KC Star: Deal in Place to Trade Alex Smith to Washington

[Stout]

AWWW Stout----just when I thought I was out, you pulled me back in again. LOL.

I see you didn't bother to reveal how many draft choices you are willing to gamble nor did you reveal which QB you want in the draft.

I never said Smith was elite---whatever elite really means. I also don't think a QB has to be the guy who can carry a team on his back---those type of players are so rare and are seldom available by draft or trade. I want to compete, make the playoffs, take my chances with the entire team focused on winning the next couple of games and the trophy. I don't want to watch a QB merry-go-around and a team with no talent infusion because we traded away our drafts.

If you think you have a better chance than Smith by trading away several future drafts, I have a Castaway Island in the South Pacific to sell you---be sure you take your volleyball to toss around with Revis.

LOL Glad I could help. No, i didn't say how many picks I'd be willing to give up, nor did I reveal which QB I want. I didn't say, because I don't know. I don't follow college football much, and I don't know what the team is looking for. I also don't know what other teams are doing/saying behind the scenes. This is on the FO, not me, thank goodness. I can just sit back and snipe

 

[Ronin]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account@RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
The #Redskins now have QB Alex Smith under contract for 5 years for $111M. Of that, $71M is guaranteed for injury — basically three seasons. At that point, he’ll be 36.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Smith < Cousins

ftfy.

 

[Southpaw]

Charles Robinson‏Verified account@CharlesRobinson 6m6 minutes ago
#Redskins true balance sheet after this trade:

Add:
QB Alex Smith
3rd round compensatory pick (gained in 2019 after Cousins signs elsewhere)
$5-$7 mil in cap space per year (estimated) for 3 years

Lost:
QB Kirk Cousins
CB Kendall Fuller
3rd round pick (78th overall) in 2018

Charles Robinson‏Verified account@CharlesRobinson 6m6 minutes ago
#Redskins true balance sheet after this trade:

Add:
QB Alex Smith
3rd round compensatory pick (gained in 2019 after Cousins signs elsewhere)
$5-$7 mil in cap space per year (estimated) for 3 years

Lost:
QB Kirk Cousins
CB Kendall Fuller
3rd round pick (78th overall) in 2018

So essentially it was Smith for Fuller who might be the other side of Marcus Peters at corner and Reid bought himself a few more years with Mahomes experiment.

ftfy.

Pfft. Cousins has stats without wins.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

This thread is so Suns fans when D'Antoni left. Let's tank and get a top pick and everything will be wonderful. What's the point of always being top 3 and never winning.

It's hilarious. Put me solidly in the "Happy to be 10-6 and in the playoffs every year" group

 

[Cheesebeef]

This thread is so Suns fans when D'Antoni left. Let's tank and get a top pick and everything will be wonderful. What's the point of always being top 3 and never winning.

It's hilarious. Put me solidly in the "Happy to be 10-6 and in the playoffs every year" group

you do realize we've only been in the playoffs twice in the last 8 years, right?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This thread is so Suns fans when D'Antoni left. Let's tank and get a top pick and everything will be wonderful. What's the point of always being top 3 and never winning.

It's hilarious. Put me solidly in the "Happy to be 10-6 and in the playoffs every year" group

Move over, I want a seat on that wagon.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

you do realize we've only been in the playoffs twice in the last 8 years, right?

He is probably not happy then.

I know all about the process in Arizona, doesn't sound like it has amounted to much winning.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

you do realize we've only been in the playoffs twice in the last 8 years, right?

Yes I do. I also realize it took 10 years of 5-11 to make it one year.

The goal should always be "Make the playoffs".

Every move should be towards being one of the 6 teams having a shot at the Superbowl. Every move.

I just will not agree with the crowd of "Oh we only finished 8-8 if only we sucked more"

 

[TJ]

This thread is so Suns fans when D'Antoni left. Let's tank and get a top pick and everything will be wonderful. What's the point of always being top 3 and never winning.

It's hilarious. Put me solidly in the "Happy to be 10-6 and in the playoffs every year" group

Yes, and there’s a huge difference between the NFL and NBA in terms of rebuilding/retooling rosters. In the NBA, it takes several years for a team to go from cellar dwellers to contenders. See how long it took after picking up Curry for Golden State to become relevant. In the NFL, a team can go from 4 wins to 12 in one season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes I do. I also realize it took 10 years of 5-11 to make it one year.

