Kolb back to a new and improved Cardinal team

[desertdawg]

I remember the blindside QB hits Kolb was taking, I remember the defense was melting down with K9's favorite corpse "running" it from the field. I recall triple coverage on Fitz and no use of the run game to help out. Playaction pass? Will Kolb benefit from these things, will the Cardinals benefit having Kolb in there?

I say yes, I hope Whiz doesn't hang him out there in the spread the whole game because then he is pretty much on his own. Like all the other QBs minus our audible-superbowl.

Kolb will be playing a much tougher team this week, so everybody can slide that one into whatever side of the arguement they kick it on. Beanie might be banged up (after 228, I aint tripping), I hope Whiz continues to be creative and consistent with the ground game.

This defense has taken over games now, more names than a hippie wants to type. Kolb's best game was his first game (like everybody else the last couple years), let's hope the QB coach spent the last month messing up Skelton's mechanics so Kolb could get a break.

5 bucks says Beanie and Kolb are questionable all week, but I bet they both play vs dattass. To all the Kolb-kickers, foot in mouth tastes extra bad when when you've put said foot up some one's ass. (that should rile them up!)

 

[RugbyMuffin]

To all the Kolb-kickers, foot in mouth tastes extra bad when when you've put said foot up some one's ass. (that should rile them up!)

I feel safe with the mouth to foot risk I am taking in saying Kolb will show us why we should concentrate on the 23 yr old making less then a million a year that needs to be "developed" for Whiz's system, then wasting time with the 10 million a year, 27 year old, 5 yr NFL vet that needs to be "developed" for Whiz's system.

What exactly is going to change that will make Mr.1-6 play any better on a bad foot ?

 

[desertdawg]

I feel safe with the mouth to foot risk I am taking in saying Kolb will show us why we should concentrate on the 23 yr old making less then a million a year that needs to be "developed" for Whiz's system, then wasting time with the 10 million a year, 27 year old, 5 yr NFL vet that needs to be "developed" for Whiz's system.

What exactly is going to change that will make Mr.1-6 play any better on a bad foot ?

Everything already has changed amigo, leaving 2 backs/TEs in to pick up the blindside and whatever blitz. Our defense won't lose the close game now, they can close a game now. Whiz looks like he took notes when he got whipped in SF. If the spread is dead and the defense keeps working....Kolb has a whole new team/chance.

I think he will have a good game, a lot of factors come into play.

 

[Dback Jon]

Everything already has changed amigo, leaving 2 backs/TEs in to pick up the blindside and whatever blitz. Our defense won't lose the close game now, they can close a game now. Whiz looks like he took notes when he got whipped in SF. If the spread is dead and the defense keeps working....Kolb has a whole new team/chance.

I think he will have a good game, a lot of factors come into play.

I hope you are right.

 

[Chopper0080]

I will put my foot in my mouth and say that the Cardinals finish 7-9 on the season if Kolb starts the remaining 5 games. (yes I said that we will go 3-2 over our next 5)

(I originally said 4-1, but that was too big of a leap.

 

[kerouac9]

Everything already has changed amigo, leaving 2 backs/TEs in to pick up the blindside and whatever blitz. Our defense won't lose the close game now, they can close a game now. Whiz looks like he took notes when he got whipped in SF. If the spread is dead and the defense keeps working....Kolb has a whole new team/chance.

I think he will have a good game, a lot of factors come into play.

We were doing this a lot, both against Carolina and early in the season. How do you think we were getting Heap and King on the field at the same time?

 

[juza76]

we see what he can do but if he still suck as always..time to think about drafting a quarterback...robert griffin III

 

[desertdawg]

We were doing this a lot, both against Carolina and early in the season. How do you think we were getting Heap and King on the field at the same time?

TEs I'll agree, 2 back set was pretty much toast after the Panther game, which we won. My point is the team looks to really be improving, and Whiz might just finally give up on going spread 8 times every drive, I think Kev-bo's blindside will better. The O-line has stepped it up some, the defense is hustling, and we are learning that if we run it 3 times in a row, they quit putting 3 guys on Larry.

You've been calling for Kolb to get the start, you probably see the same things I do. He needs to stay in the pocket, out of the shotgun, and start playing with some balls when it's crunchtime. Like I said, it's a whole new ball game and he's the guy right now. We are up poop creek if he doesn't improve, and if we resort back to the old system vs dattass on Sunday. We better keep biting that 9er style.

