Logan Thomas not making progress

[BullheadCardFan]

I still remember the preseason game last year where he looked like he we getting it. He made some real good passes, was going through his reads and looked comfortable. But when he played with the starters the speed of the game seemed to overwhelm him.

Learning your reads and being comfortable in the pocket are the hardest things for a QB to at NFL speed. If his head is reeling all the time and over thinking it will take more real game experience to see if it comes together for him.

Do we have that time? Or do we move on?

 

[GiantCardFan]

Do we have that time? Or do we move on?

Let's just say that this is going to be a very important camp for him

 

[jw7]

Arians likes to take 4 into training camp.

Palmer and Stanton are locks. After that I'm not sure. One will be cut or maybe go to practice squad. From the tone of this thread I think that most folks think he will just be outright cut.

 

[oaken1]

Arians likes to take 4 into training camp.

Palmer and Stanton are locks. After that I'm not sure. One will be cut or maybe go to practice squad. From the tone of this thread I think that most folks think he will just be outright cut.

they brought Lindley back because he knew the system better than Thomas last season,.....
Thomas will most likely be the #3 this season,...........unless one of those other fellas just blows him away in book smarts..... BA appears to put more stock in knowledge of his offense than he does in overall ability.

 

[GiantCardFan]

Arians likes to take 4 into training camp.

Palmer and Stanton are locks. After that I'm not sure. One will be cut or maybe go to practice squad. From the tone of this thread I think that most folks think he will just be outright cut.

I'm not familiar with how the Cards' FO works yet. The Giants would never cut a 4th rounder this soon.

 

[oaken1]

I'm not familiar with how the Cards' FO works yet. The Giants would never cut a 4th rounder this soon.

unless he has just absolutely flopped I am pretty sure the Cards wont either.....all the hyperbole coming from camp is coming directly from the coach....the put these types of matches under Coopers ass in his second year as well.

QB has to be tough,...has to be able to take it when he is publicly criticized,.. the good ones use that and get better

 

[TigToad]

Stupid pick at the time. Real waste with Mettenberger on the board.

Did we really take him before Mettenberger? I'm even more upset, I was really high on Mettenberger, and didn't know who Thomas was. Ugh

 

[Russ Smith]

Denard Robinson just last year went from QB to RB in Jacksonville with some success.

And Jacksonville liked Denard Robinson as a QB?

They converted him because they knew he was NOT a QB. You don't convert QB's to another position if you think they can play QB.

 

[overseascardfan]

For reference sake, Bryce Petty, who is and will be a much better QB, like Thomas, was a 4th round pick this year.

I guess Keim and Co. decided that round 4 is the round to take "toolsy" guys and see if they can develop because they did the same this year with Gunter.

I guess it's okay to do that in round 4 and not round 1. In fact, they seem to go conservative with the early picks and then take chances.

Could have used their 4th rounder on Hundley THIS year who also would be better than Thomas. The OL better keep Palmer healthy or we could have another end to our year like last season.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think the Logan Thomas experiment is pretty much done. Kid has shown zero progress over the last year. He'll be lucky to be added to the practice squad.

 

[football karma]

Logan Thomas kinda fits the Keim mold of later in the draft projects: Top physical ability with upside potential to be unlocked via NFL coaching.

The thing is- QBs are so well scouted/ overdrafted that while the approach works for many positions, the odds just seem much longer for QBs.

 

[juza76]

u cant teach accuracy,period

 

[cardncubfan]

Could have used their 4th rounder on Hundley THIS year who also would be better than Thomas. The OL better keep Palmer healthy or we could have another end to our year like last season.

Not true. Hundley is every bit a project like Thomas with Thomas having a higher upside.

 

[cardncubfan]

Did we really take him before Mettenberger? I'm even more upset, I was really high on Mettenberger, and didn't know who Thomas was. Ugh

Thomas was 4th rd & Mettenberger was 6th rd.

 

[Southpaw]

A question that cannot be answered. If the Cards did not draft Thomas in the 4th would he have been drafted by anyone else?

 

[Jetstream Green]

u cant teach accuracy,period

This... you can fine tune it if one already has it but one can not develop it from bad to even serviceable once they are in the NFL

 

[Solar7]

And Jacksonville liked Denard Robinson as a QB?

They converted him because they knew he was NOT a QB. You don't convert QB's to another position if you think they can play QB.

Sorry, I misread the post, and thought it was just "what's the last time a team converted a QB prospect to another position?"

My mistake.

 

[jw7]

I'm not familiar with how the Cards' FO works yet. The Giants would never cut a 4th rounder this soon.

I agree. I think you can keep 75 until late August. Then there is a chainsaw massacre when you have to get down to 53.

 

[Russ Smith]

Logan Thomas kinda fits the Keim mold of later in the draft projects: Top physical ability with upside potential to be unlocked via NFL coaching.

The thing is- QBs are so well scouted/ overdrafted that while the approach works for many positions, the odds just seem much longer for QBs.

The thing I think people missed, and I really TRIED to make this point after the draft both subtly and snarkily, was Logan Thomas isn't really "raw", he's just not very good.

yes he didn't play QB until late in his HS career he was a TE and got converted. But he played QB at Va Tech, and he played LOTS of football there. He also hired a private QB coach. And again, he TRIED to hire Steve Clarkson one of the more highly thought of QB coaches in the country. Steve Clarkson worked him out, and then politely told him to paraphrase, it would be unfair of me to take your money, you're not a QB.

So he hired another QB coach who he worked with in the offseason for 2 years.

I know many people felt Va Tech had lousy coaches, that may be entirely true, but Logan Thomas had been coached by a QB coach privately for quite awhile, and he still wasn't very good.

That's why many NFL teams were going to move him back to TE.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not true. Hundley is every bit a project like Thomas with Thomas having a higher upside.

I'm not a huge Hundley fan at all but he is light years ahead of Thomas at the same point in their careers. Much better college QB.

 

[Russ Smith]

A question that cannot be answered. If the Cards did not draft Thomas in the 4th would he have been drafted by anyone else?

Yes, and in camp he would have been wearing a number like 89 and learning to block and run routes as a TE.

 

[Russ Smith]

Sorry, I misread the post, and thought it was just "what's the last time a team converted a QB prospect to another position?"

My mistake.

Sorry for the snarky response, got up on the wrong side of the bed.

 

[WildBB]

Logan Thomas kinda fits the Keim mold of later in the draft projects: Top physical ability with upside potential to be unlocked via NFL coaching.

The thing is- QBs are so well scouted/ overdrafted that while the approach works for many positions, the odds just seem much longer for QBs.

u cant teach accuracy,period

What is your guys' gut on some of the projects drafted this year?

Hundley, Petty and Grayson in particular.

 

[Harry]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again: he's not an NFL QB. It's a wasted pick and it cost the Cards dearly last year when they didn't have a playable third QB.

 

[jw7]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again: he's not an NFL QB. It's a wasted pick and it cost the Cards dearly last year when they didn't have a playable third QB.

I agree. If management wants to go out and get Ryan Lindley instead of trusting you to start, you are not an NFL caliber QB.