Kingsbury Still Top Coach in NFC West

[St Louis Cardinal]

Looking around the division, I can’t help
but think we have the best head coach.

Kyle Shanahan has received way too much credit over the years. If this year says anything, it’s that he’s overrated.

Pete Carroll is ancient. The Seahawks have slowly been on the decline for years. I’m not worried about this team at all.

Sean Mcvay may be the threat, but we lit them up at their own place. At this point, I would rather have Kingsbury over Mcvay.

 

[Cardiac]

The hate by some for KK cracks me up. Top 5 offense, 7 - 1 record and many pundits are fawning over his creativity with the offense.

 

[Dr. Jones]

He's not top 5 IMO but his stock continues to rise. Especially if he continues to prove that he will adapt his style.

Sean Payton, Bruce Arians, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, & LaFleur all have more rightful claims to be considered amongst the best in the game. Maybe Even Rivera & Zimmers.

 

[GatorAZ]

Sean Mcvay may be the threat, but we lit them up at their own place. At this point, I would rather have Kingsbury over Mcvay

That’s bait and you’re not hooking me.

 

[DVontel]

He's not top 5 IMO but his stock continues to rise. Especially if he continues to prove that he will adapt his style.

Sean Payton, Bruce Arians, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, & LaFleur all have more rightful claims to be considered amongst the best in the game. Maybe Even Rivera & Zimmers.

Shanahan definitely doesn’t. Especially over the likes of McDermott, Reid, Harbaugh, etc.

Rivera also doesn’t belong anywhere near a top 5, lol.

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

He's not top 5 IMO but his stock continues to rise. Especially if he continues to prove that he will adapt his style.

Sean Payton, Bruce Arians, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, & LaFleur all have more rightful claims to be considered amongst the best in the game. Maybe Even Rivera & Zimmers.

gotta put Tomlin on that list too... Big Ben is Fitzing them at the QB spot so it looks bad but he is a great coach

 

[Vacard]

KK’s play calling has been crappy

 

[St Louis Cardinal]

That’s bait and you’re not hooking me.

Not so sure it’s bait? KK has never had a defense until this year. You can’t judge all the past Rams gams incoherence with this seasons game.

 

[legend]

Top 5 . . top 10 . . I'm glad he's our coach. He eats all the various failures from lack of ideal personnel to individual player/coach F'ups.
It's Always " I should have called better plays ". Sometimes it is his play calls but either way, he stands up front and takes the bullet.
I've never heard him elude to Kyler's inexperience or Peterson's flash retreat from contact.
He is growing. Our quarterback is growing.
I feel the same about Vance. He's better than we thought.

 

[dscher]

Ehh. He's just a coach like any of the rest. One week he is capable of managing crap games....and the next managing brilliant ones. The biggest difference has been the all around effort of his players this year. Imo.

 

[Krangodnzr]

He's not top 5 IMO but his stock continues to rise. Especially if he continues to prove that he will adapt his style.

Sean Payton, Bruce Arians, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, & LaFleur all have more rightful claims to be considered amongst the best in the game. Maybe Even Rivera & Zimmers.

Shanahan.

 

[Krangodnzr]

KK’s play calling has been crappy

Thats funny. The Cardinals have a top offense.

 

[Vacard]

Thats funny. The Cardinals have a top offense.

Yeah it is funny. Pass, pass pass, safety against the Texans. Whipple called a better game against the Browns.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Shanahan definitely doesn’t. Especially over the likes of McDermott, Reid, Harbaugh, etc.

Rivera also doesn’t belong anywhere near a top 5, lol.

gotta put Tomlin on that list too... Big Ben is Fitzing them at the QB spot so it looks bad but he is a great coach

I misread the initial post and only included NFC coaches. If I included AFC, Bill B, McDermott, Tomlin, Reid, Harbaugh, are clearly better with Stefanski & Vrabel right there as well.

I think Shanahan is better at this point in their careers. I like his scheme better and his ability to allow different players in. KK seems to need a specific set of players for his offense and Shanny seems to have a system that can bend to any type of player. And from a resume perspective...... when his injuries are down, his teams go to Super Bowls.

Rivera is tough so I understand that can go either way. Ronnie in Carolina was a much better coach than KK for much longer so I give him an edge.