 

[Phrazbit]

The running game was also strong early in the year. The defense has played better overall but Kolb wasted strong defensive efforts when he was still starting.

Skelton has played poorly but came through in 2 of these 3 wins with huge late drives to win or tie the game. Kolb was put in the same situation 4 times and put up a goose egg. If the team is going to continue their success the biggest thing that will need to change with Kolb in their is Kolb's play, especially in the clutch.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think Kolb is clearly the best QB on the Roster. However I think he has two area's that he clearly needs to improve on.

#1: His footwork tends to get sloppy. This results in poor throws. The good news is that this can be fixed.

#2: He must have better pocket presense. This includes staying in the pocket and resisting constantly rolling to his right. as well as knowing when to get rid of the ball. He can't take unnecessary sacks that knock the Cards out of scoring range.


As for Skelton, I feel this kid still has the potential to be a solid QB. However he clearly isn't ready to be a full time starter. I've said it before but we won't know what we have in Skelton till after his 3rd year in the league. The kid was just so raw coming out of college. Giving up on him now would be a mistake IMO.

 

[juza76]

I think Kolb is clearly the best QB on the Roster. However I think he has two area's that he clearly needs to improve on.

#1: His footwork tends to get sloppy. This results in poor throws. The good news is that this can be fixed.

#2: He must have better pocket presense. This includes staying in the pocket and resisting constantly rolling to his right. as well as knowing when to get rid of the ball. He can't take unnecessary sacks that knock the Cards out of scoring range.


As for Skelton, I feel this kid still has the potential to be a solid QB. However he clearly isn't ready to be a full time starter. I've said it before but we won't know what we have in Skelton till after his 3rd year in the league. The kid was just so raw coming out of college. Giving up on him now would be a mistake IMO.

i think is quite easy to be the best quarterback in this roster,the problem if u want to build a team for win,i guess he didnt show anything till now..is a bet like a rookie but is pretty sure he doesnt have a lot of upside to imagine him leading this team to superbowl.i s very ridicolous what they spend for him in terms of contract and draft pick,an example) some years a go patriots sent cassel to chief for a second round pick,but cassel was coming froma very solid season-kolb what has done till now..nothing 2 good games in philadelphia and stop.is injury prone.in 7 starts here suck in any aspect .accuracy power leadership presence in the pocket footwork.how many season we should waste because they sign him for a long term contract???

 

[desertdawg]

i think is quite easy to be the best quarterback in this roster,the problem if u want to build a team for win,i guess he didnt show anything till now..is a bet like a rookie but is pretty sure he doesnt have a lot of upside to imagine him leading this team to superbowl.i s very ridicolous what they spend for him in terms of contract and draft pick,an example) some years a go patriots sent cassel to chief for a second round pick,but cassel was coming froma very solid season-kolb what has done till now..nothing 2 good games in philadelphia and stop.is injury prone.in 7 starts here suck in any aspect .accuracy power leadership presence in the pocket footwork.how many season we should waste because they sign him for a long term contract???

Either you are posting from a I-phone upside down while sky diving.... or....you should pass that stuff over here homie. (either way you are pretty cool )

 

[juza76]

Either you are posting from a I-phone upside down while sky diving.... or....you should pass that stuff over here homie. (either way you are pretty cool )

Thank u for your support

 

[Stout]

I think Kolb is clearly the best QB on the Roster. However I think he has two area's that he clearly needs to improve on.

#1: His footwork tends to get sloppy. This results in poor throws. The good news is that this can be fixed.

#2: He must have better pocket presense. This includes staying in the pocket and resisting constantly rolling to his right. as well as knowing when to get rid of the ball. He can't take unnecessary sacks that knock the Cards out of scoring range.


As for Skelton, I feel this kid still has the potential to be a solid QB. However he clearly isn't ready to be a full time starter. I've said it before but we won't know what we have in Skelton till after his 3rd year in the league. The kid was just so raw coming out of college. Giving up on him now would be a mistake IMO.

I think Kolb clearly has NOT shown that he is the best QB on the roster. He has been putrid and awful and has done things that no NFL QB should ever do, and he has done them constantly. Can he, and will he, improve and show us that he is the best QB on the roster? Time will tell. I do think Skelton has the ability to develop into a solid starter. He simply needs time to develop. Kolb has had buckets of time to develop as an NFL QB, and I am not talking about learning the system.

Nice job of whitewashing all of Kolb's crappy play with excuse after excuse after excuse, desertdawg. Reading your initial post, I expect that we had Peyton Manning back there, but he couldn't do anything because of the bad coaching decisions.

