League to consider punishments for flopping.

[Phrazbit]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8069250/nba-weighs-retroactive-penalties-floppers

Good. We discussed this in another thread. Hopefully they really do something serious about it. I've stumbled into some soccer this week with the Euro on and the level of flopping is disgusting and you can see the NBA heading in that direction. The players sit here an whine about the officials and how they shouldnt decide games but they give the officials no other choice in many instances by hitting the ground everytime a defender makes a good play on them or a ball handler gets passed.

Hit em hard Stern. A league without flopping would be beautiful and would be a good step back to the hard nosed but beautiful game of basketballs golden age in the 80s.

 

[Joe Mama]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8069250/nba-weighs-retroactive-penalties-floppers

Good. We discussed this in another thread. Hopefully they really do something serious about it. I've stumbled into some soccer this week with the Euro on and the level of flopping is disgusting and you can see the NBA heading in that direction. The players sit here an whine about the officials and how they shouldnt decide games but they give the officials no other choice in many instances by hitting the ground everytime a defender makes a good play on them or a ball handler gets passed.

Hit em hard Stern. A league without flopping would be beautiful and would be a good step back to the hard nosed but beautiful game of basketballs golden age in the 80s.

I really just don't see how this works. The only thing I could see that would be enforceable would be if you had video where there was no contact and a guy fell down. Besides, this wouldn't take you back to the 80s. It would take you back to the late 90s and early 00s unless it goes in conjunction with the referees actually calling fouls.

Joe Mama

 

[Mainstreet]

If the referees would have ignored flopping and not give any benefit to the flopper I think it would have gone away on it's own. Sadly it has been ingrained in the NBA. The theatrics need to stop.

I think flopping should be treated as a personal foul but I think the referees will still misinterpret the rule such as players who legitimately try to take a charge or when a player stops his dribble and another player falls over him. I do believe a player is entitled to his space on the floor.

In addition to a player being called for a foul for flopping, flopping fouls should be totaled and when the offending player reaches a certain number, he must serve a suspension.

 

[Phrazbit]

I really just don't see how this works. The only thing I could see that would be enforceable would be if you had video where there was no contact and a guy fell down. Besides, this wouldn't take you back to the 80s. It would take you back to the late 90s and early 00s unless it goes in conjunction with the referees actually calling fouls.

Joe Mama

The idea is that the referees would be more apt to call fouls because there is less suspicion that 90% of the time a guy hits the floor he is taking a dive.

 

[mojorizen7]

Its too late for that.

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[95pro]

just review film afterwards and fine them, simple as that. once players find that their wallet is hurting a little bit, they'll stop. Since those that usaully take charges are lesser paid players relative to the league's superstars. that way players will make a legitimate attempt at taking a charge and refs will not be forced to give the offensive player the advantage. this is a tough thing to officiate as the league let it come this far where flopping is a skill and an art form.

 

[SunsTzu]

just review film afterwards and fine them, simple as that. once players find that their wallet is hurting a little bit, they'll stop. Since those that usaully take charges are lesser paid players relative to the league's superstars. that way players will make a legitimate attempt at taking a charge and refs will not be forced to give the offensive player the advantage. this is a tough thing to officiate as the league let it come this far where flopping is a skill and an art form.

Flopping isn't just charges, usually the worst flops are the offensive players trying to sell that they were fouled, and superstars are some of the worst offenders.

I think when games are reviewed and players are shown to have flopped it should count as a tech. They get a small fine and if they get enough they start getting suspended.

 

[Joe Mama]

just review film afterwards and fine them, simple as that. once players find that their wallet is hurting a little bit, they'll stop. Since those that usaully take charges are lesser paid players relative to the league's superstars. that way players will make a legitimate attempt at taking a charge and refs will not be forced to give the offensive player the advantage. this is a tough thing to officiate as the league let it come this far where flopping is a skill and an art form.

yes, simple as that. How are they going to determine what is a flop and what is not?

Joe

 

[elindholm]

yes, simple as that. How are they going to determine what is a flop and what is not?

That challenge doesn't bother me. How do they determine what is a foul and what isn't? What is or is not a flagrant? What is or is not palming? What is or is not too much complaining after a call? They have guidelines and they make some attempt (we are told) to apply them consistently, knowing that sometimes they'll make mistakes anyway. That's the way it goes. Issuing fines for flopping should fall in the same category.

 

[95pro]

if there's one thing that people respond to, it's money lol

 

[Joe Mama]

That challenge doesn't bother me. How do they determine what is a foul and what isn't? What is or is not a flagrant? What is or is not palming? What is or is not too much complaining after a call? They have guidelines and they make some attempt (we are told) to apply them consistently, knowing that sometimes they'll make mistakes anyway. That's the way it goes. Issuing fines for flopping should fall in the same category.

a foul might be difficult to call at regular game speed, but when you go back and look at it in slow motion it's fairly straightforward. The same thing goes for palming and traveling for the most part. But on flopping you are talking about judging to what degree a player is over emphasizing contact. That is unless you are going to limit it to only the most egregious flops where the player actually fakes the contact altogether. I guess I just really want to see some examples of what they would fine and how much those fines would be. Again, I think there are some other things they could do with the referees that would be easier and would do more to make the game better.

Joe

 

[SO91]

That challenge doesn't bother me. How do they determine what is a foul and what isn't? What is or is not a flagrant? What is or is not palming? What is or is not too much complaining after a call? They have guidelines and they make some attempt (we are told) to apply them consistently, knowing that sometimes they'll make mistakes anyway. That's the way it goes. Issuing fines for flopping should fall in the same category.

According to Steve Javie, they call a foul if a player's rhythm, speed, quickness, or balance is affected or compromised. This only encourages players to overreact to contact when going to the basket for example, in order to get the call. Seems absurd to me.