Leinart Out

Goodyear Card

Link Guy
Joined
Mar 4, 2006
Posts
2,252
Reaction score
1,942

THESMEL

Smushdown! Take it like a fan!
Joined
May 21, 2010
Posts
5,968
Reaction score
1,160
Location
Vernon
9-10 prior, wish we had a QB that could complete 9 out of 10.

hopefully this time on the bench helps Kolb, He has been pushed and playing catch up since signed. He maay never be a Matt leinart but may be enough QB to beat the Niners ---someday......
 

Dr. Jones

Has No Time For Love
Joined
Nov 2, 2004
Posts
27,678
Reaction score
16,547
9-10 prior, wish we had a QB that could complete 9 out of 10.

hopefully this time on the bench helps Kolb, He has been pushed and playing catch up since signed. He maay never be a Matt leinart but may be enough QB to beat the Niners ---someday......

70% of his passes went to RB's & TE's.

Captain Checkdown rose from the ashes.
 

desertdawg

ASFN Icon
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
Sep 1, 2010
Posts
21,831
Reaction score
1
Location
@Desertdawg777
9-10 prior, wish we had a QB that could complete 9 out of 10.

hopefully this time on the bench helps Kolb, He has been pushed and playing catch up since signed. He maay never be a Matt leinart but may be enough QB to beat the Niners ---someday......
Next collar please...:p
 

moklerman

Rise from the Ashes III
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Posts
5,318
Reaction score
810
Location
Bakersfield, CA
Well, the collarbone is the story of course but Leinart had the Texans up 17-10, completed 10/13(76.9%), no turnovers and a really nice 20 yard TD. Also, he had a long gainer called back on penalty.

Texans were playing it just like they should have and Leinart was playing well enough to win and not costing the Texans the game.

Criticize him for being brittle and I've got no argument but he was playing well up 'til that point.
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
Well, the collarbone is the story of course but Leinart had the Texans up 17-10, completed 10/13(76.9%), no turnovers and a really nice 20 yard TD. Also, he had a long gainer called back on penalty.

Texans were playing it just like they should have and Leinart was playing well enough to win and not costing the Texans the game.

Criticize him for being brittle and I've got no argument but he was playing well up 'til that point.

You can't expect many Cardinal fans to know that going into today's game Arien Foster and Owen Daniels had combined for 68 receptions for 923 yards. That Jacksonville had the #4 ranked pass defense wouldn't have come to mind either.
 

Timm Rosenbach

Bye Bye DJ
Joined
Sep 11, 2005
Posts
6,569
Reaction score
4,579
Location
Tucson
Well, the collarbone is the story of course but Leinart had the Texans up 17-10, completed 10/13(76.9%), no turnovers and a really nice 20 yard TD. Also, he had a long gainer called back on penalty.

Texans were playing it just like they should have and Leinart was playing well enough to win and not costing the Texans the game.

Criticize him for being brittle and I've got no argument but he was playing well up 'til that point.

He was never the same after the original collarbone break.
 

PACardsFan

ASFN Icon
Joined
May 15, 2002
Posts
10,266
Reaction score
12,290
Location
York, PA
Let's not forget that the Jags were minus 5 defensive starters. Leinart SUCKS!!!!!! Thank God we ditched that loser when we did.
 

CardsFan88

ASFN Addict
Joined
May 28, 2002
Posts
7,642
Reaction score
4,742
Every once in a while those little floaters will score a td or be a long play. (It always reminds me of a screen pass type throw, yet thrown down the field) But in the NFL many of the times they are an int. (We saw that plenty) Today it was a td. At least he got one, so good for him.

They played within his framework it appeared, which as others stated imo correctly, called plays where captain checkdown was in his element. With Adrian Foster, it does make more sense. But it's awfully hard to be successful long term playing that way. But he's a backup, so the standard doesn't quite apply, as he's not expected to start almost half a season and into the possible playoffs, except when it does like now (or then).

Leinart shows again his body just isn't nfl capable. When the head, arm, and body aren't up to snuff, or at the very best mediocre...sometimes, then you just can't count on him as a quarterback long term.

His shoulder/collarbone is a big weakness for him. I'm starting to wonder besides his brittleness, if he has a problem learning how to fall/be tackled, which only makes such hard landings on his shoulder area to become more frequent than they should be otherwise.

It also just goes to show all of us, that a broken collarbone just like separated shoulders, can be recurring. The old once it's broke it won't break again, doesn't always apply. My guess, and it is that, it broke on a different area of the collar bone that wasn't 'strengthened' and thus instead of breaking where it did before, it broke right next to that area (the strengthened area pushed the stress to another area), where his collarbone was still naturally weak. That is of course, if it was a collarbone as is being tentatively reported. Terry Bradshaw was saying something about his head, so we'll see.