 

[crisper57]

Which is worse, Kolb's boneheaded sacks or Skelton's boneheaded INT's? (Seriously, I am asking. Both have cost us loads of points.)

Footwork has been pretty terrible for all our QB's. This is a recurring theme in the Whiz system for some reason. Even Warner had a time where he had to rework his steps.

I am ready to see Kolb step back in and take the reins. I love Skelton. He is a great backup QB in that he can take over and we know his starts are not automatic losses. But until he develops a little more accuracy with his throws, he needs to remain a backup.

 

[Stout]

I am ready to see Kolb step back in and take the reins. I love Skelton. He is a great backup QB in that he can take over and we know his starts are not automatic losses. But until he develops a little more accuracy with his throws, he needs to remain a backup.

Oh, Kolb needs to come back in when he is healthy. We have to see what we have in him, and see if he's made improvements. That is a must.

 

[desertdawg]

I think Kolb clearly has NOT shown that he is the best QB on the roster. He has been putrid and awful and has done things that no NFL QB should ever do, and he has done them constantly. Can he, and will he, improve and show us that he is the best QB on the roster? Time will tell. I do think Skelton has the ability to develop into a solid starter. He simply needs time to develop. Kolb has had buckets of time to develop as an NFL QB, and I am not talking about learning the system.

Nice job of whitewashing all of Kolb's crappy play with excuse after excuse after excuse, desertdawg. Reading your initial post, I expect that we had Peyton Manning back there, but he couldn't do anything because of the bad coaching decisions.

I guess this conversation will just remain a game of ping pong until we play dattass. I aint whitewashing much, I mentioned the pocket, him not being so great in Whiz's shotgun, and not showing that he can close a game out. It might be in dawg language and s p r e a d out through this thread but it's there.

He has a better team around him on both sides of the ball, O-line has picked it up and Kolb sees that.

Whiz"s new gameplanning/playcalling can also benefit Kolb's game, more run, less gun. Plus we gotta remember the toe amigo, bootlegging isn't a viable option when he's gimpy.

I think Kolb is going to have a good game against a tough defense, Ware will be there. It's posted so no worries, if Kolb scrambles backwards allday losing yardage and possesions, feel free.

 

[john h]

I think Kolb is clearly the best QB on the Roster. However I think he has two area's that he clearly needs to improve on.

#1: His footwork tends to get sloppy. This results in poor throws. The good news is that this can be fixed.

#2: He must have better pocket presense. This includes staying in the pocket and resisting constantly rolling to his right. as well as knowing when to get rid of the ball. He can't take unnecessary sacks that knock the Cards out of scoring range.


As for Skelton, I feel this kid still has the potential to be a solid QB. However he clearly isn't ready to be a full time starter. I've said it before but we won't know what we have in Skelton till after his 3rd year in the league. The kid was just so raw coming out of college. Giving up on him now would be a mistake IMO.

One thing you cannot fix is what goes on inside a QB's head. A QB is not likely to tell you so what you see is what you get. So far both Kolb and Skelton have not looked like NFL starters. Skelton has had the good luck to have our defense come to life and Beenie and Peterson to step up. Neither of these guys are winning our games on their great arms and decision making. This past week the receivers would have to have been 10' tall to catch those high passes Skelton was throwing. Yes he did throw a decent pass or two but that was it. So far Kolb has shown nothing. Skelton needs to have a solid 4 quarter game to show he is a potential NFL QB. Otherwise we must continue our search for a QB. As of today I would sure not want to start next season with the QBs we have on this team.

One of the good things for next year is our emerging defense. We sure should be looking to sign some of these young guys to longer term contracts. Other teams are watching them so we sure do not want them to hit the free agent marked.

Twice we have tried to use Peterson in the offensive backfield. Both times failed. I wonder what our team had in mind for him? What ever it was I would like to see what happens. I do not want to see him running up the middle as he is to valuable. Maybe a wide sweep or a screen. Something to get him into open space.

 

[PJ1]

After watching Skelton this past week I am convinced he is still a project that is in its early stages. Maybe someday but not now. He should not be starting.

I look forward to seeing if Kolb looks decent this week. Still hope he has a future with us.

 

[Phrazbit]

I guess this conversation will just remain a game of ping pong until we play dattass. I aint whitewashing much, I mentioned the pocket, him not being so great in Whiz's shotgun, and not showing that he can close a game out. It might be in dawg language and s p r e a d out through this thread but it's there.