 

[DVontel]

Thats funny. The Cardinals have a top offense.

Gotta remember.

When stuff goes bad, it’s mostly on KK. When stuff goes good, it’s barely on KK.

 

[DVontel]

I misread the initial post and only included NFC coaches. If I included AFC, Bill B, McDermott, Tomlin, Reid, Harbaugh, are clearly better with Stefanski & Vrabel right there as well.

I think Shanahan is better at this point in their careers. I like his scheme better and his ability to allow different players in. KK seems to need a specific set of players for his offense and Shanny seems to have a system that can bend to any type of player. And from a resume perspective...... when his injuries are down, his teams go to Super Bowls.

Rivera is tough so I understand that can go either way. Ronnie in Carolina was a much better coach than KK for much longer so I give him an edge.

I agree with this if we’re just only talking RBs. He can throw anybody in there(starting to become a little bit questionable with Trey Sermon being massively underwhelming) However, it’s clearly obvious that he needs a specific type of WRs & OL to make his offense fully work.

This board has to stop doing this thing with Shanny where we just excuse his lack of success outside of 1 year due to injuries, the guys who were already injury prone before he signed/drafted them.

His teams go to Super Bowls to lose them.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I agree with this if we’re just only talking RBs. He can throw anybody in there(starting to become a little bit questionable with Trey Sermon being massively underwhelming) However, it’s clearly obvious that he needs a specific type of WRs & OL to make his offense fully work.

This board has to stop doing this thing with Shanny where we just excuse his lack of success outside of 1 year due to injuries, the guys who were already injury prone before he signed/drafted them.

His teams go to Super Bowls to lose them.

I think Deebo & Julio are different looking guys who are both excelling. Aiyuk last year?
So are Kittle and the TE group from the ATL days.

RB's are just his bread and butter. All positions look better under him. Even Jimmy G looks better.

 

[DVontel]

I think Deebo & Julio are different looking guys who are both excelling. Aiyuk last year?
So are Kittle and the TE group from the ATL days.

RB's are just his bread and butter. All positions look better under him. Even Jimmy G looks better.

Really just Deebo & Kittle. Julio has succeeded under multiple OCs. Aiyuk has been a ghost *this* year. Present time. Do you even remember the TE group from his ATL days without researching? Jimmy has regressed. Mightily. The OL has regressed. Mightily.

Shanny, like every other offensive mind, needs a specific set of players to maximizes his offense’s potential. He’s no different.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Really just Deebo & Kittle. Julio has succeeded under multiple OCs. Aiyuk has been a ghost *this* year. Present time. Do you even remember the TE group from his ATL days without researching? Jimmy has regressed. Mightily. The OL has regressed. Mightily.

Shanny, like every other offensive mind, needs a specific set of players to maximizes his offense’s potential. He’s no different.

The TE group in ATL? Heck no. It was garbage I bet. But that just speaks to my belief he makes all positions better. Kittle had the best yardage season ever as a TE under Shanny. That just goes to show he can scheme up any position and make it great depending on the talent he has.

Aiyuk being a ghost this year only underscores how he can make a player look (last year). And his backup QB's set NFL records too when Jimmy G got hurt. Nick Mullins if I remember correctly.

This dude makes turds look like competent players and stars look like all-world talents.

Matt Ryan won an MVP under him.
Julio (who was amazing) became dominant under him.
Kittle became TE1 under him.
Deebo looks like a legit WR 1 this year.
Aiyuk looked like a legit WR1 last year.
Nick Mullens went off under him.
CJ Beathard beat us once I think.
And you and I both agree that his RB's and running schemes are top self. Easily top 5 IMO maybe even top 3. And his runners continue to be no-names and re-treads just like his pops.

And his resume...... Has two super bowls on it. The guy is above KK is all I'm saying. And probably top 10 in the NFL. It's not something you should even be debating.

 

[Shane]

The TE group in ATL? Heck no. It was garbage I bet. But that just speaks to my belief he makes all positions better. Kittle had the best yardage season ever as a TE under Shanny. That just goes to show he can scheme up any position and make it great depending on the talent he has.

Aiyuk being a ghost this year only underscores how he can make a player look (last year). And his backup QB's set NFL records too when Jimmy G got hurt. Nick Mullins if I remember correctly.

This dude makes turds look like competent players and stars look like all-world talents.

