Kurt Warner talks about Matt Leinart's predicament

[BullheadCardFan]

Kurt Warner talks about Matt Leinart's predicament

"Coach has thought long and hard and watched every play since way back when they started this offseason, and the evaluation process starts with Coach and goes through I'm sure a number of other people," Warner said. "And they're weighing a lot of different things to come to the final conclusion, whatever that is. You know, so I think that's where it's hard. Everybody looks at two preseason games and thinks, 'Well, that's not enough.' But you have to understand that this process has been going on for a while."

 

[Mitch]

Kurt Warner talks about Matt Leinart's predicament

"Coach has thought long and hard and watched every play since way back when they started this offseason, and the evaluation process starts with Coach and goes through I'm sure a number of other people," Warner said. "And they're weighing a lot of different things to come to the final conclusion, whatever that is. You know, so I think that's where it's hard. Everybody looks at two preseason games and thinks, 'Well, that's not enough.' But you have to understand that this process has been going on for a while."

It sure was significant too, BCF, that when asked in Miami at the Pro Bowl what he thought of ML's chances, KW's response was about as tepid as they come.

KW has tried to act diplomatically recently, but his lack of a ringing endorsement would seem to be on a par with the specualtion that ML's teammates are not in his camp.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

It sure was significant too, BCF, that when asked in Miami at the Pro Bowl what he thought of ML's chances, KW's response was about as tepid as they come.

KW has tried to act diplomatically recently, but his lack of a ringing endorsement would seem to be on a par with the specualtion that ML's teammates are not in his camp.

I agree with you on this.

Sad ending to situation where so many wanted to see him succeed, except ML himself. I still find it hard to believe that he backed one of the best QB's in preparing for games, hard work and knowing how to read a defense and he didn't learn anything.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Kurt Warner talks about Matt Leinart's predicament

"Coach has thought long and hard and watched every play since way back when they started this offseason, and the evaluation process starts with Coach and goes through I'm sure a number of other people," Warner said. "And they're weighing a lot of different things to come to the final conclusion, whatever that is. You know, so I think that's where it's hard. Everybody looks at two preseason games and thinks, 'Well, that's not enough.' But you have to understand that this process has been going on for a while."

Which is even more frustrating that the best the Cards could do is DA instead of pursuing McNabb or Campbell this offseason. Mike Lombardi said tonight that the Cards tried to trade ML to SEA this offseason and even Carrol didn't want him. Yikes.

 

[DoTheDew]

It sure was significant too, BCF, that when asked in Miami at the Pro Bowl what he thought of ML's chances, KW's response was about as tepid as they come.

KW has tried to act diplomatically recently, but his lack of a ringing endorsement would seem to be on a par with the specualtion that ML's teammates are not in his camp.

Sadly I believe it is exactly true that his teammates don't have his back. He may be a jerk or something, I don't know, but I would hope that the players would have each others backs no matter what. This just seems too much like Jr. High School level social ostracizing against Matt, maybe deserved, but still shows a lack of character on his teammates parts, if true.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Mike Lombardi said tonight that the Cards tried to trade ML to SEA this offseason and even Carrol didn't want him. Yikes.

Wow. First I heard of that. His trade value is really low now.

There has to be someone out there looking for a backup, doesn't there?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Add Gruden to the list

Jon Gruden has jumped into the "Lambaste Leinart" parade. "I just say he hasn't performed," Gruden said during Wednesday's Monday Night Football conference call, per Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times. "He hasn't taken advantage of his opportunities. He's clearly been average. He hasn't been a guy who's really taken control and choked the opportunity that's been given to him, and obviously there's something missing there."

Coming from Gruden, who usually says bad things about others only when others aren't listening (or when he assumes they aren't), that's a strong indictment.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...rt-faces-uphill-battle-to-be-a-starter-again/

 

[Mitch]

This thing has turned into a charade and clearly CKW is to blame.

First of all, you demote ML to 2nd string and open up credence to all the nation-wide speculation...

