. Your post seemed to imply that Wilks was getting rid of Arians players. Quite different IMO.

 

[Arz101]

I don't agree with Harry completely. How many players went on to have better careers once they were released from Cardinals in the past 5 years? I think it is a drafting issue more than coaching up. If this coaching staff also cannot get them to produce, you know the source of problem.

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[Finito]

Harry is saying that the Wilks kept players that aren't really producing because he believes they can coach them up. Your post seemed to imply that Wilks was getting rid of Arians players. Quite different IMO.

My post was saying different coaching staffs view players different. What's the big news?

That's obvious

 

[82CardsGrad]

Harry is saying that the Wilks kept players that aren't really producing because he believes they can coach them up. Your post seemed to imply that Wilks was getting rid of Arians players. Quite different IMO.

What players did Wills keep that aren’t producing, and, whoever those players are, were they kept because Wilks believes he can coach them up, or, because there were no better options?

 

[kerouac9]

What players did Wills keep that aren’t producing, and, whoever those players are, were they kept because Wilks believes he can coach them up, or, because there were no better options?

I’m assuming he means Brandon Williams and Nkemdiche and JJ Nelson and Chad Williams. I don’t know how he dismisses Boehm and Holden, tho.

I actually think that KEIM feels like some of these very talented physical specimens were poorly served by the previous regime and are willing to give them another shot.

 

[AZCrazy]

How many players went on to have better careers once they were released from Cardinals ? I think it is a drafting issue more than coaching up. If this coaching staff also cannot get them to produce, you know the source of problem.

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All of them, until recently. If it wasn't Hearst it was Novocek. If it wasn't Davis it was Jones. Etc.

 

[cardncubfan]

I don't agree with Harry completely. How many players went on to have better careers once they were released from Cardinals in the past 5 years? I think it is a drafting issue more than coaching up. If this coaching staff also cannot get them to produce, you know the source of problem.

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Who was released in the last 5 years that had better careers?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Oh I read it.

Then you didn’t understand it

 

[Chopper0080]

I will double down on K9's comment and state that I believe that Keim made this request of Wilks. Nkemdiche, Chad Williams, Deone Bucannon, Haason Reddick, and Brandon Williams were all given the "give'em a chance" backing from Keim to Wilks. Wilks in turn is giving them every opportunity to fail. Deone is starting, but without a contract for next year. Nkemdiche is starting over Pierre even though IMO Pierre has shown more. Chad Williams is starting though his competition was low. Reddick played a ton in the preseason to get past the "he needs reps to develop" excuse. Brandon Williams was kept for his special teams skills but has looked lost in practices per reports.

How Humphries is handled next offseason will tell you everything you need to know about the staff's feelings towards him.

 

[jf-08]

I will double down on K9's comment and state that I believe that Keim made this request of Wilks. Nkemdiche, Chad Williams, Deone Bucannon, Haason Reddick, and Brandon Williams were all given the "give'em a chance" backing from Keim to Wilks. Wilks in turn is giving them every opportunity to fail. Deone is starting, but without a contract for next year. Nkemdiche is starting over Pierre even though IMO Pierre has shown more. Chad Williams is starting though his competition was low. Reddick played a ton in the preseason to get past the "he needs reps to develop" excuse. Brandon Williams was kept for his special teams skills but has looked lost in practices per reports.

How Humphries is handled next offseason will tell you everything you need to know about the staff's feelings towards him.

You sound skeptical.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Nkemdiche is the one player who I felt would benefit the most with this regime change. I thought the move to his more natural 3-Technique position on the DL would really allow him to shine.

Unfortunately I haven't seen much from him during the preseason. When he was on the field he was getting handled easily by a single Offensive lineman. He is currently listed as the starter but I have to wonder how long he can hold on to the starting spot. I think he is going to be a liability with the Cardinals run defense. Time will tell.

 

[Arz101]

Who was released in the last 5 years that had better careers?

I was indicating no one had good careers after leaving Cardinals to a different coaching staff.

 

[Chopper0080]

You sound skeptical.

Not really skeptical. This is what you want out of your coach and GM. Keim advocated for his picks and Wilks is putting them in a position to show their worth. What may end up happening is that Wilks will earn more of a say on roster decisions if these guys fall flat on their faces.

I can't say that I have ever liked Deone as a LB. I did like the idea of Deone as a SS out of college. I know they aren't going to pay him another 8 mil per season moving forward. He is going to have to show much better in coverage this year if he wants to stick around. He has a place in this league but I don't believe he will ever be an instinctual LB.

Reddick looks lost. If you are starting Josh Bynes in nickel over a combine freak athlete LB like Reddick, it is because the freak can't figure it out. Again, I didn't like the pick then, and it looks worse and worse every game. Maybe he gets it, but he is the most likely to be flat out cut next year.

Nkemdiche plays a premium position so I don't think Wilks will just cut him loose. Wilks likes a DL rotation, and Nkemdiche can be a 32% snap guy until his contract runs out if he doesn't become more consistent.

Brandon Williams will either flash on special teams or be gone because I haven't seen him as a decent CB. He is an athlete which is good. He has speed which can help him stick. No one is counting on him which helps IMO.

Chad Williams was a weird situation last year. He started off poorly and never recovered. That being said, he is a physical WR with RAC ability. That has a ton of value in a McCoy offense which is why I am not shocked he is starting on the depth chart.

I am optimistic about Humphries, but I figure I will know about week 10 if he will be around next year.

If I had more time, I would break down the entire 53.

Here is what I like.

Josh Rosen
David Johnson
Chase Edmunds
Larry Fitzgerald
Chad Williams
Mason Cole
Chandler Jones
Olson Pierre
Corey Peters
Budda Baker
Antoine Bethea
Patrick Peterson

 

[kerouac9]

Here is what I like.

Josh Rosen
David Johnson
Chase Edmunds
Larry Fitzgerald
Chad Williams
Mason Cole
Chandler Jones
Olson Pierre
Corey Peters
Budda Baker
Antoine Bethea
Patrick Peterson

I'd add Bene Benwikere to that list, as well. And I still like Mike Iupati.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'd add Bene Benwikere to that list, as well. And I still like Mike Iupati.

Plus it is just awesome to say Bene Benwikere!

 

[82CardsGrad]

I’m assuming he means Brandon Williams and Nkemdiche and JJ Nelson and Chad Williams. I don’t know how he dismisses Boehm and Holden, tho.

I actually think that KEIM feels like some of these very talented physical specimens were poorly served by the previous regime and are willing to give them another shot.

But I’m curious as to who would’ve warranted these players being cut loose? It seems that some feel that Wilks kept some dudes that should’ve been cut loose... If the players you listed are the ones in question, who should’ve taken their place on the 53 man??

 

[kerouac9]

But I’m curious as to who would’ve warranted these players being cut loose? It seems that some feel that Wilks kept some dudes that should’ve been cut loose... If the players you listed are the ones in question, who should’ve taken their place on the 53 man??

I think you plan to replace them in the offseason. Going only to July to start asking "Where are the options???" doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I'm not going to quibble much with Brandon Williams. It'll feel good to get him off the roster, but he's the 4th CB and maybe the 6th DB up in most situations. Those guys are replaceable — it seems very late when we brought Benwikere on board.

WRs were a little less easy to come by this offseason, but that's why I'm not a paid professional scout and personnel man.

 

[JeffGollin]

My post was saying different coaching staffs view players different. What's the big news?

That's obvious

Probably just me but I think BA went more with explosive players; Wilks is going more with bigger, more physical types.

Strategies: BA = More big plays. Wilks = Steadier/more consistency.