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There's no question Steve Keim gets tremendous credit making the Cards competitive. Last night, however, he must take much of the blame.

The league has seen what Keim's been doing and there was a great deal more competition for those veteran cast-offs this season. So the Cards were left with an extremely weak corner, a thin offensive line and no experienced kick returner. All of that contributed to last night's loss.

I don't know if Keim or BA made the decision to barely play the vets in the preseason. On defense the front 7 looked uncoordinated. Despite playing against NE's second string offensive line they couldn't create constant pressure. NK was invisible except for the penalty he picked up.

Bettcher is taking heavy heat. He deserves some of it, but Keim left him hanging. Williams, who was barely trained as a college corner, was clearly not ready to play man defense. So the Cards were forced to play zone most of the game. That's almost always a formula for disaster against a veteran group of receivers and neutralizes Peterson's impact. This was further agravated by TM not being in peak form. The safeties were often invisible in coverage. They missed Rashad Johnson. This all figures to be a problem for several games.

On offense it was clear that not using the preseason to ready the offense caused the first half to be wasted. The final bad snap is being blamed for the loss, but if the Cards had secured a capable O-line backup that kick might have happened in a more controlled fashion. I kept hearing the Cards sing Watford's praises this off-season. He supposedly could play every position great. This is the same guy who couldn't unseat Larsen so he could start last year. BTW Larsen was rated the worst starting lineman by PFF. Watford's second holding penalty was what really killed the key drive.

Special teams were atrocious. Clearly the Cards needed to draft or sign a return man. This is the kind of problem that drives me crazy. How can this go unsolved for so many years? BTW forget about a coaching change. BA feels it's a loyalty issue.

In the end there was plenty of blame to go around. BA failed to fully utilize a potentially dominating run game, which could have kept the defense off the field. No tight end caught a ball except for Gresham. Several individual players played below their skill level. Floyd only occasionally made an appearance when he should have been able to dominate. He didn't help his free agency case. Nelson was as fragile as I said he'd be when they took him. Jaron Brown didn't get enough snaps.

The season's not lost. The team will get better. However they need to clean this up because they're going to have to win with the offense.
 

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I cannot quite agree on the corner situation - we are in the same situation we would be in if we did get a CB2 and they got injured. Here is who we brought in:

Alan Ball (injured), Mike Jenkins (IR), Asa Jackson (no good) - so we lost our two vet acquisitions in TC.

Traded for Marcus Cooper - but he hasn't been here a week.

Bethel had surgery, then re-injured himself.

Brought in 2 rookies and some UDFAs, had Brooks return to realize how bad he was.

It's a bad situation, but I'm actually more disappointed in the kick returner aspect. Long snapper - I'm on the fence, but a vet would have been cheap enough - I think this is where they let the ST coaches make the call (similar to BA scouting Logan Thomas), not realizing our ST coaching sucks. I don't believe Keim wouldn't have brought in a vet is the coaching staff said that was necessary.
 
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Bargain basement players are not typically an answer at CB.
 

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No Keim is doing his job, had some bad breaks - decision to let Powers go was the mistake - should have paid up. 17 runs to 37 passes again, we deserve to get our asses kicked - its on BA benching CJ and AE.

DJ has not broke down a defense like CJ did last year - DJ is great but CJ made the defense adjust more allowin better play action- cant do it from the pine
 

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They could have easily avoided their current dismal #2 CB situation. NYG acquired like 9 CB's this off season. The NFL is a passing league, at the time ARZ had cap space to sign a Prince Amukamara or a Leon Hall to a reasonable contract maybe even sign both as injuries do happen....Mike Jenkins. Hell, there were even better options in the third round than Williams (Eric Murray, Ryan Smith, Deiondre Hall) whom had extensive experience playing CB at a high level. Instead we go with an extremely raw, fringe prospect who had a subpar year in his only college season playing CB because he was tall and fast.....head scratcher considering we have a similar guy on the roster named Bethel. SK is an amazing evaluator of talent and is usually on top of his game but he takes the hit for the secondary situation.
 

