KC Star: Deal in Place to Trade Alex Smith to Washington

[Cheesebeef]

I am very happy with a floor of 7 wins and a ceiling of 13. Anything in there means we are playing meaningful games in December

A floor of 7? That’s mediocre territory to me. 7-13 is Detroit Lions territory... Minnesota territory. Basically an average to above average team where if there’s a year that EVERYTHING falls your way, you have one great season.

That might be good enough for you, but I think that sucks if you want your team to play with the big boys for a decade and be a real contender.

Is it better than the horrorshpw we were from 88-07? Yes. But again, measuring the Cards against what was previously the worst franchise in the NFL is a complete defeatist mentality.

 

[Southpaw]

In the meantime the Cards do not have a QB with a contract on the roster. When and where does that ever happen? Those off season workouts and skull sessions must look like a cricket infestation. BTW, where are Gabbert and Stanton?

 

[oaken1]

In the meantime the Cards do not have a QB with a contract on the roster. When and where does that ever happen? Those off season workouts and skull sessions must look like a cricket infestation. BTW, where are Gabbert and Stanton?

The Vikings do not have a QB under contract either...it happens occasionally.

 

[GimmedaBall]

The Vikings do not have a QB under contract either...it happens occasionally.

Vikes have 1st year QB Kyle Sloter on their 53-man roster in addition to the 3 'name' guys who will hit FA on March 14. So Vikes do have a QB under contract.

 

[Southpaw]

The Vikings do not have a QB under contract either...it happens occasionally.

I was pointing out the futility of the situation. It seems to be an absurd situation to be in.

BTW, I find the Vikings situation equally absurd.

 

[oaken1]

I was pointing out the futility of the situation. It seems to be an absurd situation to be in.

BTW, I find the Vikings situation equally absurd.

I agree. One would think that if QB truly is "The most important position in team sports" then no team would risk being without one.

the way Keim has handled that situation over the past few years is disheartening. I keep telling myself they allowed BA to have final say on the roster and he was just focused on trying to get a ring before it was too late.

But then I remember, "Cardinal Decisions"...and I start tugging on my beard again...

 

[TRW]

I agree. One would think that if QB truly is "The most important position in team sports" then no team would risk being without one.

the way Keim has handled that situation over the past few years is disheartening. I keep telling myself they allowed BA to have final say on the roster and he was just focused on trying to get a ring before it was too late.

But then I remember, "Cardinal Decisions"...and I start tugging on my beard again...

It really is mind blowing that Keim & Co. got to this position. Minnesota got into their quandary when injuries took out the top 2 guys and re-upping on either one was a difficult decision. And 3rd guy was on a one year deal, that is at least a bit understandable. For the Cards they had to know CP was on his last rodeo and Stanton never was in the rodeo, yet they did squat. Just doesn't make any sense.

They have got to break the mold and get a young QBOF SOME day....right? Darnold will drop and they will grab him and he'll turn out like the last USC QB they drafted did. The circle jerk of life as a Cardinal fan. LOL

 

[oaken1]

It really is mind blowing that Keim & Co. got to this position. Minnesota got into their quandary when injuries took out the top 2 guys and re-upping on either one was a difficult decision. And 3rd guy was on a one year deal, that is at least a bit understandable. For the Cards they had to know CP was on his last rodeo and Stanton never was in the rodeo, yet they did squat. Just doesn't make any sense.

They have got to break the mold and get a young QBOF SOME day....right? Darnold will drop and they will grab him and he'll turn out like the last USC QB they drafted did. The circle jerk of life as a Cardinal fan. LOL

yeah..it suxx. I have a different opinion on Leinart then some... but it is safe to say that changing coaches when we did, didnt really help the guy out any...and injuries suck.

I like Darnold and would be thrilled if he fell to us. The kid was on Players Only last night on NFLN at the SB... he said a few things that surprised me a bit... the dude is pretty humble but his confidence is insanely high. He mentioned he studies Tom Brady...how he prepares and how he trains..."because he is the best in the game and he is the only one to ever do what he has done...so far".... those last two little words say an awful lot about what Sam Darnold expects from himself and his NFL career..... I hope he achieves it... even more so I hope its with the redbirds, lol.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I agree. One would think that if QB truly is "The most important position in team sports" then no team would risk being without one.

the way Keim has handled that situation over the past few years is disheartening. I keep telling myself they allowed BA to have final say on the roster and he was just focused on trying to get a ring before it was too late.

But then I remember, "Cardinal Decisions"...and I start tugging on my beard again...

The absurdity for the Cards is that they went into a HC search without a QB on the roster.

Also, I've been looking back via websearch on the BASK relationship. I think there are enough hints as to how we got into the 'No QB under contract' situation. I believe it is more on SK than BA.

