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Yesterday's performance moved the Defense to 17th in the NFL in scoring defense. If that held to the end of the season it would be the best ranking since 1994!

Way to go guys. :thumbup:


On the other hand the offense dropped to 29th in scoring. If that held up it would be the 5th time in the last 6 years that Arizona has finished 29th or worse in scoring offense.

Must be something in the water, or sand, out there.
 

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This is what saves me from being negative about things.

When Denny took over this team, he (and Graves + Bidwill) knew the defense sucked and he addressed it in the draft and free agency. Lo and behold, we have a player tied for the lead in sacks. Our defense is doing it's job and then some.

The offense is a different story. We all know that Denny misjudged the talent on the Offense and our Running Back situation is in disarray due to injuries. I think that Denny looked at Josh as a bigger, stronger Jake. Wrong. I think that he looked at our OL as tremendously talented, just without the proper coaching. Wrong. Now he knows. He will try and fix it as much as he can this year, then address it wholeheartedly during the offseason.
 

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Our defense is better than it had been, but there are still points of vulnerability that other teams are beginning to exploit:

Russell Davis, Renaldo Hill - Both overachievers; both giving up too many big plays despite the effort.

And, lately for some reason, a split-second brain freeze on the part of our defensive players - a slight hesitation when the ball's up for grabs; resulting in fumbles not recovered and interceptions not quite made. (Some teams have a mindset which makes them better at being ready to pounce on a loose ball than other teams.
 
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JeffGollin said:
Our defense is better than it had been, but there are still points of vulnerability that other teams are beginning to exploit:

Russell Davis, Renaldo Hill - Both overachievers; both giving up too many big plays despite the effort.

And, lately for some reason, a split-second brain freeze on the part of our defensive players - a slight hesitation when the ball's up for grabs; resulting in fumbles not recovered and interceptions not quite made. (Some teams have a mindset which makes them better at being ready to pounce on a loose ball than other teams.

Well of course. It's called experience and developing that mentality through continued success. They are only 11 games removed from being the worst scoring defense in the NFL. I think we'll see them "pounce" more quickly next season.

I'm looking at this year's D like I would a college team that starts having very good success on defense and has 9 starters coming back for next season.
 

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Duckjake said:
Well of course. It's called experience and developing that mentality through continued success. They are only 11 games removed from being the worst scoring defense in the NFL. I think we'll see them "pounce" more quickly next season.

Um, after playing football at the NCAA level, the high school level, and in some cases the Pop Warner level, I would sure as Hell hope that pouncing on a loose ball is like a brain-stem function for defensive players in the NFL. There is no excuse, no amount of points given up the previous year, no lack of NFL experience that will excuse not doing something that's drilled into the heads of every defensive player from the time they are little kids (or at least 7th graders).

Seriously, this is the NFL, and making excuses for not pouncing on the ball is almost as bad as the complete lack of good tackling that plagues the league at the moment. And the irony is, the bad tackles are coming from players trying to make SportCenter Top 10 highlights by forcing fumbles but when the ball is actually knocked loose the team lacks the "instincts" to jump on it?

I haven't played an organized game of baseball since I was in high school. Yet, if I were thrown in the outfield and asked to play I'd remember all the basic rules I was taught, like calling for the fly ball, or hitting the cut off man. But a professional football player that has at the moment he steps into the NFL usually has at least 8 years of organized football under their belt needs to work on getting to a loose ball for next year?

To quote Tango, "simply amazing".

No, going for the loose ball is something every player should have no control over. It should be like dangling a string in front of a cat, it should trigger some primitive recess of the brain to jump into instantaneous action. I'm talking Vikings gnawing on their shields to get themselves into a wild frenzy type action here.

I understand your point Duckjake, the defense is improving and we should expect that part of their game to improve as well. And I understand that forcing fumbles is a function of skill and that recovering said fumble is more a function of luck. But you can't give Lady Luck a chance to roll the dice if you stop pursuing to the action because it appears a teammate has made the tackle already. I think we both have the same optimism for the future of our defense it's just that you're comparing to past Cardinals defenses and I am looking at the rest of the league so where we are right now differs.

And finally, thank you for a positive post.
 
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jerryp said:
Um, after playing football at the NCAA level, the high school level, and in some cases the Pop Warner level, I would sure as Hell hope that pouncing on a loose ball is like a brain-stem function for defensive players in the NFL. There is no excuse, no amount of points given up the previous year, no lack of NFL experience that will excuse not doing something that's drilled into the heads of every defensive player from the time they are little kids (or at least 7th graders).

Seriously, this is the NFL, and making excuses for not pouncing on the ball is almost as bad as the complete lack of good tackling that plagues the league at the moment. And the irony is, the bad tackles are coming from players trying to make SportCenter Top 10 highlights by forcing fumbles but when the ball is actually knocked loose the team lacks the "instincts" to jump on it?

I haven't played an organized game of baseball since I was in high school. Yet, if I were thrown in the outfield and asked to play I'd remember all the basic rules I was taught, like calling for the fly ball, or hitting the cut off man. But a professional football player that has at the moment he steps into the NFL usually has at least 8 years of organized football under their belt needs to work on getting to a loose ball for next year?

To quote Tango, "simply amazing".

No, going for the loose ball is something every player should have no control over. It should be like dangling a string in front of a cat, it should trigger some primitive recess of the brain to jump into instantaneous action. I'm talking Vikings gnawing on their shields to get themselves into a wild frenzy type action here.

I understand your point Duckjake, the defense is improving and we should expect that part of their game to improve as well. And I understand that forcing fumbles is a function of skill and that recovering said fumble is more a function of luck. But you can't give Lady Luck a chance to roll the dice if you stop pursuing to the action because it appears a teammate has made the tackle already. I think we both have the same optimism for the future of our defense it's just that you're comparing to past Cardinals defenses and I am looking at the rest of the league so where we are right now differs.

And finally, thank you for a positive post.

You are expecting a perfect world though. I wonder if you would always remember to hit the cutoff man if for the last 2 seasons the infielders never came out for the cutoff and you got used to taking the ball right to the base. Similarly guys will have to adjust to changes like the D actually causing fumbles.

I've never understood fans who thought that just because someone was a professional athlete the player should be perfect. You always have to remember that the ball ain't round and it's being played with by 25 year olds. These guys are humans not robots and humans develop habits.

Developing the proper habits requires continual practice, discipline and experience. It's what I see developing in our D this season and should only get better as they see more of it. Their reaction time in deciding whether to pick up the ball and try and advance or simply cover it will get faster as they see more fumbles. And I fully expect Dansby, Dockett, and Berry will be causing more next season.

As Dan Jenkins wrote "nothing in this world is dead solid perfect". :D
 

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