Matt Ryan won an MVP under him.
Julio (who was amazing) became dominant under him.
Kittle became TE1 under him.
Deebo looks like a legit WR 1 this year.
Aiyuk looked like a legit WR1 last year.
Nick Mullens went off under him.
CJ Beathard beat us once I think.
And you and I both agree that his RB's and running schemes are top self. Easily top 5 IMO maybe even top 3. And his runners continue to be no-names and re-treads just like his pops.

And his resume...... Has two super bowls on it. The guy is above KK is all I'm saying. And probably top 10 in the NFL. It's not something you should even be debating.

My lord the Shanahan suck fest around here is nauseating. Top 10 HC in the NFL? No flipping way. You are what your record says you are PERIOD.

Now if you want to call him a top OC I might be willing to play ball. But as a head coach so far he is in full on failure mode with his record and 9er overall performance. One SB appearance as a HC doesn’t excuse the rest of his seasons of ineptitude. Im sure your response is “injuries man” lol

 

[Dr. Jones]

My lord the Shanahan suck fest around here is nauseating. Top 10 HC in the NFL? No flipping way. You are what your record says you are PERIOD.

Now if you want to call him a top OC I might be willing to play ball. But as a head coach so far he is in full on failure mode with his record and 9er overall performance. One SB appearance as a HC doesn’t excuse the rest of his seasons of ineptitude. Im sure your response is “injuries man” lol

Look.... I hate the Niners but I'm not going to argue with someone who is obviously unwilling to look at the body of work. Be it your blind homerism, your hatred of a division rival, or just being obtuse to overwhelming data. Of course I'm going to say injuries. If a coach can win with Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard even after those injuries, then he's a great coach. If his rushing attack continues to dominate year after year, decade after decade, he's great. If his passing attack works with WR's, TE's, RB's etc...... He's great.

I'm sure you would use the same reasoning so don't act like it doesn't matter in this regard.

 

[DVontel]

Look.... I hate the Niners but I'm not going to argue with someone who is obviously unwilling to look at the body of work. Be it your blind homerism, your hatred of a division rival, or just being obtuse to overwhelming data. Of course I'm going to say injuries. If a coach can win with Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard even after those injuries, then he's a great coach. If his rushing attack continues to dominate year after year, decade after decade, he's great. If his passing attack works with WR's, TE's, RB's etc...... He's great.

I'm sure you would use the same reasoning so don't act like it doesn't matter in this regard.

I don’t think it has anything to do with “blind homerism” or “divisional rival hate” lol hell everyone here with sense knows HC like McVay is a top 3 HC in the league, top 5 at worst.

 

[TJ]

Three of the four coaches in the division have been to a super bowl. Three of the four coaches have been to the playoffs.

What’s that song? “One of these things is not like the others?”

Let’s not be prisoners of the moment. Kliff is still the worst coach in the division. He has a chance to change that this season, but he has to prove he can finish out a season first.

 

[Shane]

Look.... I hate the Niners but I'm not going to argue with someone who is obviously unwilling to look at the body of work. Be it your blind homerism, your hatred of a division rival, or just being obtuse to overwhelming data. Of course I'm going to say injuries. If a coach can win with Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard even after those injuries, then he's a great coach. If his rushing attack continues to dominate year after year, decade after decade, he's great. If his passing attack works with WR's, TE's, RB's etc...... He's great.

I'm sure you would use the same reasoning so don't act like it doesn't matter in this regard.

Tell me what is that coach of the packers record? How many injuries has that guy had to deal with with so far this year? He is easily on par with the 9ers injury wise if not worse… Still keeps winning… I know I know Aaron Rogers right?

 

[Shane]

Look.... I hate the Niners but I'm not going to argue with someone who is obviously unwilling to look at the body of work. Be it your blind homerism, your hatred of a division rival, or just being obtuse to overwhelming data. Of course I'm going to say injuries. If a coach can win with Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard even after those injuries, then he's a great coach. If his rushing attack continues to dominate year after year, decade after decade, he's great. If his passing attack works with WR's, TE's, RB's etc...... He's great.

I'm sure you would use the same reasoning so don't act like it doesn't matter in this regard.

Look at everything before and after the one SB season. Tell me that’s a successful HEAD coach to be lauded?