Just think what eliminating the Vikings has cost us

[CardShark]

If we had lost that game, not only would we have picked up those picks for last years draft but this year we would be sitting at 8 and 12. I really enjoyed it when the Cards eliminated them, but we really could have solidified this team as a contender with all of the picks we would have had this year and last. Especially with the difference Green has made in the draft room.

Our record might have been better if Green had more picks in last years draft, so we might not be sitting at #8. I doubt it though.

 

[CardinalLaw]

Who's pick would we have. The Giants, I don't understand.

 

[Shane]

I really dont understand your logic here? How exactly would we have the 8 and 12 this year?

Always take the win. You never know how the draft will fall!

 

[CardShark]

#12 would be from the Giants.

 

[vinnymac]

we wouldn't have lost anything. anybody who think losing is gaining needs their head examine.

 

[Shane]

#12 would be from the Giants.

Why exactly would we have the 12 pick as well?

 

[CardShark]

I really dont understand your logic here? How exactly would we have the 8 and 12 this year?

Always take the win. You never know how the draft will fall!

We knew that we were gauranteed the #1 overall pick going into that game if we lost. With the celebrated caliber of Qb's in that draft we could count on someone like the Giants moving to get one. The #1 spot opened up alot of trade opportunities. Green wanted Fitz no matter what, so he would have traded down to pick up additional picks.

 

[CardinalLaw]

I thought Eli said he didn't want to play for San Diego. I thought Archie said he would play for any of the 31 other teams. And then we might not have Fitz, Dockett, or Dansby.

 

[Shane]

We knew that we were gauranteed the #1 overall pick going into that game if we lost. With the celebrated caliber of Qb's in that draft we could count on someone like the Giants moving to get one. The #1 spot opened up alot of trade opportunities. Green wanted Fitz no matter what, so he would have traded down to pick up additional picks.

Thats some pretty big assumption. Maybe Green would have wanted Manning if he was sitting #1. No real way to know for sure. You are simply speculating.

 

[CardShark]

we wouldn't have lost anything. anybody who think losing is gaining needs their head examine.

What did we win other than our fourth game out of 16? As I said it felt good but it didn't do a thing for the future. We were still lauded for having a terrible season with a terrible team under a terrible coaching staff under the watchful eyes of an administration that had no real clue as to how to right the ship. If you don't see the value of picking up additional picks with a new coach coming on board, a new stadium and a new direction then then you might want to have your coconut checked.

 

[Shane]

What did we win other than our fourth game out of 16? As I said it felt good but it didn't do a thing for the future. We were still lauded for having a terrible season with a terrible team under a terrible coaching staff under the watchful eyes of an administration that had no real clue as to how to right the ship. If you don't see the value of picking up additional picks with a new coach coming on board, a new stadium and a new direction then then you might want to have your coconut checked.

Sorry I agree with Vinny(just not as harshly) You just dont tank any games. Wether it be for draft position or whatever the reason. We are in good position already. All the rest is purely speculative.

 

[CardShark]

Thats some pretty big assumption. Maybe Green would have wanted Manning if he was sitting #1. No real way to know for sure. You are simply speculating.

It's no assumption. Green stated from day 1 that he wanted Fitz and that he would be perfectly satisfied with going into the season with Josh at Qb.

 

[Shane]

It's no assumption. Green stated from day 1 that he wanted Fitz and that he would be perfectly satisfied with going into the season with Josh at Qb.

Yes that is still assumption. Just because he wanted Fitz all along while sitting #3 doesnt mean he would have if he was sitting #1. Your reaching.

 

[CardShark]

I'm not saying to tank the game, just to look at it in retrospect.

 

[CardShark]

I believe he was being absolutely honest. He wanted Fitz no matter what. Maybe because he knew him so well already.

 

[Shane]

I believe he was being absolutely honest. He wanted Fitz no matter what. Maybe because he knew him so well already.

I believe him to be honest too. He honestly wanted him at the slot we were at.

 

[CardinalLaw]

OK so if we trade down to #4 then someone takes him with the 3rd still. Or a negative effect we take him #1 overall and pay him more money.

 

[vinnymac]

the only way you build a winning team is by winning. remeber how you felt going into the offseason after that win. most everyone thought that mccown was the second of jim hart. well at least i did. you just knew that the cardinals were going to start to winning big. that started from the winning the minnesota game. same thing happen this past season. the cardinals were competing all season long. they end one of the longest road losing streak by coming back againist dolphins. the cardinals had a winning home record. now look at all the positive attitudes on this board. it all started by winning games. not shanking them. now get with the program.

 

[CardShark]

Wiining that game on the final play was a placebo. It had no lasting impact on the perception of the team. The positives from that season and after was the discovery of Boldin. the hiring of Green and the players landed in that draft. If the Cards had more picks just in that draft, think of the talent Green would have had in addition to what he ended up with.

You can't look at the trade the Chargers made with the Giants and say they didn't clean their clock.

 

[Cheesebeef]

the only way you build a winning team is by winning. remeber how you felt going into the offseason after that win. most everyone thought that mccown was the second of jim hart. well at least i did. you just knew that the cardinals were going to start to winning big. that started from the winning the minnesota game.

wha? Everyone thought McCown was the second of Jim Hart? Wha?

And the "winning" started with that Minny game - funny - because the entire coaching staff and the heart and soul from that team was either CUT or on the bench this season as we DID start winning.

That game was meaningless. Nothing changed and nothing was gonna change until one thing - DG agreed to coach us - that was the day the Cardinals started winning.

 

[CardShark]

I never once thought of Josh being in that caliber. He made a good throw to a receiver who made a great catch. It was one play. It just happened to win the game and eliminate the Vikings. If that same play was made only to come up 1 inch short of goal, how would you look at it then? You would have been with everyone else saying we are in the catbirds seat with the #1 pick in the draft, able to do whatever we wanted to. Then if we made essentially the same trade to the Giants that the Chargers did, you would be salivating at all of the talent we were able to bring in through the draft.

Couple that with the hiring of Green and watch out.

Now I like Josh, he's just not great.

 

[Derm]

OK, now I get it...

Let's just forfeit the entire 2005 season so we can get first choice in next year's draft.

Whatta nutz? Give it a rest, dude but I don't want you on my team if you're going to pull the plug on a game for draft position on potential talent.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

wha? Everyone thought McCown was the second of Jim Hart? Wha?

I believe it was you who proclaimed Josh as "the answer."

 

[BigRedFan]

It will still go down as one of the great Cardinal moments (which have been few in number). Who will forget the call by the Minnesota announcer. The past is the past and we have plenty of good picks to work with in this draft.

Wiining that game on the final play was a placebo. It had no lasting impact on the perception of the team. The positives from that season and after was the discovery of Boldin. the hiring of Green and the players landed in that draft. If the Cards had more picks just in that draft, think of the talent Green would have had in addition to what he ended up with.

You can't look at the trade the Chargers made with the Giants and say they didn't clean their clock.

 

[CardLogic]

What's the point of dredging this up again???

It was a fun win and knocked the stupid Vikings out of the playoffs! Nothing more, nothing less.

What if, what if, what if... I could just as easily say what if the Cardinals would have beaten the 49er's twice and also the Rams in St.Louis (if Darling's int and runback would have stood, also one single play that would have turned a game)....

Didn't happen that way and we are now in 2005 with an up and coming team...

Live in the present.