Larry Foote: Lynch sends wrong message

[dreamcastrocks]

That's a completely different issue.

Foote grew up in a rough innercity just like Lynch. So he is mearly pointing out why he thinks Lynch's actions are doing more harm than good.

He got out, and he got out the right way.

I have mixed feelings about this. Do I think that it is wrong for him to grab his crotch as he taunted his opponents, yes. Do I think that it is wrong that he is forced to give interviews if he doesn't want to? yes.

It's all about perception and perspective. Foote can't just say that he should respect authority and leave it at that. In science class kids are taught to question authority. Besides, the NFL as an authority figure has had a pretty shotty record as of late.

 

[BigRedRage]

There's another report out there that says only one of the balls were seriously deflated, not all but one.

of course in the twitter age we would have 15 different scenarios reported as facts, why not!

 

[Russ Smith]

Why are you hung up on crotch grabbing?

Foote is refering to Lynch's overall demeaner of I don't care if you fine me. I'll do it anyways or just find a way around it. Like him answering every question with the same stupid response so he doesnt get fined.

That was his specific example of Lynch preaching do it my way so I used it.

I just think the far worse lesson for any kid to learn is that cheating is ok if you win by doing it.

That's one of the big reasons Lance Armstrong bothered me so much all those years, it created a culture where everyone felt they had to cheat to keep up. I think the NFL has to really come down on the Pats if they don't want a similar issue with other teams cheating to get ahead.

 

[Russ Smith]

He got out, and he got out the right way.

I have mixed feelings about this. Do I think that it is wrong for him to grab his crotch as he taunted his opponents, yes. Do I think that it is wrong that he is forced to give interviews if he doesn't want to? yes.

It's all about perception and perspective. Foote can't just say that he should respect authority and leave it at that. In science class kids are taught to question authority. Besides, the NFL as an authority figure has had a pretty shotty record as of late.

Yep the world would still be flat if nobody ever questioned it.

 

[MadCardDisease]

He got out, and he got out the right way.

I have mixed feelings about this. Do I think that it is wrong for him to grab his crotch as he taunted his opponents, yes. Do I think that it is wrong that he is forced to give interviews if he doesn't want to? yes.

It's all about perception and perspective. Foote can't just say that he should respect authority and leave it at that. In science class kids are taught to question authority. Besides, the NFL as an authority figure has had a pretty shotty record as of late.

But it's more than just respecting authority. The NFL is a business. It's part of Lynch's job to do interviews according to the NFL.

Just as in the real world people are asked to do things for their jobs. If my boss came up and asked me to do something that is in my job description I had better do it or I might be getting a pink slip very soon.

That is the point that Foote is trying to make. Kids see Lynch doing the same dumb thing over and over even though he was asked not to. But because he is still a star player in the NFL he is able to keep his job. In a real world job that isn't the case most of the time.

 

[BigRedRage]

But it's more than just respecting authority. The NFL is a business. It's part of Lynch's job to do interviews according to the NFL.

Just as in the real world people are asked to do things for their jobs. If my boss came up and asked me to do something that is in my job description I had better do it or I might be getting a pink slip very soon.

That is the point that Foote is trying to make. Kids see Lynch doing the same dumb thing over and over even though he was asked not to. But because he is still a star player in the NFL he is able to keep his job. In a real world job that isn't the case most of the time.

IMO you cant compare NFL jobs to real jobs.

But lets compare it to a sales job.

If you arent the best salesman in the company, you best adhere to all policies. If you are the best salesman in the company, you do whatever you want, within reason.

No different. Lynch is the best salesman on their team and one of the best in the league. He gets more leash than andre roberts does.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

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That is awesome. So stealing that.

 

[Big Deal]

That is awesome. So stealing that.

You're sending the wrong message!

 

[Russ Smith]

But it's more than just respecting authority. The NFL is a business. It's part of Lynch's job to do interviews according to the NFL.