The goal should always be "Make the playoffs".

Every move should be towards being one of the 6 teams having a shot at the Superbowl. Every move.

I just will not agree with the crowd of "Oh we only finished 8-8 if only we sucked more"

because there's no middle ground there.

people who only see things in black and white don't see anything, IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

probably required to get him to agree to the trade... that is a lot of guaranteed money

That is why it would have been a dumb move to trade for him. It costs big money. Big draft picks. And you are old at the QB position.

 

[CardsFan88]

you do realize we've only been in the playoffs twice in the last 8 years, right?

To be fair though, we also made it 4 times in the last 10 years. Also had a year at 10-6 where the odds are high you make the playoffs.

If we did, it would be 5 out of 10 for 50 percent. Not making an argument about Smith, but 2 out of 8 is a bit of cherry picking to make an argument.

One could say though, we have used two veteran QB's to go to the playoffs 40 percent of the time in the last decade, and almost 50 percent, and one of those years we were 2 minutes from a Superbowl victory.

 

[Cheesebeef]

To be fair though, we also made it 4 times in the last 10 years. Also had a year at 10-6 where the odds are high you make the playoffs.

If we did, it would be 5 out of 10 for 50 percent. Not making an argument about Smith, but 2 out of 8 is a bit of cherry picking to make an argument.

4/10 ain’t nothing to shout about either. And yes, 10-6 can get you into the playoffs, but it didn’t.

And again, Chris said 10-6 every year. 40% success rate ain’t even close to that. Neither is 5/10.

Playoffs and 10 wins every year usually only go to certain teams. All of them with Franchise QBs at the helm.

 

[Arz101]

To be fair though, we also made it 4 times in the last 10 years. Also had a year at 10-6 where the odds are high you make the playoffs.

If we did, it would be 5 out of 10 for 50 percent. Not making an argument about Smith, but 2 out of 8 is a bit of cherry picking to make an argument.

One could say though, we have used two veteran QB's to go to the playoffs 40 percent in the last decade, and almost 50 percent.

Last 10 seasons, Cardinals rank #12 in win-loss record across all teams. In last 10 seasons, they finished .500 or better in 7 of them. Cardinals had a good run. Hope they raise up again to have better success in the next decade.

 

[CardsFan88]

4/10 ain’t nothing to shout about either. And yes, 10-6 can get you into the playoffs, but it didn’t.

And again, Chris said 10-6 every year. 40% success rate ain’t even close to that.

Of course we should strive for better, but 40 percent is nothing to sneeze about either. Not when previous to that we only had one playoff appearance in about 20 seasons here in AZ.

I take the entire situation as we went from a hideously poorly run organization to one that is competing for the playoffs most years. I want more, but I appreciate that we've gotten to this point right now.

We're at a transition from one coach, system, and QB to another. There's no guarantee we have a worse record next year then this year. I do believe we could have a quick turnaround. Or we may slide into oblivion. Big choices ahead, but we happen to need a QB in what might be the deepest QB class ever. Lots of retread QB's too.

Not much of a sure thing out there, but one of these guys could have us back in the playoffs next year.

Of course the odds are against that, but odds mean squat.

As for the Suns, I enjoyed them being competitive nearly every year for around 20 years. I wasn't one for tanking until our roster fell apart and that left us with tanking while trying. But that was all $arver and how badly his decisions screwed up the Suns.

Luckily for the Cards, we have Michael and not Robert. I don't see a Suns situation on the horizon. Michael isn't clueless. Robert is. Robert is the Suns Bill Bidwill. Michael is the Cardinals Jerry Colangelo. More or less.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Of course we should strive for better, but 40 percent is nothing to sneeze about either. Not when previous to that we only had one playoff appearance in about 20 seasons here in AZ.

I take the entire situation as we went from a hideously poorly run organization to one that is competing for the playoffs most years. I want more, but I appreciate that we've gotten to this point right now.

