Leinart Contract/Negotiations Discussion

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kerouac9 said:
Aren't we putting the cart before the horse here? We've won 11 games in the past two seasons.

If you never look forward and keep looking back, you'll never get there. You can't change the past but you can make the future whatever you want. If you don't believe we are on the right track, you are entitled to your opinion. I certainly don't agree with you and since I am an optimist and you are a pessimist, we probably never will agree. What's the use of rooting for a team if you don't like anything about it?
 

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anyone see this guy leinert on punked? he sold out his best friend - he could careless about the cards
 

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40yearfan said:
If you never look forward and keep looking back, you'll never get there. You can't change the past but you can make the future whatever you want. If you don't believe we are on the right track, you are entitled to your opinion. I certainly don't agree with you and since I am an optimist and you are a pessimist, we probably never will agree. What's the use of rooting for a team if you don't like anything about it?

I love the team. I just don't like the way it's been run or the on field results of the past umpteen years.
 

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40yearfan said:
If you never look forward and keep looking back, you'll never get there. You can't change the past but you can make the future whatever you want. If you don't believe we are on the right track, you are entitled to your opinion. I certainly don't agree with you and since I am an optimist and you are a pessimist, we probably never will agree. What's the use of rooting for a team if you don't like anything about it?

glutton for punishment?

Also - while you may be an optimist, that doesn't mean the only other choice is pessimist -- there's also the REALIST and judging from the past three year's results(and opinions prior to them), it appears that unfortunately for ALL OF US, the realists have got this team pegged. Doesn't mean they don't hope to be proven to be pessimists - I know K9 and I both hope we're dead wrong, but until we are proven wrong, you can't call the guys who have a handle on the team correctly for the last three years pessimists... sometimes things just are as they are - like the Democrats being pathetic or the Republicans being corrupt - no amount of talkie-talkie will change either of those things - only actions do - same thing goes for our "beloved" team. I'm sick of the talk - it's time to walk the walk.
 

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Evil Ash said:
Just my guess ... they'll agree to terms probably tomorrow and he'll sign as well as report on Thursday.

Rolle signed on August 9th last year.
 

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cheesebeef said:
glutton for punishment?

Also - while you may be an optimist, that doesn't mean the only other choice is pessimist -- there's also the REALIST and judging from the past three year's results(and opinions prior to them), it appears that unfortunately for ALL OF US, the realists have got this team pegged. Doesn't mean they don't hope to be proven to be pessimists - I know K9 and I both hope we're dead wrong, but until we are proven wrong, you can't call the guys who have a handle on the team correctly for the last three years pessimists... sometimes things just are as they are - like the Democrats being pathetic or the Republicans being corrupt - no amount of talkie-talkie will change either of those things - only actions do - same thing goes for our "beloved" team. I'm sick of the talk - it's time to walk the walk.

Since they can't walk the walk yet, let's just see how that goes before endlessly looping back about how awful management is/was/will be.

Fact is Leinart dropped the most value wise of any pick in the draft, the Cardinals like him a lot and said so, that equals a hijacking in the making and when all is said and done if he gets a deal better than his slot, then you will be proved wrong, slotted value it's a tie, less than slotted value you win hands down.

I'd even grant you might get a tie breaker if they just pony up slotted value, considering his status as a QB and what not but again, factually you have no idea what negotiating ploy was used by his camp, none.

What the media gets is almost univerally skewed towards his side of the arguement because the Cardinal side rarely talks about it.

You and your arguements are tailor made for the Leinart camp, he's loving stuff like that, not that it really matters but in essence that's exactly the kind of club they are trying to use.

The final deal when done will either exonorate the Cardinals or Leinart, I'm betting on the Cardinals.
 

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conraddobler said:
Since they can't walk the walk yet, let's just see how that goes before endlessly looping back about how awful management is/was/will be.

Fact is Leinart dropped the most value wise of any pick in the draft, the Cardinals like him a lot and said so, that equals a hijacking in the making and when all is said and done if he gets a deal better than his slot, then you will be proved wrong, slotted value it's a tie, less than slotted value you win hands down.

I'd even grant you might get a tie breaker if they just pony up slotted value, considering his status as a QB and what not but again, factually you have no idea what negotiating ploy was used by his camp, none.

What the media gets is almost univerally skewed towards his side of the arguement because the Cardinal side rarely talks about it.

You and your arguements are tailor made for the Leinart camp, he's loving stuff like that, not that it really matters but in essence that's exactly the kind of club they are trying to use.