BA was a coach who made his rep by being someone who worked with new QBs---he had some great talents to work with. If the draft decisions were up to BA, he would have been proceeding with his 'No Riskit, no Biscuit' philosophy and would have churned the draft picks until he got a QBOTF to leave with the Cards after he retired.

SK had control of the draft---believe he yielded to BA on the Logan Thomas pick and spent a 4th rounder on him. Didn't work. After that, SK stuck to his BPA approach and I don't see any relevant input from BA.

Check BA's comments before each draft---he was always in advocacy mode on a QB and making comments on how many 'live arms' there were in the draft. BA was using the media interviews to make his request known to SK. It fell on deaf ears. Also, BA had control of which players hit the playing field---look at how some of SK's 1st rounders got to sit and redshirt their first year. BA payback on passing on a QB? SK had Reddick rated higher than both Watson and Mahomes---wonder how that went over with a QB-hungry BA?

Believe it was Palmer who decided to retire and when he made his decision known to BA, BA decided it was time for the two of them to ride off into the sunset. The result was no HC and no QBOTF, and no QB on the roster.

That's my conspiracy theory to explain the current mess.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

The absurdity for the Cards is that they went into a HC search without a QB on the roster.

Also, I've been looking back via websearch on the BASK relationship. I think there are enough hints as to how we got into the 'No QB under contract' situation. I believe it is more on SK than BA.

BA was a coach who made his rep by being someone who worked with new QBs---he had some great talents to work with. If the draft decisions were up to BA, he would have been proceeding with his 'No Riskit, no Biscuit' philosophy and would have churned the draft picks until he got a QBOTF to leave with the Cards after he retired.

SK had control of the draft---believe he yielded to BA on the Logan Thomas pick and spent a 4th rounder on him. Didn't work. After that, SK stuck to his BPA approach and I don't see any relevant input from BA.

Check BA's comments before each draft---he was always in advocacy mode on a QB and making comments on how many 'live arms' there were in the draft. BA was using the media interviews to make his request known to SK. It fell on deaf ears. Also, BA had control of which players hit the playing field---look at how some of SK's 1st rounders got to sit and redshirt their first year. BA payback on passing on a QB? SK had Reddick rated higher than both Watson and Mahomes---wonder how that went over with a QB-hungry BA?

Believe it was Palmer who decided to retire and when he made his decision known to BA, BA decided it was time for the two of them to ride off into the sunset. The result was no HC and no QBOTF, and no QB on the roster.

That's my conspiracy theory to explain the current mess.

I think there is some merit to your theory.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

The absurdity for the Cards is that they went into a HC search without a QB on the roster.

Also, I've been looking back via websearch on the BASK relationship. It think there are enough hints as to how we got into the 'No QB under contract' situation. I believe it is more on SK than BA.

BA was a coach who made his rep by being someone who worked with new QBs---he had some great talents to work with. If the draft decisions were up to BA, he would have been proceeding with his 'No Riskit, no Biscuit' philosophy and would have churned the draft picks until he got a QBOTF to leave with the Cards after he retired.

SK had control of the draft---believe he yielded to BA on the Logan Thomas pick and spent a 4th rounder on him. Didn't work. After that, SK stuck to his BPA approach and I don't see any relevant input from BA.

Check BA's comments before each draft---he was always in advocacy mode on a QB and making comments on ho

It seemed to me that BA had quite a bit of input on the draft, but I could be wrong. Either way...for SK to avoid drafting literally the most important position in sports, for years, is reprehensible. His reputation as a GM is dwindling with every lackluster draft class, and signing of old vets whom inevitably get injured. This is a very important year for Keim...if he doesn't hit some home runs...he'll be out of a job in no time.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Yes SK is piss poor at the draft and gets outworked every year by teams coming and snatching the Cards glaring need, a pick or 2 prior to the Cards selection. Keim is very overrated. Besides his prove it deals and Jones name 1 other thing that he's good at?

Contract extensions for guys with 2 torn ACLs?

Drafting guys to play positions they never played?

Being out worked by other teams to snatch your need 1 pick before you?

Reaching to grab small school guys rounds before they were even considered being selected by other teams?

 

[TJ]

Yes SK is piss poor a the draft and gets outworked every year by team coming and snatching his glaring needs. Keim is very overrated. Besides his prove it deals and Jones name 1 other thing that he's good at?

