Lombardi: Kolb Should lose his job

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Kolb vs Baltimore 2008 was 10-23. Kolb vs Baltimore 2011 was 10-21.

Future pro bowler right there, just wait....but don't hold your breath

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Hard to manage 6.74 YPA when you're only throwing 3 yard outs. That's only a quarter of a yard off the league average. But whatever, clearly facts aren't going to convince you, nor are the unreprochable coaching decisions of personnel expert and master tactician Mike Singletary.

Again, the facts say below average. I didn't look it up but where did they rank in points scored? I'm willing to bet it was in the bottom half of the league. I get it, for some reason you like Smith, I don't. You're ready to give up on Kolb after 7 games, I'm not.

 

[Zeno]

Count me in on the side that says Alex Smith is underrated on this board and would rather have him than Kevin Kolb. He is no Kurt Warner but he is a good middle of the road QB.

 

[conraddobler]

Count me in on the side that says Alex Smith is underrated on this board and would rather have him than Kevin Kolb. He is no Kurt Warner but he is a good middle of the road QB.

People on this board act like nothing matters to a QB, his weapons, his line, his coaching.

Alex Smith was a complete loser knucklehead until he went 8-1 this year, the only thing that massively has changed is his line and his coaching.

Give him some confidence and he could turn into a pro-bowler.

He's always been talented, it sometimes takes a winding road to get there, people act as if you just have to be studly no matter what is placed in front of you and life dosen't work like that, unless you're Tim Tebow .....

 

[CardLogic]

Seems to me that teams with competition at QB usually end up 5-11.

Somebody posted a while back about the Cards not having just one QB far too many times. When you look back at the successful Cardinals teams they all had one guy at QB.

Charley Johnson, Jim Hart, Neil Lomax, Jake Plummer ('98) and Kurt Warner..

Further, since their move to Arizona, there have been only three seasons in which the same QB has started every game for the Cardinals, 1998, 2008 and 2009. In each of those three seasons the Cardinals have reached the playoffs.

 

[Phrazbit]

Further, since their move to Arizona, there have been only three seasons in which the same QB has started every game for the Cardinals, 1998, 2008 and 2009. In each of those three seasons the Cardinals have reached the playoffs.

Warner missed a game in 2009. He didnt play in the Tennessee game after suffering a concussion the week before (which probably swung his eventual decision to retire). Leinart played pretty well that game, but that was Vince Young's 99 yard drive game winning career highlight game.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Warner missed a game in 2009. He didnt play in the Tennessee game after suffering a concussion the week before (which probably swung his eventual decision to retire). Leinart played pretty well that game, but that was Vince Young's 99 yard drive game winning career highlight game.

the leinart led offense scored 10 points. he didn't jack squat in that game.

 

[CardLogic]

Warner missed a game in 2009. He didnt play in the Tennessee game after suffering a concussion the week before (which probably swung his eventual decision to retire). Leinart played pretty well that game, but that was Vince Young's 99 yard drive game winning career highlight game.

Forgot about this. Good catch.

However the point remains that there was no question who was QB'ing and leading the team in those three seasons.

Additionally, I will speculate that had Warner's injury caused him to miss a significant number of games in 2009, the Cardinals probably wouldn't have made the playoffs.

 

[WisconsinCard]

the leinart led offense scored 10 points. he didn't jack squat in that game.

I was there he didn't do jack...it was a kick off return by hyphen for 7 THT ran 10 or 11 yards for another. He was 21-31 for 220 yards but could only put up 10 points.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

People on this board act like nothing matters to a QB, his weapons, his line, his coaching.

Alex Smith was a complete loser knucklehead until he went 8-1 this year, the only thing that massively has changed is his line and his coaching.

Give him some confidence and he could turn into a pro-bowler.

He's always been talented, it sometimes takes a winding road to get there, people act as if you just have to be studly no matter what is placed in front of you and life dosen't work like that, unless you're Tim Tebow .....

To a point I agree. The coaching staff has come in and limited Smith's impact on the game. Rather than try and make your QB an integral part of the plan, which he has shown is not a good idea, they've turned him into a game manager and don't mess it up QB. I prefer a QB that is the biggest concern to the defense and a guy that can put the team on his back and still win a game for you when everything else is failing. I think an offense playing the Niners style can only get you so far because good teams are going to take away the run game, for the most part. Sure it's possible to win it that way, like Baltimore did, but it's highly unlikely. I like the Warner-style Cards where they had no run game and a below average defense but his passing ability covered that up and they still won.

 

[Duckjake]

To a point I agree. The coaching staff has come in and limited Smith's impact on the game. Rather than try and make your QB an integral part of the plan, which he has shown is not a good idea, they've turned him into a game manager and don't mess it up QB. I prefer a QB that is the biggest concern to the defense and a guy that can put the team on his back and still win a game for you when everything else is failing. I think an offense playing the Niners style can only get you so far because good teams are going to take away the run game, for the most part. Sure it's possible to win it that way, like Baltimore did, but it's highly unlikely. I like the Warner-style Cards where they had no run game and a below average defense but his passing ability covered that up and they still won.

