Kyler Murray has been working out since Jan

[Minski]

Don’t understand all this. How do we know he hasn’t been working out with a QB guru?

 

[BigRedRage]

Well nothing left to see here

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[QuebecCard]

He has those for what? Less than 6 months of the year, and apart from possibly a few weeks in OTA's where they are in pads at full speed they don't have much time during the season to teach fundamentals. They are breaking down previous games, watching tape of upcoming opponents, doing weekly installs and game plans etc. And that's even if you think a 33 year old with 3 years as an assistant should be given the keys to the Ferrari in the first place. Which is another story.

But if you ask why does he need it well why is 9 year vet Russell Wilson training with Drew Brees in the off season?

Why has Mahomes, Watson, Allen and Burrow been coached by guys like Jordan Palmer in the offseason? Why have Brady, Ryan, Stafford, Brees, Goff, Dalton, Eli Manning, and Flacco among others trained with House and Dedeaux (now 3DQB) in the offseason?

Why has Ryan, Prescott, Brees, Zach Wilson, Fields and Lance and others worked with John Beck in the offseason?

Why do other QB's, including seasoned vets, think off season coaching is required but our raw, inexperienced 2 year QB doesn't? Here we have @Chopper0080 saying Kyler is behind the curve because of his lack of college playing time. So wouldn't some intense coaching by specialist QB guru's in the months where neither Kliff or Cam Turner are allowed contact with him help him make up some of that ground? It certainly can't hurt.

There are only 4 possible reasons I can think of that he's not,

1, The Cards prohibit it (I don't see that at all. All other QB's do it and why would they hold him back? Plus I'm not sure they can legally tell him not to in the offseason)

2, He thinks he doesn't need it. He's already great (This is my biggest concern, because he isn't)

3, He just can't be bothered and would rather work out at the gym, play COD and chill with his boys.

4, He thinks the high school level coaching his Dad can give him is enough

5. Caveat: I offer all of these thoughts without a clue as to what KM is actually doing to prepare for this season. However, whatever it is it isn't enough.

 

[BritCard]

Don’t understand all this. How do we know he hasn’t been working out with a QB guru?

They ain't secret underground camps. Every QB that ever trained with a QB guru is reported. If not the player or the coach themselves putting out videos or press releases then the media pick it up and have little else to report. Or another QB in attendance let's it out.

He hasn't and I'll happily put a hundred bucks on it so it doesn't get mentioned again. Especially as his physical trainer said he's been working out in his gym every day since Jan.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

They ain't secret underground camps.

Don't take this wrong

But with you being a Brit and using "ain't" made me laugh

I always thought it was American slang and the Brits are so proper

I watch a lot of BBC shows and I've never heard it used

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Again Britcard, Kurt Warner has already said that the QB tutoring is nonsense. QBs will know what prepares them for the season the best.

Just because it worked for one guy doesn't create causality for everyone.

Edit: And I think Warner knows more about it than some internet jags

 

[gimpy]

Nothing on here is 100% perfect or true when talking about people. What some might need or know, others will not, or might need /think they need something else, or maybe nothing at all. And because Kurt Warner said it, doesn't necessarily mean it is true.

 

[Minski]

Every QB that ever trained with a QB guru is reported.

You do have a tendency to talk in absolutes. My favourites have been “Simmons is actually a safety” and “Collins will play OLB”.

I do hope Kyler can show you that he has improved this year though.

 

[SECTION 11]

They ain't secret underground camps. Every QB that ever trained with a QB guru is reported. If not the player or the coach themselves putting out videos or press releases then the media pick it up and have little else to report. Or another QB in attendance let's it out.

He hasn't and I'll happily put a hundred bucks on it so it doesn't get mentioned again. Especially as his physical trainer said he's been working out in his gym every day since Jan.

I don’t think you understand。

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

They ain't secret underground camps. Every QB that ever trained with a QB guru is reported. If not the player or the coach themselves putting out videos or press releases then the media pick it up and have little else to report. Or another QB in attendance let's it out.

He hasn't and I'll happily put a hundred bucks on it so it doesn't get mentioned again. Especially as his physical trainer said he's been working out in his gym every day since Jan.

Please provide a list of QB coaches that starting QBs around the league are working with and a link to this easily accessible information.

 

[Russ Smith]

Our 2nd game with Seattle, the Thur night loss where Kyler hurt the shoulder was on NFL net last night. I taped it and watched the first half this morning while eating breakfast.

You want to see the potential impact of the Hudson signing that's a good game to watch. We came in with the # overall offense off the buffalo win on the Hail Murray by D Hop. Seattles defense was playing horribly. That entire first half you can see over and over they get penetration up the middle and blow up plays. even the play where Kyler initially gets hurt the initial protection is ok but nobody is open so he tries to step up the middle and the Seattle player simply discards the C and takes Kyler down falling on his shoulder. At one point 5 of the 6 pass plays Seattle got penetration and mostly up the middle. On the TD drive the big play is a 25 yard pass from Kyler to Maxx Williams, on that one the initial penetration is up the middle so Kyler rolls left, the LB comes in and buries him but he gets the ball off and throws a strike to Maxx.

