Knight to the Clips for Ely?

[Errntknght]

Coach Mike Dunleavy has been bemoaning the Clippers lack of a PG... a position you'd guess he would consider important since he was a PG. They have a surplus of big men - eight. Yep, eight guys as big or bigger than Chris Wilcox - Brand, Chris Kaman, Melvin Ely, Polynice, Drobnjak, Josh Moore and Wang. We'd have no interest in Wang or Polynice... and we probably could have had Peja if we'd wanted him. Moore is a project. Kaman they probably wouldn't trade for a PG but one of Wilcox or Ely they well might. Brand is out for a couple of months so they might be a little less willing to trade one but when he's back they might go for it. I'd prefer Ely between the two of them... he's 6'10", 261 and likes to play defense. Swings between C & PF. The Clippers are probably below the cap so they could make the deal straight up. The Suns would save around 3 million and have a young power player. I haven't seen much of his play but he got more minutes than Wilcox did last year so he ought to be pretty fair.

 

[hcsilla]

Knight for Ely?
Suns would have to give AT LEAST Cabarkapa and CLE's pick. Perhaps both.

BTW, I think that Melvin Ely would be a fine future backup PF/C for the Suns.

 

[slinslin]

If they were to give up Cabarkapa and a good non-lottery pick they would better be thinking that Ely becomes a double-double machine for them.

But yeah I would love to have Ely.

 

[Joe Mama]

There are several free-agent backup point guard out there to be had for next to nothing. There's no way the Clippers would want to pay Knight $5 million and give up a good, big man prospect when they could pay someone like Rod Strickland 1/5 that amount and keep Ely.

Joe Mama

 

[hcsilla]

I would definitely trade CLE's pick for Melvin Ely.



The idea (PG for one of LAC's bigmen) isn't bad at all.

Clippers seem to be set at C (Kaman [?]), PF (Brand), SG (Maggette) and they have Richardson at SF who is still a good prospect, IMO.

Since Jaric is struggling (while Dooling is struggling and injury prone) they could be interested in trading for a PG prospect. Furthermore except Maggette and Richardson they don't really have quality swingman.



So how about this deal:

PHO trade

Barbosa
Jacobsen
CLE's pick
2003 PHO's pick (if higher than #25 because of the Barbosa trade, if it's lower than #24 then LAC get Suns 2006 1st rounder)


PHO get

Ely
2003 LAC's 1st rounder (top5 protected)

Note: LAC owe a 1st round pick to Denver. Must be the Clippers' pick. No option. Due by '06. Top-21 protected in '03, top-15 protected in '04, top-14 protected in '05, unprotected in '06.


So the Suns get LAC's pick either this year IF they also CAN give (which means it's higher than #25 which is likely) their own 1st to LAC AND LAC's pick is lower than #5 or in 2008.


This trade has to wait till Dec 15th until Barbosa's trade restrictions expire.

I assumed that to that time Barbosa proves to a really promising prospect.
We know that Jacobsen isn't the brightest prospect of NBA but he played his best games against LAC (18 and 15 points from the bench if my memory serves me well).

PHO get a servicable young bigman and a good lottery pick this year or a future possible lottery pick. Suns cut some salary.

 

[slinslin]

Wouldn't trade Barbosa.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by slinslin
Wouldn't trade Barbosa.

Not even if you get a lottery pick for him?

 

[slinslin]

Not if we get a lottery pick who is almost 26 year old by now and hasn't proven anything in the NBA.

If I had a late lottery pick this year and needed a PG I would have taken Barbosa in the lottery anyway and so would the Suns since they had him rated #2 on their PG list with Lebron #1.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by slinslin
Not if we get a lottery pick who is almost 26 year old by now and hasn't proven anything in the NBA.

In the above trade Suns get also LAC's pick not only Ely.

If I had a late lottery pick this year and needed a PG I would have taken Barbosa in the lottery anyway and so would the Suns since they had him rated #2 on their PG list with Lebron #1.

We can't know if Barbosa was No. 2 on Suns' PG list.
I highly doubt it but we can only speculate.

If Suns had a late lottery pick why would they draft a prospect to backup their best player?
That's eaxctly the point of this trade.
Suns could use Ely AND LAC's pick to fill their biggest need which is obviously at C.

 

[slinslin]

I trust Colangelo when he says that Barbosa was #2 on their list for PGs overall and #2 on their list after Zarko at #17.

You don't trade talent for need. Just like you don't draft for need rather just take the best player available.

Barbosa isn't going anywhere. He seems way too talented and way too close with Marbury already. If Marbury is sold on him so quickly and the Suns management anyway, he is not going for a soon to be 26 year old sophomore who didn't really impress in his first season.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Originally posted by slinslin


You don't trade talent for need. Just like you don't draft for need rather just take the best player available.

Yes you do. You do it if it fills the one hole on your team with a player proven to give you the production you desire.

Ely's not that player, IMO.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by slinslin
I trust Colangelo when he says that Barbosa was #2 on their list for PGs overall

I don't remember that Colangelo would have said that but that can be my fault.

#2 on their list after Zarko at #17.

That's possible but at #17 Ford, Hinrich and Ridnour all were already drafted.

You don't trade talent for need.

No, you don't.
In the above trade you trade talent for more needed talent.

If Marbury is sold on him so quickly and the Suns management anyway, he is not going for a soon to be 26 year old sophomore who didn't really impress in his first season.

slinslin, again, in this trade Suns don't trade Barbosa just for Ely.
They get ALSO LAC'S PICK.

BTW, aren't you basing too much on the player's comments about each other?
That's also the part of the game.
The participants of the organization are praising each other so you shouldn't give too much credit for that.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by JCSunsfan


Ely's not that player, IMO.

But Podkolzin, Perovic, Davis or Biedrins etc. - who Suns could get with LAC's lottery pick - can be that player.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I really didn't figure the pick because I didn't think SD would go for it.

But if you could swing it, there's always this guy. . .


http://nbadraft.net/profiles/haseung-jin.asp


Just as an aside, thank goodness they didn't make him a jr.

Injury concerns: Players of Seung-jin's size are prime candidates for knee and foot injuries. With injuries having ended or limited the careers of countless bigmen including Ralph Sampson, Gheorge Muresan, Arvydas Sabonis, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, and others. Both Ha's father and sister had successful basketball careers end prematurely due to injury. Staying healthy appears to be the biggest area of concern for him. "Health is the most important thing which my son should keep in mind," said Ha's 6-6 father Dong-ki.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by JCSunsfan
I really didn't figure the pick because I didn't think SD would go for it.

Who is SD?

 

[JCSunsfan]

I meant LAC. I'm still living in the ancient past when the Clips hailed from SD. Its kind of a habit.

 

[devilalum]

The best hope the Suns have of getting a descent player for Knight is to trade him for a vet big man with a similar contract.

Knights biggest asset is his expiring contract.