People on this board act like nothing matters to a QB, his weapons, his line, his coaching.

Warner didn't do it all by himself. Let's not forget that he had an Alien and a grown a99 man as his weapons.

I'm still shaking my head at the catches the brother from another planet made last Sunday.

 

[Renz]

Lombardi needs to re-think his stance on Kolb/Skelton after this abomination. Kolb on his worst day isn't this bad.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Lombardi needs to re-think his stance on Kolb/Skelton after this abomination. Kolb on his worst day isn't this bad.

Yeah.. This has been awful today. We just don't have a qb on this roster.

 

[Pariah]

It's ugly, for sure.

I'm going to change the mojo by turning it off and not watching the second half. Maybe then Skelton will do his best impression of a professional quarterback.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Great call Lombardi!

I'm surprised that a journalist would go out on a limb like that when there was such a good chance that the cardinals recent improvement was a mirage.

 

[sportznutt]

5/15, 54 yards and 2 INT

 

[football karma]

The sad thing about the performance is that he really hasn't been pressured

The line has played relatively well, but Skelton's decisions and accuracy have been simply awful. This could be the worst QB performance I have ever seen.

 

[conraddobler]

It was bad, career ending bad.

That's probably harsh but he just took every ounce of mojo he had and dumped it.

 

[Chopper0080]

The Lombardi quote surprised me because he is normally smarter than that. Look, at some point coaches do know what they are talking about. Skelton is a 5th round pick from Fordham in his 2nd season. He has potential, but is not ready at this point which Whis has stated. The backup is always the most popular guy on the roster, and Kolb didn't do himself any favors with his play. BUT, there is a reason that teams were interested in trading for Kolb and not in trading for Skelton. Apparently that reason is where they are at in their development, as Kolb is further ahead.

 

[Phrazbit]

The Lombardi quote surprised me because he is normally smarter than that. Look, at some point coaches do know what they are talking about. Skelton is a 5th round pick from Fordham in his 2nd season. He has potential, but is not ready at this point which Whis has stated. The backup is always the most popular guy on the roster, and Kolb didn't do himself any favors with his play. BUT, there is a reason that teams were interested in trading for Kolb and not in trading for Skelton. Apparently that reason is where they are at in their development, as Kolb is further ahead.

Part of Lombardi's stance was that he has never considered Kolb a starting quality QB. Lombardi also contested the notion that the Eagles had many suitors for Kolb. He thought it the Seahawks or the Cards were the only destinations possible... and the Hawks signed Tavaris.

I know I constantly lambast Kolb, but those are Lombardi's thoughts in this case.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The Lombardi quote surprised me because he is normally smarter than that. Look, at some point coaches do know what they are talking about. Skelton is a 5th round pick from Fordham in his 2nd season. He has potential, but is not ready at this point which Whis has stated. The backup is always the most popular guy on the roster, and Kolb didn't do himself any favors with his play. BUT, there is a reason that teams were interested in trading for Kolb and not in trading for Skelton. Apparently that reason is where they are at in their development, as Kolb is further ahead.

You're giving Lombarid too much credit for being smart. If he was tht smart, he'd be woriking for somebody in the NFL. He was terrible in Cleve and Oak. Not Rod Graves terrible but still pretty bad.

 

[Phrazbit]

You're giving Lombarid too much credit for being smart. If he was tht smart, he'd be woriking for somebody in the NFL. He was terrible in Cleve and Oak. Not Rod Graves terrible but still pretty bad.

Yeah, all he did with Oakland was put a superbowl roster together despite Al Davis' meddling. What a moron he is. Oh, and the Browns made the playoffs 4 times with him.

 

[Chopper0080]

Part of Lombardi's stance was that he has never considered Kolb a starting quality QB. Lombardi also contested the notion that the Eagles had many suitors for Kolb. He thought it the Seahawks or the Cards were the only destinations possible... and the Hawks signed Tavaris.

I know I constantly lambast Kolb, but those are Lombardi's thoughts in this case.

Yes, but Skelton hasn't shown anything this year with the exception of two quarters. I get not liking a guy, but Lombardi has been in a front office and should know better about the mirage of the backup QB.

 

[Duckjake]

Yes, but Skelton hasn't shown anything this year with the exception of two quarters. I get not liking a guy, but Lombardi has been in a front office and should know better about the mirage of the backup QB.

Sort of like the guy who was the backup QB in Philadelphia the last 4 years.

 

[Joe L]

Sort of like the guy who was the backup QB in Philadelphia the last 4 years.

But was also the reason why they got rid of their successful starter...To give the team to him.

Can't say that for Skelton, I'm afraid. Only time he plays is when the guy/guys in front of him are injured. Vick capitalized on Kolb's ( starter) injury which is the only reason why they had to go with him, and not Kolb. Very few QB's would have beaten Vick at the time.