So I think Hudson is going to make a large difference. There's a point in the first half where Troy Aikman says something like for people who say Murray throws off his back foot too much, he does, but if you're watching this half it's apparent why, he just doesn't have a gap to step up into on most of these plays.

 

[BritCard]

Don't take this wrong

But with you being a Brit and using "ain't" made me laugh

I always thought it was American slang and the Brits are so proper

I watch a lot of BBC shows and I've never heard it used

Everyone British (or pretending to be) on TV talks with a posh accent (or at least "the queens english"). Very few people talk like that in real life. At least not where I was raised!

 

[BritCard]

Again Britcard, Kurt Warner has already said that the QB tutoring is nonsense. QBs will know what prepares them for the season the best.

Just because it worked for one guy doesn't create causality for everyone.

Edit: And I think Warner knows more about it than some internet jags

I mean, that's just Warner's personal opinion. It doesn't make it true.

And it goes against what several dozen top flight NFL quarterbacks have done.

 

[BritCard]

You do have a tendency to talk in absolutes. My favourites have been “Simmons is actually a safety” and “Collins will play OLB”.

I do hope Kyler can show you that he has improved this year though.

I just don't see the need to write "I think" in front of every proposition on an internet forum where everything is 100% opinion.

When someone brings it up it always reminds me of "The Good Wife/The Good Fight" which I'm guessing doesn't get much play in Arizona but is a good show. There's a judge that insists all lawyers in her court end every statement with "in my opinion". Like it isn't obvious.

When you write "Jordan Hicks sucks" I don't need you to write "I think" to know that's just your personal thought. Even though it may be shared by others.

 

[juza76]

I just don't see the need to write "I think" in front of every proposition on an internet forum where everything is 100% opinion.

When someone brings it up it always reminds me of "The Good Wife/The Good Fight" which I'm guessing doesn't get much play in Arizona but is a good show. There's a judge that insists all lawyers in her court end every statement with "in my opinion". Like it isn't obvious.

When you write "Jordan Hicks sucks" I don;t need you to write "I think" to know that's just your personal thought. Even though it may be shared by others.

Yes but if u say Jordan Hicks sucks is based on something we watched on the field, so u can just differ about his level of suckage but he was clearly bad
When u say collins is going to play OLB when he was a full time ILB is a bit of a stretch, fortunately Keim very few minuts later stated he is going to play ILB, otherwise u would have kept saying it till September

 

[BritCard]

Yes but if u say Jordan Hicks sucks is based on something we watched on the field, so u can just differ about his level of suckage but he was clearly bad
When u say collins is going to play OLB when he was a full time ILB is a bit of a stretch, fortunately Keim very few minuts later stated he is going to play ILB, otherwise u would have kept saying it till September

Either way do I really have to explain it to you that it's my opinion on the 100% fan opinion board? Or when I write "Collins will be an OLB" can I just assume you know I don't have a direct line to the Cards FO?

And while you didn't bring it up, if you go back and read what I said about Collins I said

"OLB was always a big need and we got one and even if I'm wrong and they intend to play him at ILB I like him there too. He has everything you need to play Mike and Simmons has everything required to play Mo."

 

[blindseyed]

I did a vote** and here are the results

126% - Kyler isn't working out , too much time on video games and needs a QB Guru ,
13% - The off season is boring and gets so overblown


(**Dominion voting machines were used for this vote)

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I did a vote** and here are the results

126% - Kyler isn't working out , too much time on video games and needs a QB Guru ,
13% - The off season is boring and gets so overblown


(**Dominion voting machines were used for this vote)

Lol

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Here is a breakdown video of KM by Warner.

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[SoonerLou]

OTA's tomorrow right? Maybe we'll hear from him.

 

[SoonerLou]

Every time I watch breakdowns I keep thinking man we should have kept Dan Arnold.

 

[Proximo]

Every time I watch breakdowns I keep thinking man we should have kept Dan Arnold.

yeah me too. He made half our big pass plays last season.

 

[Buckybird]

yeah me too. He made half our big pass plays last season.

You definitely won’t get those big plays from the TEs on our roster. Max is pretty damn slow

 

[BritCard]

Every time I watch breakdowns I keep thinking man we should have kept Dan Arnold.

They are plays you would expect anyone we have in the slot to make though right? I like Arnold, but I'd expect Kirk or Moore to make those same plays.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

They are plays you would expect anyone we have in the slot to make though right? I like Arnold, but I'd expect Kirk or Moore to make those same plays.

How tall are they? How tall is Arnold? Uh yeahhhhhhh . . .