Getting Carson Palmer from Oakland for pocket lint and chewed bubble gum

 

[Arz101]

One blame I assign Keim is missing on Watson and Mahomes last year. Even then Wilks/McCoy may have wanted their own QB. It is not as big of a deal as some of you are thinking. Let the HC and OC be on board on who they need their as QB.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Getting Carson Palmer from Oakland for pocket lint and chewed bubble gum

Well Palmer had killed all his trade value and I think choosing to completely ignore the position; was a big mistake

 

[TJ]

Well Palmer had killed all his trade value

And? You asked for one thing that Keim did well and getting a franchise QB for 5 seasons is a hell of an accomplishment, especially for an organization that has struggled mightily to produce competent quarterbacks. Keim deserves kudos for identifying that Palmer still had gas left in the tank.

 

[TJ]

One blame I assign Keim is missing on Watson and Mahomes last year. Even then Wilks/McCoy may have wanted their own QB. It is not as big of a deal as some of you are thinking. Let the HC and OC be on board on who they need their as QB.

How is that Keim's fault? Two teams jumped in front of AZ to draft a QB. We don't know if Keim tried to trade up in the draft and probably will never know what happened in the "War Room."

Had one or both been available and he still picked Reddick, I can see the blame being fair.

 

[iLLmatiC]

How is that Keim's fault? Two teams jumped in front of AZ to draft a QB. We don't know if Keim tried to trade up in the draft. We don't know, and probably will never know, what happened in the "War Room."

Had one or both been available and he still picked Reddick, I can see the blame being fair.

I'm pretty sure we would have taken Mahomes or Watson had teams not jumped in front of us. BA said we liked both of them.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I'm pretty sure we would have taken Mahomes or Watson had teams not jumped in front of us. BA said we liked both of them.

That's their point...you don't wait for a QBOTF to fall to you, you go get him.

 

[Southpaw]

One blame I assign Keim is missing on Watson and Mahomes last year. Even then Wilks/McCoy may have wanted their own QB. It is not as big of a deal as some of you are thinking. Let the HC and OC be on board on who they need their as QB.

Might be the reason they settled for Wilks, a defensive specialist. No Offensive specialist would sign on with that roster disaster at the QB position.

Of all the offensive candidates that signed elsewhere;

Shurmur - Manning and Webb

McDaniels - Andrew Luck and Jacoby Brissett

Jon Gruden - Derek Carr

Mike Nagy - Mitch Trubisky

Matt Patricia - even a DC guy realizes the value of a franchise QB and gets Matt Stafford

Mike Vrabel - Marcus Mariotta and same rationale as Patricia

 

[Arz101]

Might be the reason they settled for Wilks, a defensive specialist. No Offensive specialist would sign on with that roster disaster at the QB position.

Of all the offensive candidates that signed elsewhere;

Shurmur - Manning and Webb

McDaniels - Andrew Luck and Jacoby Brissett

Jon Gruden - Derek Carr

Mike Nagy - Mitch Trubisky

Matt Patricia - even a DC guy realizes the value of a franchise QB and gets Matt Stafford

Mike Vrabel - Marcus Mariotta and same rationale as Patricia

All it matters is in 5 years is Wilks still coaching Cardinals? We will see.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

How is that Keim's fault? Two teams jumped in front of AZ to draft a QB. We don't know if Keim tried to trade up in the draft and probably will never know what happened in the "War Room."

Had one or both been available and he still picked Reddick, I can see the blame being fair.

It's all hearsay at this point, but both Houston and KC traded up from the mid 20's to grab their QB's. AZ was in a prime position to trade into the top 10 to guarantee a QB, but Keim lacks any conviction when it comes to QB's. Instead, he stayed pat hoping for a miracle, and when that miracle passed...he selected a position-less LB. His credibility is wearing thin...to say the least.

 

[gimpy]

. Let's play the blame game. Who can we blame today? Everybody wants to blame somebody.

We had three qb's this past year. But, we didn't plan far enough in advance. We should have had more/better on the team, I guess (would 3 more be enough?).

Oh, let's wait until we get an HC and let them pick their own qb. Oh, wait, that's about to happen, but, we don't have a qb at all on the team, so, let's fire somebody.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

. Let's play the blame game. Who can we blame today? Everybody wants to blame somebody.

We had three qb's this past year. But, we didn't plan far enough in advance. We should have had more/better on the team, I guess (would 3 more be enough?).

Oh, let's wait until we get an HC and let them pick their own qb. Oh, wait, that's about to happen, but, we don't have a qb at all on the team, so, let's fire somebody.

Can we fire Sarver?

 

[Arz101]

. Let's play the blame game. Who can we blame today? Everybody wants to blame somebody.

We had three qb's this past year. But, we didn't plan far enough in advance. We should have had more/better on the team, I guess (would 3 more be enough?).

Oh, let's wait until we get an HC and let them pick their own qb. Oh, wait, that's about to happen, but, we don't have a qb at all on the team, so, let's fire somebody.

There is no pleasing most of the crowd here.