L.J. Shelton Trade

[SMAC]

I hope the Cardinals trade Shelton as most good teams do with commodities. It has been our preference just to release guys onto the open market. Other than Starks going to the Pats, the Cards very rarely deal players for picks. Maybe we can unload Shelton to team that didn't get a LT in free agency or the draft for say a 3rd and no lower than a 4th in '06. Also, we might want to look at the TE position through trade or see what's still available in free agency.

 

[TigToad]

I don't

I hope we keep Shelton. He is very valuable as depth or possibly a starter. If he's good enough that we can justify the amount we think we should have received for him, he's certainly good enough to make this team and contribute.

 

[kerouac9]

NO ONE WANTED L.J. SHELTON. His value is less than a 3rd round pick. That's how it his. His salary now FAR EXCEEDS his value to any team in the National Football League. That was the message of this draft.

He'll probably be cut.

 

[ThunderCard]

We still have 7+ million left on our cap. We have had two straight great years through drafting and free agency. I know this year is still up for grabs, but I am pretty confident it will be better than last year.

My point being is we have tons of cash still and he is a good Tackle. I like the idea of Shelton staying for Depth and you never know what might happen. For 4 years Shelton was our best O-Lineman and I seem to think people have short memories of that. He was one of the only guys that consistantly brought his A game for the Cards. I say keep him and show teams what they missed out on ....

 

[CardShark]

I think the keep him and cut Clement. If they don't trade him.

 

[BigRedArk]

NO ONE WANTED L.J. SHELTON. His value is less than a 3rd round pick. That's how it his. His salary now FAR EXCEEDS his value to any team in the National Football League. That was the message of this draft.

He'll probably be cut.

You would rather keep Clement I presume?

 

[kerouac9]

We still have 7+ million left on our cap. We have had two straight great years through drafting and free agency. I know this year is still up for grabs, but I am pretty confident it will be better than last year.

My point being is we have tons of cash still and he is a good Tackle. I like the idea of Shelton staying for Depth and you never know what might happen. For 4 years Shelton was our best O-Lineman and I seem to think people have short memories of that. He was one of the only guys that consistantly brought his A game for the Cards. I say keep him and show teams what they missed out on ....

Just because he was the player that sucked the least for a while, don't confuse that with being good. The message of the offseason so far is that L.J. Shelton is the most overvalued player in this organization. I'm betting that we would have taken a third-round pick for Shelton, and no one offered anything once they started watching tape on him.

He's the offensive version of Raynoch Thompson. If what we saw for his first four years was his "A" game (remember, when we sucked really bad, all the time), then I don't know if he deserves a spot on the team.

The only people that are impressed with Shelton still reside on this board.

 

[CardShark]

Those awful lines that he played on really brought the interest down. But isn't amazing how quickly Pete Kendall was signed when he was set free? Teams are counting on the Cards to cut him.

 

[ThunderCard]

I think the keep him and cut Clement. If they don't trade him.

I am with you. I think a good scenario on our O-Line at this point subtracting Clement out of the picture all together. The guy is huge and should have been great, but he gets beat by everyone. Bull rushers plow him and speed rushers go right through or around him. With his height / weight / and wingspan you would have thought he was great. Time to dump the Cement

 

[kerouac9]

You would rather keep Clement I presume?

I suppose. What's the difference? They played about the same last season when in the lineup. It's just that one knows his role (Clement) and the other's complaining about not getting a chance (Shelton).

I'd rather keep the guy that's bought into the program as the backup. Besides, it's not Clement that's on the chopping block; it's Shelton.

 

[CardShark]

I suppose. What's the difference? They played about the same last season when in the lineup. It's just that one knows his role (Clement) and the other's complaining about not getting a chance (Shelton).

I'd rather keep the guy that's bought into the program as the backup. Besides, it's not Clement that's on the chopping block; it's Shelton.

In all fairness Shelton had just come back from knee surgery and was playing out of position.

 

[az jam]

Doesn't look like he has any trade value. What is the cap hit if we cut him? I can't see Denny keeping him especially since he said publicly that he wanted out.

 

[ThunderCard]

One thing I want to see this year is to get Denny Green more draft picks in the third and fourth rounds. He just seems to find gems there !!

 

[joeshmo]

If both are fine in the locker room, and we have no plans for our remianing cap space, or plans for a roster spot they will take up, I say we just keep them both, might as well.

 

[BigRedArk]

I suppose. What's the difference? They played about the same last season when in the lineup. It's just that one knows his role (Clement) and the other's complaining about not getting a chance (Shelton).

I'd rather keep the guy that's bought into the program as the backup. Besides, it's not Clement that's on the chopping block; it's Shelton.