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DJ has not broke down a defense like CJ did last year - DJ is great but CJ made the defense adjust more allowin better play action- cant do it from the pine

Ok you have officially lost your mind... CJ should get more carries than DJ??? LMAO

:biglaugh:
 

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We could have signed Devon Hester... He would have been an upgrade.... And there has to be better options at CB
 

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Ok you have officially lost your mind... CJ should get more carries than DJ??? LMAO

:biglaugh:

I don't think he should've got more carries then DJ, but he definitely should have got more then just 1. Run the ball more. Wish BA wasn't so stubborn when it came to wanting to kill them with passing yards.
 

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They could have easily avoided their current dismal #2 CB situation. NYG acquired like 9 CB's this off season. The NFL is a passing league, at the time ARZ had cap space to sign a Prince Amukamara or a Leon Hall to a reasonable contract maybe even sign both as injuries do happen....Mike Jenkins. Hell, there were even better options in the third round than Williams (Eric Murray, Ryan Smith, Deiondre Hall) whom had extensive experience playing CB at a high level. Instead we go with an extremely raw, fringe prospect who had a subpar year in his only college season playing CB because he was tall and fast.....head scratcher considering we have a similar guy on the roster named Bethel. SK is an amazing evaluator of talent and is usually on top of his game but he takes the hit for the secondary situation.
I pretty much agree with this.

Makes no sense drafting a raw prospect in the THIRD round and make him the starter with better options on the board. Are we sure he's even the best CB we drafted this year(I don't think so)?
 

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I will say this... The 2nd burn on Williams was actually good. Coverage...
Watch the replay.... It was a perfect pass again and a good Catch... If that play doesn't happen...we win probably and he would have been given a decent grade.... The first one was he thought he had help....
 

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Brandon Williams is far to green to be starting. He was the main reason for the Pats scoring 2 TDs. Bucs' qb Jamis Winston with WRs Michael Evans and Vincent Jackson will have a field day against us. Its really hard to come back and win games when you have a cb giving up longs gains and TDs. I don't care about how much potential Williams has, he just is not ready to start.
 

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Harry I pretty much agree with everything you pointed out.

I think the Cardinals got out coached by the Patriots. Josh McDaniels always seemed 2 steps ahead of James Bettcher. Bettcher calls a blitz on 3rd down and the Patriots throw a screen. McDaniels got the ball out of Jimmy's hands quickly negating our pass rush and taking advantage of a loose zone. The Patriots had to be licking their chops when they saw Brandon Williams on tape from the preseason. That is on Keim who I thought should have brought Powers back. Powers at least played smart.

Don't get me started on Special Teams. What a disaster. Our special teams have pretty much sucked since BA has taken over. Why is Ellington bringing the ball out of the end zone? Have the Cardinals ever been able to get it past the 15 on a consistent basis when they run it out of the endzone? Why not just take it on the 25? Our Punts continue to suck, suck, suck. Poor coverage all around. Just a complete dumpster fire! How Amos Jones keeps his job is beyond me.

I attribute the early offensive struggles to the lack of reps in the preseason. I can live with that as I think they will improve with each game. I just hope it doesn't put them in too big of a hole.

Disappointed but I knew this was going to be a close game.
 
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Pats were smart on kickoffs to us. Most kicks were high and being fielded by Ellington on about the 2 yard line. Pats special team players were down quickly on him around the 15 yard line. Pats know how to play special teams.
 

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Pats were smart on kickoffs to us. Most kicks were high and being fielded by Ellington on about the 2 yard line. Pats special team players were down quickly on him around the 15 yard line. Pats know how to play special teams.
Good well coached teams do...
 

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Good well coached teams do...

they also have a GREAT kicker who can do those kicks. Cantman is mediocre and run of the mill. I don't think the team trusts he can do directional kicking or purposed kick offs. If they did, they would have done so when kicking off from the 50 before the Pats last drive.
 

