Lindsey Hunter Talks with Doug and Wolf

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I like him as the head coach. He's what I've wanted for the Suns as far back as I can remember. Its a ridiculously difficult situation for him... Lance Blanks and I are probably the only two people on the planet that want him in the job. (Its painful to be paired with Blanks even in this trivial way, since I think he's incompetent.) It will take a miracle for Hunter to succeed, and if he does it probably saves Blanks job, so the inflow of new players LH has to make do with will be god-awful. Naturally, in the traditional NBA manner he will take the fall with Blanks or, more likely, ahead of him.

Of course I wish Lindsey had several years under his belt as an assistant coach, that might give him enough credibility to ride through the rough times coming - and the experience would make him a better coach. As it is getting put in charge before he appears to be ready could ruin his whole career -- even if he is the rare person who is ready long before he 'ought' to be. If he truly isn't ready then it will almost certainly doom him.
 

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The only good thing I like about the hire is that he has the best chance to suck and he will be gone at the end of the year. We can tank and get a top 3 pick, with the lakers lottery pick(fingers crossed) and attract a good player to sign this off season(again fingers crossed)
 

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Mind telling us why your dream coach has no coaching experience on any level?

Probably because he is barely over 40 and played in the NBA 5 years ago?

I mean what kind of stuid question is that? What coaching experience did Lawrence Frank have? What coaching experience did Dan Majerle have when they made him assistant coach? What coaching experience did Mark Jackson have? What coaching experience did Phil Jackson or Red Auerbach have when they first got hired?

Coaching experience does not mean all that much if you have been part of pro teams all your professional life.
 
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Probably because he is barely over 40 and played in the NBA 5 years ago?

I mean what kind of stuid question is that? What coaching experience did Lawrence Frank have? What coaching experience did Dan Majerle have when they hade him assistant coach? What coaching experience did Mark Jackson have? What coaching experience did Phil Jackson or Red Auerbach have when they first got hired?

Coaching experience does not mean all that much if you have been part of pro teams all you professional life.

Wrong. You don't know what you're talking about as usual.
 

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Probably because he is barely over 40 and played in the NBA 5 years ago?

I mean what kind of stuid question is that? What coaching experience did Lawrence Frank have? What coaching experience did Dan Majerle have when they hade him assistant coach? What coaching experience did Mark Jackson have? What coaching experience did Phil Jackson or Red Auerbach have when they first got hired?

Coaching experience does not mean all that much if you have been part of pro teams all you professional life.

Absolutely wrong.

First, how Majerle came into the discussion? Is he a good coach? Is he even a coach?

Lawrence Frank was an assistant caoch in Tennessee for 3 years then for another 3 years in Vancouver.

Phil Jackson had 7 years experience as a head coach in lower and foreign leagues then he was assistant coach in Chicago for 2 years before was promoted to head coach.

Mark Jackson is the exception not the rule.

Being a successful NBA player doesn't mean at all that you will become a good coach. It is very surprising that the Suns gave an NBA team for Lindsey Hunter to make an experiment and find out whether he is indeed a coach or not.
 

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The point is all of them got hired at one point without any experience on the job and most of them got hired because of a basketball career.

I don't see what the big deal is, this season is lost and they will re-evaluate in the offseason. They have bigger issues than trying to find the most experienced head coach right now to win as many games as possible.
 
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I wonder why so many people say that Majerle is a joke as a coach. From what I've read / heard the players respect him and he has been a great assistant. (And has coached the summer league teams.) Seems like he has been paying his dues. Just because he was funny on the broadcasts doesn't mean he wouldn't be a quality coach.
 

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Has nothing to do with him being funny or not. He is a party boy / playboy .. lots of stories going around of Majerle drunk and hitting on girls half his age.

Might as well hire Charles Barkley.
 

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Mind telling us why your dream coach has no coaching experience on any level?

He would be more of a dream coach if he had a few years of coaching under his belt.
I admired the Pistons in the years Hunter played for them - I'm sure you recall they were a tremendous defensive team. Wallace was the motor, of course, but the D was even better when Lindsey was on the floor. He was like the defensive quarterback... the coach on the floor. He understood what made team defense work - and there quite a few coaches with many years of coaching experience who don't understand that. Some, like D'Antoni, don't even care to. Alvin Gentry's understanding is limited.

The D'Antoni years were painful to watch. I like fastbreak basketball and I liked his concept of SSOL but the shoddy-to-nonexistent defense was just too nauseating for me. At times it was embarrassing.