We're at a transition from one coach, system, and QB to another. There's no guarantee we have a worse record next year then this year. I do believe we could have a quick turnaround. Or we may slide into oblivion. Big choices ahead, but we happen to need a QB in what might be the deepest QB class ever. Lots of retread QB's too.

Not much of a sure thing out there, but one of these guys could have us back in the playoffs next year.

Of course the odds are against that, but odds mean squat.

As for the Suns, I enjoyed them being competitive nearly every year for around 20 years. I wasn't one for tanking until our roster fell apart and that left us with tanking while trying. But that was all $arver and how badly his decisions screwed up the Suns.

Luckily for the Cards, we have Michael and not Robert. I don't see a Suns situation on the horizon. Michael isn't clueless. Robert is. Robert is the Suns Bill Bidwill. Michael is the Cardinals Jerry Colangelo. More or less.

I’m with ya for the most part but do think now that the organization has risen out of the toilet, we can’t look back to compare where we are. Gotta look forward to the future and I think it’s finally time for us to make a young QB the leader of that future.

I THANK GOD we have Michael and not Sarver. I just hope the team doesn’t take a shortcut to success for another couple years over the possibility of long term success.

 

[Stout]

So essentially it was Smith for Fuller who might be the other side of Marcus Peters at corner and Reid bought himself a few more years with Mahomes experiment.

Nooo, it was Fuller and a 3rd. Just because it's the 3rd they're getting back from losing Cousins doesn't mean they're not trading it. Saying it's Cousins and Fuller for Smith is accurate.

 

[Stout]

This thread is so Suns fans when D'Antoni left. Let's tank and get a top pick and everything will be wonderful. What's the point of always being top 3 and never winning.

It's hilarious. Put me solidly in the "Happy to be 10-6 and in the playoffs every year" group

We finished 10-6 an went to the playoffs this year? And did the same thing last year? I must not have gotten the memo.

 

[Chopper0080]

Washington got fleeced

 

[Arz101]

Washington got fleeced

It happens to everyone when they trade with Andy Reid. When Andy Reid has something to sell you run like hell screaming "stranger danger" out of his sights

 

[Chris_Sanders]

We finished 10-6 an went to the playoffs this year? And did the same thing last year? I must not have gotten the memo.

There are several replies about guys not happy being 10-6.

But since you mentioned it, before Whisenhunt we had 1 season at or above 8-8....one

I just never want to go back to that. Never

 

[Cheesebeef]

There are several replies about guys not happy being 10-6.

But since you mentioned it, before Whisenhunt we had 1 season at or above 8-8....one

I just never want to go back to that. Never

does that mean you're just happy with mediocrity... or being just above average?

what's past is past... especially because the old man isn't calling the shots anymore. Continually comparing ourselves to what was the worst franchise in sports is underselling who's running the team now. I'm sure Michael expects better and measures us against the best franchises in the league... not the worst. We should too.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am very happy with a floor of 7 wins and a ceiling of 13. Anything in there means we are playing meaningful games in December

 

[GimmedaBall]

The goal of course is to win the big game. Anything less and the season can be considered a failure. In that regard, Cards have been massive failures in the SB era of profootball.

Need to break down the steps to get to the big game. The first step is to survive one's Division by either winning it outright or qualifying as a wild-card. That 10-6 (and sometimes even 8-8) usually gets you out of the division and into the playoff round.

Then a new season begins---by the time a team hits the playoffs luck has a big role in moving forward. Every team will have a roster of players on IR by the time game 17 is played. If luck is on your side, more are out on the other side than your own. Team depth shows up---see the Eagles with Foles coming off the bench. Cards weren't so lucky when Palmer and Stanton both went down and we had to start RL and put up 78 yards of offense in the biggest game in the BASK era. Playoffs are the time when those special players rise above the crowd and carries the team to the SB---see Warner taking a 9-7 team to within minutes of a win.

I'll take a playoff level team and keep the fingers crossed for that luck factor and outstanding performance to finally shine on the Cards. I want to watch a team with a legitimate chance to win each weekend. Would rather have 10 happy Sunday afternoons than 5 each season.

I don't want more seasons of trying to find salvation in a 5-11 season by celebrating a TD pass by our rookie QB that made the last game only a 21 point loss and not a 28 point loss.