Knicks looking to emulate Suns

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Isiah pulls a fast one


BY MITCH LAWRENCE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

For those attending the Knicks' preseason opener tomorrow night at the Garden against the Nets, don't count on seeing the New York Suns.

With Larry Brown's deliberate halfcourt offense a distant memory, Isiah Thomas wants the Knicks to resemble the high-octane Suns, at least in some respects. Fans should just remember that he doesn't have Steve Nash to work with or the record-setting three-point shooters Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni has at his disposal.

"We won't be as good as they are at it," Thomas conceded yesterday after practice in Greenburgh. "But I think the whole league is moving that way. I watched a couple of exhibition games last night, and even (Jeff) Van Gundy is starting to play a little faster. So it's a league where right now the pace is quicker. You've got to have good guards to play that way. I think we've got four good guards to keep the tempo at a certain level that we like to play at. Now we've got to get good at executing at a fast pace and thinking at a fast pace. The cream of the cream is Phoenix, the way they've been able to do it."

Phoenix's system is so prolific, its scoring average fell off only two points last season, from 110 to 108, even with Amare Stoudemire missing all but a couple of games.

And while they play only token defense, the Suns still have made the Western Conference finals the last two seasons. Last year they racked up 837 three-pointers, a league record and 517 more than the Knicks.

For the Knicks, just getting to the playoffs by using a faster offense would represent dramatic improvement. But to ask them to do what Phoenix does seems a little much. No Knick knows that better than ex-Sun Quentin Richardson, who is skeptical that Stephon Marbury could morph into Nash, the reigning two-time MVP.

"That's a hard job to ask (Stephon), especially the way that Steve Nash does it," Richardson said earlier in camp. "That's something that Steve has a passion for. He gets satisfaction getting guys the ball.

"He's a lot different than probably anybody in the world. There's been games when Steve scored five points but had 20 assists and he's ecstatic. He's happier than if he had scored 30. People are just not like that."

Marbury certainly doesn't think pass-first like Nash. But the Knicks' ability to play like Phoenix goes beyond their point guard's limitations. They would need a mental makeover.

"The whole key to it is unselfishness," Richardson said. "When I was in Phoenix, Amare might go four or five straight plays without getting the ball. Everything happens so fast, we might shoot threes before he could even cross halfcourt.

"When you play an up-tempo style of game, sometimes guys can get overlooked, or maybe they don't get the ball for a couple of plays in a row. But if everybody is being unselfish, nobody takes that personally. Nobody thinks, 'I'm getting frozen out.' But you have to accept that."

Originally published on October 12, 2006


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/460800p-387704c.html
 

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Interesting.

Other than losing a lot, having a terrible team, and not making the playoffs, I can't see much difference between them and us. I think they are on to something....
 

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Well, if they want to go that route, they'll have to stock up on shooters 'cause it won't work by just playing faster.
 

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i dont see how a backcourt of Francis and Marbury can do anything like that. both of those guys are half court players, who hold the ball as long as possible in order to create their own shot.....and when that doesnt happen THEN they look to pass.

COMPLETELY different than the suns style of play.

they also lack consistant outside threat shooters and speed up and down the lineup. how the hell is Curry supposed to even play 20 min per game in an offense like that?

i'm hoping and smelling disaster here.

ideas are just stupid ideas unless you have a logical way of implementing them. you cant just say "this sounds good, i like it, lets do it" and not have a way of making it work (experience/players/plan).

Funny how when D'Antoni came in he brought in guys who would play his style of offense: Nash/Q/JR/Banks. while Isiah is trying to turn his guys into something they arent.
 

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Francis isn't a half court player, quite the opposite. He struggles in the half court, but excels in the open floor. That said, he's not a great or even very good distributor of the ball. I think the Knicks have a lot of talent, but playing like the Suns I have trouble seeing.
 

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"That's a hard job to ask (Stephon), especially the way that Steve Nash does it," Richardson said earlier in camp. "That's something that Steve has a passion for. He gets satisfaction getting guys the ball.

"He's a lot different than probably anybody in the world. There's been games when Steve scored five points but had 20 assists and he's ecstatic. He's happier than if he had scored 30. People are just not like that."


Translation - "Stephon is not like that, he gets pissed when he doesn't score 20+... he would hate for someone else to out do him. It will never work here, we have a PG that only cares about himself"
 

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Francis isn't a half court player, quite the opposite. He struggles in the half court, but excels in the open floor. That said, he's not a great or even very good distributor of the ball. I think the Knicks have a lot of talent, but playing like the Suns I have trouble seeing.

what i always thought of francis was that he can certainly bring the ball upcourt and run, but lacks the ability to find and feed the open man. so when he cant score himself, he he holds up in order to open up the halfcourt offense.
 

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Knicks looking to emulate Suns

....by having successful seasons cut short by serious knee injuries to key players?
 

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The Knicks will lead the league in turnovers,lowest FG%, points allowed and most times blownout if they try and emulate our offense.

Should be fun to watch.
 

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The Knicks need a good PG to execute the Suns offense that is pass oriented. Besides Steve Nash, Ridnour and Hinrich come to mind.
 

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I can imagine alternatives to the Suns' specific fast style. Maybe their PGs (whichever of Marbury and Francis can steal the ball from a rebounder) dribbles up the floor fast and always shoots without pause; the rest of the team rushes down, not to the wings, but for rebounding position.... Would THOSE games be fun to watch!
 

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The Suns style is much more than push the ball downcourt and shoot as fast as you can. It seems like the Denver Nuggets tried the fast shoot concept several years ago under, I believe Westhead, and it was a complete joke.

The Suns do try to push the ball up the court and get the quick shot. Although it may appear like mayhem, the Suns spread the floor and run their offense by design... getting the ball to the open shooter. The Suns also believe in having five shooters on the court so the defense cannot sag on one player. Of course, Steve Nash orchestrates this organized mayhem.

I think alot of teams are going to find it is not as easy as it looks.
 

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It all starts with the coach. Larry Brown is the reason that this isn't going to work. He is too much of a control freak to let the guys run anything other then a slow down set play offense. What makes Phoenix unique is the offense is not set so the players are allowed to free lance quite a bit. Larry Brown would never let that happen, it would drive him nuts.
 

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It all starts with the coach. Larry Brown is the reason that this isn't going to work. He is too much of a control freak to let the guys run anything other then a slow down set play offense. What makes Phoenix unique is the offense is not set so the players are allowed to free lance quite a bit. Larry Brown would never let that happen, it would drive him nuts.

Umm, Larry Brown doesn't coach the Knicks anymore.
 

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The reason it won't work is that Isaiah Thomas has filled his roster with a bunch of guys who like to shoot a lot but don't shoot very well. Marbury is not an open court/fast break point guard either.

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It all starts with the coach. Larry Brown is the reason that this isn't going to work. He is too much of a control freak to let the guys run anything other then a slow down set play offense. What makes Phoenix unique is the offense is not set so the players are allowed to free lance quite a bit. Larry Brown would never let that happen, it would drive him nuts.


Where have you been...it's not LB's team anymore, he got canned
 

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Larry Brown? New York Knicks? WAKE UP!
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