And then CKW actually thinks another NFL team is going to trade for Leinart and pay him $2.56M this year, to be a controversial, much scritinized backup???...and, on top of it---have to deal with the ridiculous salary hike in 2011?

Get real.

Compounding matters is that ML has insisted he wants to go to a team where he can start.

As in the words of the ESPN NFL crew, "C'mon man??!"

Do you think another team wants to take on this media frenzy and have to pay $2.56M for it?

Then there's Whiz's preposterous "coach-speak."

Examples:

"Matt Leinart can play in the league."

Oh yeah?

You've had him for 3 1/2 years and in 3 1/2 weeks Derek Anderson beats him out? And it's not like Anderson has exactly lit the world on fire doing it.

More CKW:

"It's what kind of an impact a QB has on his teammates and how he can command the offense and the respect of his teammates in the huddle...BUT, I am not talking about Matt..."

Oh yeah? Who could you be talking about?

And why is he on the trade block the next day?

And then when all teams like the Bills, Giants and Raiders are adamantly denying any interest in ML...you act like nothing's changed and you're still going to run ML out there in the next pre-season game...when everyone---especially the players---know he's a lame duck?

Here's the thing with Whiz...he did this two years ago...he was pissed that ESPN reported that Warner would be the week 1 starter, and Whiz denied it and waited until the Tuesday of Week 1 to finally announce Warner as the starter.

And this move nearly cost the Cardinals that win in week 1 ON THE ROAD versus the 49ers...Warner did not play well, the offense was not quite in sync and the Cardinals eked out the win versus what was then a very suspect 49ers team...but barely.

These types of distractions are detrimental to a team, especially for a team that needs to focus on Week 1...and a Rams team ON THE ROAD that---if you saw them beat the Patriots a week ago at Gilette Stadium in a game where Sam Bradford looked sensational---is looking much improved and very hungry to make a move.

The worst part is that CKW is toying irresponsibly with the affections of so many fans in Arizona, like we have here at ASFN---who have put their hearts and souls into ML being the QBOF---and making these poor fans die a slow and unnecessarily painful death.

To tease these fans one more time is unconscionable.

Sure Whiz...you're holding onto ML now. In fact, just to prove the Bills, Giants and Raiders wrong, you are going to prove he's still in the plans.

What a desperate ploy.

Very sad all the way around.

And then the last bit of "coach-speak" from CKW..."no, it's not personal. I have a strong affection for Matt."

Wow. Affection? How much humble pie are going to cram down his throat?

 

[freebyrd]

Mike Lombardi said tonight that the Cards tried to trade ML to SEA this offseason and even Carrol didn't want him. Yikes.
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can't say I believe that

 

[Buckybird]

This thing has turned into a charade and clearly CKW is to blame.

First of all, you demote ML to 2nd string and open up credence to all the nation-wide speculation...

And then CKW actually thinks another NFL team is going to trade for Leinart and pay him $2.56M this year, to be a controversial, much scritinized backup???...and, on top of it---have to deal with the ridiculous salary hike in 2011?

Get real.

Compounding matters is that ML has insisted he wants to go to a team where he can start.

As in the words of the ESPN NFL crew, "C'mon man??!"

Do you think another team wants to take on this media frenzy and have to pay $2.56M for it?

Then there's Whiz's preposterous "coach-speak."

Examples:

"Matt Leinart can play in the league."

Oh yeah?

You've had him for 3 1/2 years and in 3 1/2 weeks Derek Anderson beats him out? And it's not like Anderson has exactly lit the world on fire doing it.

More CKW:

"It's what kind of an impact a QB has on his teammates and how he can command the offense and the respect of his teammates in the huddle...BUT, I am not talking about Matt..."

Oh yeah? Who could you be talking about?

And why is he on the trade block the next day?

And then when all teams like the Bills, Giants and Raiders are adamantly denying any interest in ML...you act like nothing's changed and you're still going to run ML out there in the next pre-season game...when everyone---especially the players---know he's a lame duck?