Just as in the real world people are asked to do things for their jobs. If my boss came up and asked me to do something that is in my job description I had better do it or I might be getting a pink slip very soon.

That is the point that Foote is trying to make. Kids see Lynch doing the same dumb thing over and over even though he was asked not to. But because he is still a star player in the NFL he is able to keep his job. In a real world job that isn't the case most of the time.

I'm nitpicking but talking ot the media is in his contract, not his job description, his job description is NFL RB. And again, he has no say in that, it's not like he could have negotiated that out of his contract.

I guess where I differ with you and Foote is I don't think Lynch does that interview stuff because he thinks he's above it and doesn't respect authority. I think Lynch does it because he legitimately does NOT like talking in public particularly to large groups of reporters.

He is trying to make a point, I don't like doing it, there's absolutely no rationale for why I am required to do it, but since it's a rule I will abide by the rule.

 

[Russ Smith]

IMO you cant compare NFL jobs to real jobs.

But lets compare it to a sales job.

If you arent the best salesman in the company, you best adhere to all policies. If you are the best salesman in the company, you do whatever you want, within reason.

No different. Lynch is the best salesman on their team and one of the best in the league. He gets more leash than andre roberts does.

THe other point is what Dockett said, why does Lynch get fined for not doing that, but nobody seems to care that they let a guy with a probable concussion play in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl by simply ignoring multiple "commands" from a medical guy to have him checked out?

It's insane the NFL places more value on pre game interviews than player safety.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

You're sending the wrong message!

 

[PDXChris]

I'm nitpicking but talking ot the media is in his contract, not his job description, his job description is NFL RB. And again, he has no say in that, it's not like he could have negotiated that out of his contract.

I guess where I differ with you and Foote is I don't think Lynch does that interview stuff because he thinks he's above it and doesn't respect authority. I think Lynch does it because he legitimately does NOT like talking in public particularly to large groups of reporters.

He is trying to make a point, I don't like doing it, there's absolutely no rationale for why I am required to do it, but since it's a rule I will abide by the rule.

Not to nitpick, but it is in the Collective Bargaining Agreement, one that he and his peers agreed to so that they and the owners can continue to make money.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

You're sending the wrong message!

 

[Russ Smith]

Not to nitpick, but it is in the Collective Bargaining Agreement, one that he and his peers agreed to so that they and the owners can continue to make money.

Sure but do you really think the average player has any say in that? You think the player reps ask all their guys hey do you have a problem with us being required to talk to the media?

He doesn't have the option of opting out of that, if he did, he would.

 

[PDXChris]

Sure but do you really think the average player has any say in that? You think the player reps ask all their guys hey do you have a problem with us being required to talk to the media?

He doesn't have the option of opting out of that, if he did, he would.

He is an average player?

He doesn't have to play in the NFL. This is been a part of the agreement long before he was a player, so he could have choose a different career path. Instead, he is making millions a year and cashing those checks without thinking twice. Based on your statement, he could smoke pot. It is part of the rules and in agreement too and there is no cheating involved. Really no differenct than not want to to talk to the media, but the NFL enforces both.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I taunt in the inner city for 8 years, it takes one Lynch to undo the work of a dozen Larry Footes.

Maybe you shouldn't taunt your students then!

Seriously though, I agree with Foote for the most part.

 

[conraddobler]

I guess you missed a few years ago when they were caught taping against the rules.

Or you missed the reports that the NFL has the video of a Patriots employee taking all 24 balls into the bathroom? If that report is correct, they cheated. People keep saying maybe the balls deflated due to the temperature, yet somehow none of the balls the Colts were using deflated but 11 of the 12 the Pats had did?

I think it's obvious the balls were intentionally deflated, it's preposterous to suggest some rogue employee did it and none of the coaches or players had any idea.

BTW I will post my prediction now on what the Patriots employees excuse will be for why he took the balls into the bathroom. "I was on my way out to the field when I realized I better go pee before I go out there. The balls aren't supposed to be tampered with before the game so I thought I better bring them in there with me just to keep them safe."