The final deal when done will either exonorate the Cardinals or Leinart, I'm betting on the Cardinals.

and what of the abundance of cap space and absolute lack of depth at key positions? My issue isn't just the Lienart thing Conrad - it's a multitude of problems that are still present within this organization. Getting Leinart at whatever price they do get him will not exonerate them for sitting on cap space AGAIN with huge depth problems everywhere except DL and WR.
 

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Totally_Red said:
BTW, Trey Wingo (but not Clayton) took his usual tone of bashing the Cardinals and recounted all the holdouts of the last 15 years in great detail.
Funny - I heard Wingo lead off "NFL Live" with a Leinart opening piece fully expecting him to rip the Cardinals; only he didn't. His main them (as I perceived it) was "Leinart's agents have to get real, and he has to get in camp."
 

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cheesebeef said:
can they just get this freaking deal done so I can divest myself of this infernal board again!? I'm sick of checking here every ten minutes!

Ugh - just when you think you're out, they pull you back in!


thanks for the comment.......i am going to get thrown out of my office if i keep checking...
 

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JeffGollin said:
Funny - I heard Wingo lead off "NFL Live" with a Leinart opening piece fully expecting him to rip the Cardinals; only he didn't. His main them (as I perceived it) was "Leinart's agents have to get real, and he has to get in camp."


fact......mortensen and clayton are not really in the "in" crowd and probably make up and editorialize a whole lot more than you might believe....if they are buying you should be selling!!!
 

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nidan posted this from SI in the news thread:

"Leinart's camp believes the Cardinals got a gift when he unexpectedly fell to their No. 10 spot in the draft. His status as the second quarterback chosen, and a potential franchise player, warrants a better deal, the agent and his client believe."

Last I heard, you don't pay for gifts. :rolleyes:
 

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Totally_Red said:
John Clayton was on "NFL Live" Tuesday and basically said the escalator clauses are complicated, a deal was not imminent, and he thinks it will take at least 2-3 more days to reach agreement.

If he's on target (which he usually is), that makes it late Thursday or Friday at the earliest.

BTW, Trey Wingo (but not Clayton) took his usual tone of bashing the Cardinals and recounted all the holdouts of the last 15 years in great detail.

Amazing how the Cards really screwed up his life so much to recall such pain in detail. I hope he gets some help soon. 15 years is a long time to be carrying around such bagage IMO.

This year the Cards will cure all ills.......
 

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RedStorm said:
Amazing how the Cards really screwed up his life so much to recall such pain in detail. I hope he gets some help soon. 15 years is a long time to be carrying around such bagage IMO.

This year the Cards will cure all ills.......

I hope so.

154 losses in those 15 years has given us all a lot of bagage to carry around.
 

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It appears the real reason the contract isn't done is finally revealed.

Aug. 9, 2006

The NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff announced today it has reinstated the eligibility of USC junior wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett.

Jarrett must pay $5,352 to a charity of his choice for receiving extra benefits from a teammate's family that included discounted rent at an apartment. Jarrett will not be required to sit out any competition for the 2006 season.


Clearly Matt was just waiting to find out how much money Jarrett was going to need, before signing his contract with the Cards.
 

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the record

does anyone know what the record is on the board for number of pages and person's viewing....have we approached it yet??? just curious

thanks
 

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kerouac9 said:
They're talking about baseball with someone. I don't think we're going to get a report today...

Someone? How about Bruce Sutter?

MJ didn't make it on, Ash stated that hid did get to speak with MJ today; said not much news other than the Dansby thing may not be as bad as he originally thought.

He said that Denny felt it was a good thing for Dansby to come back down the hill and workout.

That's it.
 

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nidan said:
BS Leinart, take the freaking deal, renegotiate in 3 or 4 years when you actuall DO SOMETHING>>>> It does not matter what you think you should've gone, the point is you were DRAFTED 10th!!!!
 

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LoyaltyisaCurse said:
BS Leinart, take the freaking deal, renegotiate in 3 or 4 years when you actuall DO SOMETHING>>>> It does not matter what you think you should've gone, the point is you were DRAFTED 10th!!!!


:thumbup:
 

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Well if they have agreed to a 6 year deal why is it taking this long to get the money and other things figured out come on guys get leinart signed :)
 
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I have got to believe there was a reason Leinart dropped. I didn't even have him listed in my top 10 and had Jay Cutler rated #9 overall. I think there are some concerns reference durability. He played behind a really good offensive line at USC. But, now the DLs are pros. I hope he does well, but I want to see it first. I'm all for escalator clauses. Long over due.
 

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