Here's the thing with Whiz...he did this two years ago...he was pissed that ESPN reported that Warner would be the week 1 starter, and Whiz denied it and waited until the Tuesday of Week 1 to finally announce Warner as the starter.

And this move nearly cost the Cardinals that win in week 1 ON THE ROAD versus the 49ers...Warner did not play well, the offense was not quite in sync and the Cardinals eked out the win versus what was then a very suspect 49ers team...but barely.

These types of distractions are detrimental to a team, especially for a team that needs to focus on Week 1...and a Rams team ON THE ROAD that---if you saw them beat the Patriots a week ago at Gilette Stadium in a game where Sam Bradford looked sensational---is looking much improved and very hungry to make a move.

The worst part is that CKW is toying irresponsibly with the affections of so many fans in Arizona, like we have here at ASFN---who have put their hearts and souls into ML being the QBOF---and making these poor fans die a slow and unnecessarily painful death.

To tease these fans one more time is unconscionable.

Sure Whiz...you're holding onto ML now. In fact, just to prove the Bills, Giants and Raiders wrong, you are going to prove he's still in the plans.

What a desperate ploy.

Very sad all the way around.

And then the last bit of "coach-speak" from CKW..."no, it's not personal. I have a strong affection for Matt."

Wow. Affection? How much humble pie are going to cram down his throat?

well said Mitch, kudos my brotha These reasons are exactly why many here are up in arms about this whole "As the World turns" episode.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Whis has handled this very poorly and it is obvious by his actions he wants to humiliate Leinart.

That is why every thing he has done has--in his own words-- been to test how Leinart will react. Its as if he has been trying to bait Leinart to absolutely go ballistic... In light of that ML has shown remarkable restraint IMO.

Whis wants ML to pay and pay dearly for whatever reason. Maybe its because the FO told them to make Leinart work and this is Whis's way of rebelling against the FO machine.

I dont know, what I do know is us fans have been done a great disservice in this off season circus.

The FO had to have known for the past 3-1/2 years that CKW wants nothing to do with ML and they have stranded themselves on Anderson Island without as much as a paddle.

AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!

 

[THESMEL]

This finally shut me up.

Only the Cardinal could kill my passion, and they did effectively and efficiently.

I think it is the wrong move by the thousandth degree, starting with Matty's 19 for 23 with 110+ QB rating, and on down from there.

In Whiz I've lost faith, and if the other players don't his back for stupid reasons it's on them.

 

[Buckybird]

This finally shut me up.

Only the Cardinal could kill my passion, and they did effectively and efficiently.

I think it is the wrong move by the thousandth degree, starting with Matty's 19 for 23 with 110+ QB rating, and on down from there.

In Whiz I've lost faith, and if the other players don't his back for stupid reasons it's on them.

The Lambs, Browns, Bills, Jags & Bucs are desperately seeking fans.

 

[LarryStalling]

The Lambs, Browns, Bills, Jags & Bucs are desperately seeking fans.

Chiefs

 

[82CardsGrad]

This thing has turned into a charade and clearly CKW is to blame.

First of all, you demote ML to 2nd string and open up credence to all the nation-wide speculation...

And then CKW actually thinks another NFL team is going to trade for Leinart and pay him $2.56M this year, to be a controversial, much scritinized backup???...and, on top of it---have to deal with the ridiculous salary hike in 2011?

Get real.

Compounding matters is that ML has insisted he wants to go to a team where he can start.

As in the words of the ESPN NFL crew, "C'mon man??!"

Do you think another team wants to take on this media frenzy and have to pay $2.56M for it?

Then there's Whiz's preposterous "coach-speak."

Examples:

"Matt Leinart can play in the league."

Oh yeah?

You've had him for 3 1/2 years and in 3 1/2 weeks Derek Anderson beats him out? And it's not like Anderson has exactly lit the world on fire doing it.

More CKW:

"It's what kind of an impact a QB has on his teammates and how he can command the offense and the respect of his teammates in the huddle...BUT, I am not talking about Matt..."

Oh yeah? Who could you be talking about?

And why is he on the trade block the next day?