I dunno, Shelton seem to have a pretty good attitude about playing RT last year. Especially since he was so adamant about not being willing to play anything but LT.

 

[AntSports Steve]

Like I said on a previous post, the Cards can not cut Shelton now as no NFL team will trade with the Cards again. Why make a trade, when you can wait and get the player for free.

 

[CardShark]

Doesn't look like he has any trade value. What is the cap hit if we cut him? I can't see Denny keeping him especially since he said publicly that he wanted out.

I thought Green appeared in a press conference stating that Shelton will be here next season.

 

[kerouac9]

In all fairness Shelton had just come back from knee surgery and was playing out of position.

Boo hoo. Stay in shape. You know that there's a new sheriff in town.

In all fairness, there are plenty of excuses being made on this board for L.J. Shelton, but the fact of the matter is despite John's assertion that he could start for half the teams in the NFL, none of them were willing to give up anything for him, and we had to replace him with a free agent.

He wasn't that good before, and now he's coming back from a knee injury that landed him on IR. Will he again show up fat?

 

[ThunderCard]

Just because he was the player that sucked the least for a while, don't confuse that with being good. The message of the offseason so far is that L.J. Shelton is the most overvalued player in this organization. I'm betting that we would have taken a third-round pick for Shelton, and no one offered anything once they started watching tape on him.

He's the offensive version of Raynoch Thompson. If what we saw for his first four years was his "A" game (remember, when we sucked really bad, all the time), then I don't know if he deserves a spot on the team.

The only people that are impressed with Shelton still reside on this board.

I just don't see the guy getting cut. Even last year he was not so bad moving to the right side. He picked up things well and he might have taken Denny's advise to get much stronger in the off-season. What we need to do is cut Cement and convince Shelton to play the 6th man on the line. He needs to be ready for Guard or Tackle duty next year and suck it up ...

If he does not then I agree he is like Raynoch and just cut him... If they do end up cuting him then at least make sure he does not go to the Bills.

 

[ThunderCard]

Also another mistake about cutting Shelton and I know this has been talked a lot about on this board. If we cut him on June 1st or anywhere else then teams will always wait until we cut our players instead of trading for them. That in itself might be worth the 3 million a year ....

 

[CardShark]

Boo hoo. Stay in shape. You know that there's a new sheriff in town.

In all fairness, there are plenty of excuses being made on this board for L.J. Shelton, but the fact of the matter is despite John's assertion that he could start for half the teams in the NFL, none of them were willing to give up anything for him, and we had to replace him with a free agent.

He wasn't that good before, and now he's coming back from a knee injury that landed him on IR. Will he again show up fat?

He's alot better than you recall. It was always the right side of the line where we had a problem. That was Clement and our perennial backup Dishman. They were horrible. I'm not saying the LJ didn't get beat. All OT's give up sacks at some point. I'm also not comparing him to Pace. But he is better than at least a third of the starters in the league now.
As for showing up in shape, I think he understands more.

 

[JeffGollin]

If both are fine in the locker room, and we have no plans for our remianing cap space, or plans for a roster spot they will take up, I say we just keep them both, might as well.
None of us know what's been said back & forth between LJ & his agent and the Cardinals.

My hope is that this was all positioned as "doing business" within the lines of enlightened self-interest (i.e. LJ was allowed to pursue a trade and came up snake eyes), there was nothing personal, the way things played out, he'll be back and there's an opportunity for him to remain a productive part of the Cardinal organization.

The definition of "professional" involves not getting sidetracked by petty outside influences, dealing with the reality of each situation and doing the best job you can under the circumstances.

If LJ and the Cards can come to that understanding, I think LJ Shelton - as a starter at any position along the o-line - or backup swingman can help us.

 

[CardShark]

Don't forget the horriffic line coaching we had then as well. Hopefully it's resolved now.

 

[JasonKGME]

Just because he was the player that sucked the least for a while, don't confuse that with being good. The message of the offseason so far is that L.J. Shelton is the most overvalued player in this organization. I'm betting that we would have taken a third-round pick for Shelton, and no one offered anything once they started watching tape on him.

He's the offensive version of Raynoch Thompson. If what we saw for his first four years was his "A" game (remember, when we sucked really bad, all the time), then I don't know if he deserves a spot on the team.

The only people that are impressed with Shelton still reside on this board.

By your logic that noone traded for him during the draft makes him a crappy player, I assume you feel the same about Henry since he didnt get traded either.

 

[az jam]

I thought Green appeared in a press conference stating that Shelton will be here next season.

I just was listening to today's press conference. Graves said that he is under contract and still a member of the Cardinals until a decision is made. You can interpret that any way. I don't think they will keep him on the team. I'm in agreement with most on the board that he would provide solid backup for the line. However, I think he will be gone. Hope I'm wrong.