Eventually though, not given the injury, teams would have figured out his playing style again, and account for it. But he could of had a couple of decent games given Arian Foster and Andre Johnson...in theory.

Given Leinart's brittleness, the coaching staff should have probably not IR'ed MS. I thought it was going to be a few more weeks, and if the Colts haven't IR'ed Manning, I would think it would be better to have not IR'ed MS. MS gives you the best shot to win by far, and so even if he can't come back until the playoffs, or even into the playoffs, you have to keep him potentially available. I personally wouldn't have IR'ed him unless I was SURE he couldn't play until sometime into February.

If one was to want Leinart to do good, he sure didn't show anything new in his repertoire, and the things that people were concerned about, showed up again, despite his stats. One might hope that he might of had something new up his sleeve, but maybe one half of football wasn't enough to get that out, if there was one. But the gameplan seemed to be to play to his strengths, so it's kind of hard to do both. Obviously they don't often show plays called back in highlights so I can't judge whether or not that was luck, good play by whoever made it, poor play by the defense, something else, or an actual good play...like a laser strike 35 yards downfield, or the equivalent. If it was another dink play that went long, it wouldn't of changed my mind. Also many plays look good when penalties occur directly because of the penalty, so I don't know if the penalty was directly attributable to the 'goodness' of the play or one of those ones away from the play with no bearing upon it.

It was also the freaking Jaguars, and only one half of football, and one cannot say he would have been 14/20 or 21/30, because lots of times QB's have a drive or two of doing good, only to suck most of the rest of the way...or even vice versa. They didn't even get to do halftime adjustments. As always, his body not being able to make it through one half, has to be counted in the equation of whether or not he is an NFL QB.

Dink and Dunk, floater, injured collarbone/shoulder....sure seems like good ol' matty to me.

But hey I'm sure he felt good throwing that td...so at least he got something out of all that work, however if he is out for the year, it might be his last NFL td. I saw enough in limited viewing to be glad he isn't on this team anymore, and that he isn't considered, our future. Maybe he stays, maybe he can find his way to Seattle, but no man is guaranteed another opportunity...rightly or wrongly. I think Matty's career is now firmly at risk of continuing.

As always, we'll see.
 

kerouac9

Klowned by Keim
Joined
Feb 14, 2003
Posts
38,631
Reaction score
30,390
Location
Gilbert, AZ
Let's not forget that the Jags were minus 5 defensive starters. Leinart SUCKS!!!!!! Thank God we ditched that loser when we did.

Um... Yes. Thank God. Then we could go through a succession of five other losers, while mortgaging the future for loser #5 in Kevin Kolb.
 

desertdawg

ASFN Icon
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
Sep 1, 2010
Posts
21,831
Reaction score
1
Location
@Desertdawg777
Um... Yes. Thank God. Then we could go through a succession of five other losers, while mortgaging the future for loser #5 in Kevin Kolb.
Um, I'm wearing his jersey right now, Kolb is #4 (he jacked it from Feely), I just looked down and double checked. :p
 

NJCardFan

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jul 14, 2005
Posts
14,974
Reaction score
2,968
Location
Bridgeton, NJ
9-10 prior, wish we had a QB that could complete 9 out of 10.

hopefully this time on the bench helps Kolb, He has been pushed and playing catch up since signed. He maay never be a Matt leinart but may be enough QB to beat the Niners ---someday......

Is Leinart your cousin or something?
 

Chopper0080

2021 - Prove It
Joined
May 15, 2002
Posts
28,846
Reaction score
41,977
Location
Colorado
Probably the end for Leinart. No ill will on my part as he was the victim of a coaching change (it happens), and his body just can't hold up to the NFL beating apparently.
 

moklerman

Rise from the Ashes III
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Posts
5,318
Reaction score
810
Location
Bakersfield, CA
It's approaching scary just how much hate is dished out around here. If you can't even give Leinart credit for doing his job while in the game yesterday and have to discount everything he does, then it really sounds like a personal problem.

I agree that Leinart is done in the NFL now but it's because he can't stay healthy.
 

conraddobler

I want my 2$
Joined
Sep 1, 2002
Posts
20,052
Reaction score
237
It's approaching scary just how much hate is dished out around here. If you can't even give Leinart credit for doing his job while in the game yesterday and have to discount everything he does, then it really sounds like a personal problem.

I agree that Leinart is done in the NFL now but it's because he can't stay healthy.

+1
 

chickenhead

Registered User
Joined
Jul 7, 2004
Posts
3,109
Reaction score
77
This was a great opportunity for Leinart and to have it end with an injury is really unfortunate. I wish it had gone differently.
 
Top