For what it's worth I agree that as a concept it's much worse.

One goes to sportsmanship one goes to actual honor, the two ideas are vastly different and while we could all use a lot more sportsmanship I'd rather lose to a poor sport fair and square than to a pristinely sportsmanlike cheater any day.

 

[conraddobler]

THe other point is what Dockett said, why does Lynch get fined for not doing that, but nobody seems to care that they let a guy with a probable concussion play in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl by simply ignoring multiple "commands" from a medical guy to have him checked out?

It's insane the NFL places more value on pre game interviews than player safety.

Yeah and what will come of that or the deflate gate?

A missed draft pick maybe at the most which is actually saving the organization money when you think about it and hardly IMO a fitting punishment.

5 years banishment from the playoffs, firing the coach, the GM, all that might begin to do it justice.

When they got caught taping they lost the 32nd pick that year in the draft, big deal.

 

[Russ Smith]

He is an average player?

He doesn't have to play in the NFL. This is been a part of the agreement long before he was a player, so he could have choose a different career path. Instead, he is making millions a year and cashing those checks without thinking twice. Based on your statement, he could smoke pot. It is part of the rules and in agreement too and there is no cheating involved. Really no differenct than not want to to talk to the media, but the NFL enforces both.

He's not Tom Brady, Brady wanted more control over the football so he lobbied the NFL to change the rules, and they did(along with Peyton Manning). and yet people still want to believe Brady told the truth about not being involved in deflate gate. now if Tom Brady and Manning got up and said they didn't want to do mandatory interviews anymore the NFL might take notice, for whatever reason QB's are treated differently.

Well unless he has a medical pot card no he can't legally smoke pot. He can legally not talk to the media, but the NFL will fine him for it.

Sure he could be doing something else but that goes back to the original point of his foundation, he doesn't want kids in Oakland growing up thinking their choices are drug dealer, pimp, gang member or maybe professional athlete. He wants them to think they have other options. When he was growing up, he didn't really think he did, the way he saw it his only way out was sports.

His uncle is ex Cardinal Lorenzo Lynch but from what I gather, Lorenzo wasn't particularly well off, marshawn's dad was not involved in is life, so he grew up like lots of kids from Oakland single parent family with not much money.

He was a great athlete so he chose that route.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah and what will come of that or the deflate gate?

A missed draft pick maybe at the most which is actually saving the organization money when you think about it and hardly IMO a fitting punishment.

5 years banishment from the playoffs, firing the coach, the GM, all that might begin to do it justice.

When they got caught taping they lost the 32nd pick that year in the draft, big deal.

There was a suspension and big fine too but yep they were so hard hit by that penalty, apparently the following season they decided to start deflating footballs when the NFL changed the rules.

 

[TigToad]

So true...sadly and often tragically so.

Kudos to you, my friend! That's God's work you were doing for 8 years. I bet you helped change a lot of lives in your tenure there---many of which you may not even know about.

Yeah, I feel kinda guilty that I teach in a pretty middle class neighborhood now. (Also, teacher High School BTW)

 

[TigToad]

Maybe you shouldn't taunt your students then!

Seriously though, I agree with Foote for the most part.

Well played.

 

[Reddog]

I guess I'm confused why Lynch is a worse role model for these kids than what the Patriots did with the inflate gate stuff?

Foote has a point about some of what Lynch does, I just don't see why he didn't also call out Belichick or Brady.

Because the kids he is referring to don't look up to either of those guys because they don't come from places like Lynch and Foote come from.

 

[PDXChris]

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Well unless he has a medical pot card no he can't legally smoke pot. He can legally not talk to the media, but the NFL will fine him for it
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Ummmm, last I knew pot was 100% legal in Washington. Has been for some time now.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Frankly, I think it is hilarious and sad that football players and fans think that football's role in society is so important that we should care what Foote says or Lynch does in my opinion