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they also have a GREAT kicker who can do those kicks. Cantman is mediocre and run of the mill. I don't think the team trusts he can do directional kicking or purposed kick offs. If they did, they would have done so when kicking off from the 50 before the Pats last drive.

Are you sure? Maybe our ST coaching doesn't even *try* such techniques...
 

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I listed to the Keim interview on radio this morning (every Monday he does a call in with the radio guys).

He was pretty surly - said the 10/15 third down conversions were due to poor safety play when Patriots ran the same play over and over (that cross pattern out of the slot). Then went on to say that TM32 knew he had a bad day tackling. Usually TM32 plays the slot, but seem to play more free safety on Sunday.

He agreed that special teams needs attention.
 

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I listed to the Keim interview on radio this morning (every Monday he does a call in with the radio guys).

He was pretty surly - said the 10/15 third down conversions were due to poor safety play when Patriots ran the same play over and over (that cross pattern out of the slot). Then went on to say that TM32 knew he had a bad day tackling. Usually TM32 plays the slot, but seem to play more free safety on Sunday.

He agreed that special teams needs attention.

Matthieu did not play well, but is FS really his strongest position? Seems like that takes him so far away from the point of action as opposed to the havoc he wreaks in the slot.

But he was definitely not tackling well last night. I'm used to him wrapping up, driving guys to the ground and lay night he was throwing shoulders or his body at guys instead.

Man, last night sucked. The sky's not falling, but the air has definitely been taken out of that sky high balloon most of us have been holding.
 

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Matthieu did not play well, but is FS really his strongest position? Seems like that takes him so far away from the point of action as opposed to the havoc he wreaks in the slot.

But he was definitely not tackling well last night. I'm used to him wrapping up, driving guys to the ground and lay night he was throwing shoulders or his body at guys instead.

Man, last night sucked. The sky's not falling, but the air has definitely been taken out of that sky high balloon most of us have been holding.

Mathieu was not his usual self. The local guys have been talking a lot about how after he came off the PUP list, he was playing the deep safety role instead of closer to the LOS. I mentioned it in my W2W4 column on Thursday. He didn't look powerful in his tackling and was throwing shoulders when he usually wraps up.

I'm not going to be worried for a few weeks on him.
 

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I listed to the Keim interview on radio this morning (every Monday he does a call in with the radio guys).

He was pretty surly - said the 10/15 third down conversions were due to poor safety play when Patriots ran the same play over and over (that cross pattern out of the slot.

Branch, Jefferson's or Tyrann's fault?
Swearinger?
No more no fly zone.
 

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No Keim is doing his job, had some bad breaks - decision to let Powers go was the mistake - should have paid up. 17 runs to 37 passes again, we deserve to get our asses kicked - its on BA benching CJ and AE.

DJ has not broke down a defense like CJ did last year - DJ is great but CJ made the defense adjust more allowin better play action- cant do it from the pine

I love whenever we don't run the ball enough and lose, THESMEL is like "The coach is the biggest Stoopy McStupid head who ever stupided!" If we don't run the ball and win, he is conspicuously absent.

And, for the record, we didn't run the ball enough last night.
 

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All I know is that I do not get BA's discrepancy between what Williams has shown in preseason and his first game and how he has treated the offensive linemen. Cooper did not get on the field because to the staff he was not good enough and is now traded, we brought Sendlein back quick because the staff thought Shipley was not good enough, and DJ did not play tackle last season because he was not good enough and was even given the nickname 'knee deep" by the staff to stress the point. Well, I can think of a few nicknames for Williams right now and his performance was worst than anything Cooper ever did with us or DJ last season. Maybe Arians only feels he has control over the offense but he is the head coach and there is no way one can look at this game and see Williams at his current development qualified by how many times he got burned and by who. He is such a weak spot that the whole defensive secondary cannot do anything without worrying about him getting burned, it affects the whole defense and limits everything. I have no idea who you bring in and how but you do something or this team is winning no Super Bowl with him playing opposite of Peterson
 
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