No one could turn this group of players into a great defensive team but by the end of the year I'd be happy if the guys that have not learned their defensive assignments simply don't get on the floor. They may not always be able to carry them out but at least they know them and make an effort to be where they are supposed to be. Thats the culture you have to establish and then over time you winnow out the guys whose reaction time or quickness or ability to recognize keys doesn't allow them to execute. It takes practice time and reps to go from thinking to instinct, and to gain the necessary discipline.

I suspect Hunter needs a strong offensive coach to make a competitive team. Its nice to have the complete package in one guy but thats rare and usually its the defense that gets short shrift. Most players like offense more than defense and they'll skimp on defense unless you make defense a requirement to get on the floor.
 

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The point is all of them got hired at one point without any experience on the job.

Yes, as (college) assistant coaches or head coaches of lower league teams.

Getting an NBA head coach job without ANY coaching experience is exceptionally rare.
 

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Has nothing to do with him being funny or not. He is a party boy / playboy .. lots of stories going around of Majerle drunk and hitting on girls half his age.

Might as well hire Charles Barkley.

Or this guy:

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Majerle just doesn't have the presence of a coach, even in interviews. He comes across as having the attitude of a middle schooler.

Jackson isn't interested in coaching any more. However, I wonder if he would like a GM job. I am not sure how he would do as a GM but if he did player evaluation and Babby negotiated contracts and trades, I think it could work.
 

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Majerle just doesn't have the presence of a coach, even in interviews. He comes across as having the attitude of a middle schooler.

So what? Maybe having a more fun-loving coach would be a good thing. Why do all coaches have to be stuffy guys in suits? The guy has been an assistant for awhile and has garnered some consideration by other clubs. And the players love him. He must be doing something right.
 

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So what? Maybe having a more fun-loving coach would be a good thing. Why do all coaches have to be stuffy guys in suits? The guy has been an assistant for awhile and has garnered some consideration by other clubs. And the players love him. He must be doing something right.

which other clubs? Never read anything like that, Hunter was in serious consideration for the Magic HC job this offseason. And the fact remains that this season is lost and the HC hardly matters. We need to lose out and develop young players. Hunter might be the best for that job.
 

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He would be more of a dream coach if he had a few years of coaching under his belt.
I admired the Pistons in the years Hunter played for them - I'm sure you recall they were a tremendous defensive team. Wallace was the motor, of course, but the D was even better when Lindsey was on the floor. He was like the defensive quarterback... the coach on the floor. He understood what made team defense work - and there quite a few coaches with many years of coaching experience who don't understand that. Some, like D'Antoni, don't even care to. Alvin Gentry's understanding is limited.

The D'Antoni years were painful to watch. I like fastbreak basketball and I liked his concept of SSOL but the shoddy-to-nonexistent defense was just too nauseating for me. At times it was embarrassing.

No one could turn this group of players into a great defensive team but by the end of the year I'd be happy if the guys that have not learned their defensive assignments simply don't get on the floor. They may not always be able to carry them out but at least they know them and make an effort to be where they are supposed to be. Thats the culture you have to establish and then over time you winnow out the guys whose reaction time or quickness or ability to recognize keys doesn't allow them to execute. It takes practice time and reps to go from thinking to instinct, and to gain the necessary discipline.

I suspect Hunter needs a strong offensive coach to make a competitive team. Its nice to have the complete package in one guy but thats rare and usually its the defense that gets short shrift. Most players like offense more than defense and they'll skimp on defense unless you make defense a requirement to get on the floor.

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. I just hope he's not like Porter and changes the team into grind it out, low 80s basketball. I don't see why you can't be a fast breaking, free-flowing offensive team and also be a good to great defensive team.
 

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Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. I just hope he's not like Porter and changes the team into grind it out, low 80s basketball. I don't see why you can't be a fast breaking, free-flowing offensive team and also be a good to great defensive team.

I think the primary reason is the energy expended. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to play good D. If you do not have bench depth, you just can't do it for 48.
 

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How come no one else in here has put slinslin on ignore? It's fairly obvious that the dude just lives to argue, and no matter how inane or even offensive his points are, he'd argue with it just to have something to argue with.

Everyone please do these boards a favor and just ignore the dude.
 

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Has nothing to do with him being funny or not. He is a party boy / playboy .. lots of stories going around of Majerle drunk and hitting on girls half his age.

Might as well hire Charles Barkley.

1. Please direct me to any recent stories about him "partying, drinking, and hitting on girls half his age."

2. Everything I've read & heard shows Majerle in a pretty positive light. Seems to be well respected around the league. He's definitely paid his dues as an assistant and HC of the summer league teams.

3. Please explain to me how he would have been a worse hire than a guy with ZERO experience and is hated by some of the current players on the roster. Gentry's interview yesterday tells me all I need to know about Hunter.

All of that said, I would have actually preferred Turner. He has MUCH more experience and deserves a shot at a HC gig.
 

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