And then when all teams like the Bills, Giants and Raiders are adamantly denying any interest in ML...you act like nothing's changed and you're still going to run ML out there in the next pre-season game...when everyone---especially the players---know he's a lame duck?

Here's the thing with Whiz...he did this two years ago...he was pissed that ESPN reported that Warner would be the week 1 starter, and Whiz denied it and waited until the Tuesday of Week 1 to finally announce Warner as the starter.

And this move nearly cost the Cardinals that win in week 1 ON THE ROAD versus the 49ers...Warner did not play well, the offense was not quite in sync and the Cardinals eked out the win versus what was then a very suspect 49ers team...but barely.

These types of distractions are detrimental to a team, especially for a team that needs to focus on Week 1...and a Rams team ON THE ROAD that---if you saw them beat the Patriots a week ago at Gilette Stadium in a game where Sam Bradford looked sensational---is looking much improved and very hungry to make a move.

The worst part is that CKW is toying irresponsibly with the affections of so many fans in Arizona, like we have here at ASFN---who have put their hearts and souls into ML being the QBOF---and making these poor fans die a slow and unnecessarily painful death.

To tease these fans one more time is unconscionable.

Sure Whiz...you're holding onto ML now. In fact, just to prove the Bills, Giants and Raiders wrong, you are going to prove he's still in the plans.

What a desperate ploy.

Very sad all the way around.

And then the last bit of "coach-speak" from CKW..."no, it's not personal. I have a strong affection for Matt."

Wow. Affection? How much humble pie are going to cram down his throat?

Mitch, I'm confused... exactly what would you prefer to see CKW do?

Are you upset that Matty was demoted?
Are you upset that Matty hasn't been released altogether?

What gives?

 

[conraddobler]

Mitch, I'm confused... exactly what would you prefer to see CKW do?

Are you upset that Matty was demoted?
Are you upset that Matty hasn't been released altogether?

What gives?

It's a circus for no reason IMO.

That's about the sumation of it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It's a circus for no reason IMO.

That's about the sumation of it.

I dunno... CKW made a move that was highly controversial. But one he felt needed to be made. Just not sure how he is to blame for what ensued...

 

[Longcolts]

I dunno... CKW made a move that was highly controversial. But one he felt needed to be made. Just not sure how he is to blame for what ensued...

I don't think it's so much the move that he's made, I think the frustration from all of us is the way that he's gone about it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I don't think it's so much the move that he's made, I think the frustration from all of us is the way that he's gone about it.

That's my point though... I just don't know what he should've done differently once he made the move.
Making the case that he should've made this move way earlier is a valid point I guess... However, that too can be debated as I'm really not sure Whiz should have or could have made this decision any sooner than when he did...

 

[Longcolts]

That's my point though... I just don't know what he should've done differently once he made the move.
Making the case that he should've made this move way earlier is a valid point I guess... However, that too can be debated as I'm really not sure Whiz should have or could have made this decision any sooner than when he did...

Well in my little pea brain, I'm thinking it would have been better for all concerned with just coming out and saying that I'm not happy with the way that the team is responding to Matt, so I've decided to go in a different direction and see if we can do better with Derek as the #1.

 

[azsouthendzone]

This right here is one hell of a post Mitch. I am not as pissed off at the thought of Anderson starting as I am of the way Whisenhunt has handled this. It has been slimy, classless, and quite embarassing. It smells of a massive ego that coudl derail a season before it starts. What a shame.

This thing has turned into a charade and clearly CKW is to blame.

First of all, you demote ML to 2nd string and open up credence to all the nation-wide speculation...

And then CKW actually thinks another NFL team is going to trade for Leinart and pay him $2.56M this year, to be a controversial, much scritinized backup???...and, on top of it---have to deal with the ridiculous salary hike in 2011?

Get real.

Compounding matters is that ML has insisted he wants to go to a team where he can start.

As in the words of the ESPN NFL crew, "C'mon man??!"

Do you think another team wants to take on this media frenzy and have to pay $2.56M for it?

Then there's Whiz's preposterous "coach-speak."