He has a better team around him on both sides of the ball, O-line has picked it up and Kolb sees that.

Whiz"s new gameplanning/playcalling can also benefit Kolb's game, more run, less gun. Plus we gotta remember the toe amigo, bootlegging isn't a viable option when he's gimpy.

I think Kolb is going to have a good game against a tough defense, Ware will be there. It's posted so no worries, if Kolb scrambles backwards allday losing yardage and possesions, feel free.

The Oline is not playing any better than it did with Kolb. Skelton just moves forwards into the voids that the blocking scheme is supposed to create, Kolb runs backwards where our poor tackles are forced to herd the DEs they cant stuff.

Some of the sacks Kolb took were almost impossible to avoid, but a good chuck of them Kolb ran himself right into.

 

[Stout]

I guess this conversation will just remain a game of ping pong until we play dattass. I aint whitewashing much, I mentioned the pocket, him not being so great in Whiz's shotgun, and not showing that he can close a game out. It might be in dawg language and s p r e a d out through this thread but it's there.

He has a better team around him on both sides of the ball, O-line has picked it up and Kolb sees that.

Whiz"s new gameplanning/playcalling can also benefit Kolb's game, more run, less gun. Plus we gotta remember the toe amigo, bootlegging isn't a viable option when he's gimpy.

I think Kolb is going to have a good game against a tough defense, Ware will be there. It's posted so no worries, if Kolb scrambles backwards allday losing yardage and possesions, feel free.

Yeah, I was breaking your balls for that initial post. I read it and figured, 'geesh, this QB must be like Peyton Manning or something' You realized that you needed to put in some caveats, and have done so over the REST of the thread All good. Let's go Cards!

 

[conraddobler]

People keep hoping to fit a round peg into a square hole.

Everyone should simply compare every QB on our roster to Kurt Warner and then realize how stupid our FO and coaches are.

No one on our roster SINCE Warner was even remotely LIKE Warner.

I can't believe that no one sees this, it's so freaking obvious it's frightening.

Dree Brees is like Warner, Chase Daniel is like Warner, this is why both of them play for the Saints who run a similar offense to us.

See that's how that works, you get the QB's who can run it and collect them, you don't try and run a Warner offense with a DA....that's about the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Matt wasn't like Warner but he's more like him than DA was, and anyone who ever thought DA could ever run that offense should be fired now, right now, immediately cause they are that dumb.

So how does Kolb seem like Warner?

They both have dark hair?

They are about the same height?

Maybe their bowling averages are the same?

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, the stupid that oozes from this team is overwhelming at times.

 

[Duckjake]

People keep hoping to fit a round peg into a square hole.

Everyone should simply compare every QB on our roster to Kurt Warner and then realize how stupid our FO and coaches are.

No one on our roster SINCE Warner was even remotely LIKE Warner.

I can't believe that no one sees this, it's so freaking obvious it's frightening.

Dree Brees is like Warner, Chase Daniel is like Warner, this is why both of them play for the Saints who run a similar offense to us.

See that's how that works, you get the QB's who can run it and collect them, you don't try and run a Warner offense with a DA....that's about the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Matt wasn't like Warner but he's more like him than DA was, and anyone who ever thought DA could ever run that offense should be fired now, right now, immediately cause they are that dumb.

So how does Kolb seem like Warner?

They both have dark hair?

They are about the same height?

Maybe their bowling averages are the same?

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, the stupid that oozes from this team is overwhelming at times.

You are right on the money.

I knew it was essential last Spring. That's why I kept saying we needed Colt McCoy who was very similar to Warner in College.

It is also why some of us were criticizing the front office for bringing in Kolb and not adjusting the offense to make his transition easier.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You are right on the money.

I knew it was essential last Spring. That's why I kept saying we needed Colt McCoy who was very similar to Warner in College.

It is also why some of us were criticizing the front office for bringing in Kolb and not adjusting the offense to make his transition easier.

Why not change the offense to match the skills of the QB?

This team needs to run more, do more play action. IMO we are thinking of Fitz too much. Wide receiver can much more easily adapt to different offenses than QB's and offensive lines can.

 

[Phrazbit]

Why not change the offense to match the skills of the QB?

This team needs to run more, do more play action. IMO we are thinking of Fitz too much. Wide receiver can much more easily adapt to different offenses than QB's and offensive lines can.

I think our offense matches the skills of our QBs very well right now. Our QBs have almost no skill... and we have almost no offense! A perfect fit.