Examples:

"Matt Leinart can play in the league."

Oh yeah?

You've had him for 3 1/2 years and in 3 1/2 weeks Derek Anderson beats him out? And it's not like Anderson has exactly lit the world on fire doing it.

More CKW:

"It's what kind of an impact a QB has on his teammates and how he can command the offense and the respect of his teammates in the huddle...BUT, I am not talking about Matt..."

Oh yeah? Who could you be talking about?

And why is he on the trade block the next day?

And then when all teams like the Bills, Giants and Raiders are adamantly denying any interest in ML...you act like nothing's changed and you're still going to run ML out there in the next pre-season game...when everyone---especially the players---know he's a lame duck?

Here's the thing with Whiz...he did this two years ago...he was pissed that ESPN reported that Warner would be the week 1 starter, and Whiz denied it and waited until the Tuesday of Week 1 to finally announce Warner as the starter.

And this move nearly cost the Cardinals that win in week 1 ON THE ROAD versus the 49ers...Warner did not play well, the offense was not quite in sync and the Cardinals eked out the win versus what was then a very suspect 49ers team...but barely.

These types of distractions are detrimental to a team, especially for a team that needs to focus on Week 1...and a Rams team ON THE ROAD that---if you saw them beat the Patriots a week ago at Gilette Stadium in a game where Sam Bradford looked sensational---is looking much improved and very hungry to make a move.

The worst part is that CKW is toying irresponsibly with the affections of so many fans in Arizona, like we have here at ASFN---who have put their hearts and souls into ML being the QBOF---and making these poor fans die a slow and unnecessarily painful death.

To tease these fans one more time is unconscionable.

Sure Whiz...you're holding onto ML now. In fact, just to prove the Bills, Giants and Raiders wrong, you are going to prove he's still in the plans.

What a desperate ploy.

Very sad all the way around.

And then the last bit of "coach-speak" from CKW..."no, it's not personal. I have a strong affection for Matt."

Wow. Affection? How much humble pie are going to cram down his throat?

 

[azsouthendzone]

I dunno... CKW made a move that was highly controversial. But one he felt needed to be made. Just not sure how he is to blame for what ensued...

You got the "In Whis We Trust" t-shirt on that is why you can't see it. There were numerous ways to handle this differently, just like Jake Plummer could have handled breaking off his engagement differently as well. Whis is an ego-maniac who thrives on this stuff so it isn't as shocking to me as disappointing.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You got the "In Whis We Trust" t-shirt on that is why you can't see it. There were numerous ways to handle this differently, just like Jake Plummer could have handled breaking off his engagement differently as well. Whis is an ego-maniac who thrives on this stuff so it isn't as shocking to me as disappointing.

Naw... no t-shirt. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Gaddabout]

I'm not going to indict Whiz because we have no idea what kind of feedback he's been getting from the FO. This may be Whiz playing the only hand he can play because his FO valued Leinart much more than Whiz does. So Whiz tanks Leinart and makes it almost impossible to keep him now.

Not saying that's reality, just saying that's just as plausible as Whiz being wholly incompetent to manage a QB situation.

 

[azsouthendzone]

This quote from azcardinals.com says a lot.....EGO FREAK

When the press release about the press conference went out to the media, it said nothing but the time. Given the circumstances, it was clear many outlets thought it was about QB Matt Leinart. “I was a little tickled when I saw the people here, because I knew the expectation,” coach Ken Whisenhunt said with a smile.

Tickled? Really Ken? It's all about you isn't it? I will admit, I do not like the guy. Never have, never will, dating back to year one. I will ALWAYS cheer on the Cardinals, but I will never, ever, be a fan of this guy who stabs players in the back and divides locker rooms. I gave him the benefit of the doubt with Boldin but now I think there was a lot to what Boldin was saying. If one of the greatest players ever to wear our jersey doesn't like the guy it speaks volumes. I think this guy thrives off of feeling like the big man on campus and with this situation he has exposed himself. After the 6 win Anderson experiment the "In Whis We Trust" crap will be dead.