Lombardi: Kolb Should lose his job

[Duckjake]

But was also the reason why they got rid of their successful starter...To give the team to him.

Can't say that for Skelton, I'm afraid. Only time he plays is when the guy/guys in front of him are injured. Vick capitalized on Kolb's ( starter) injury which is the only reason why they had to go with him, and not Kolb. Very few QB's would have beaten Vick at the time.

Meanwhile the Cardinals got rid of their QBOF to give the team to Dereck Anderson.

Actually Kolb was only the starter for 22 minutes. The rest of the season he was Vick's backup.

And Kolb fits the backup QB mirage. He had a couple of real good games in relief of Vick and then had passer ratings of 56.9 and 37.0 and getting less than 5ypa his last two games in Philly.

 

[Joe L]

Actually Kolb was only the starter for 22 minutes. The rest of the season he was Vick's backup.

And Kolb fits the backup QB mirage. He had a couple of real good games in relief of Vick and then had passer ratings of 56.9 and 37.0 and getting less than 5ypa his last two games in Philly.

But, the fact remains, they made the moves for Kolb to be the QBOTF. No coach would have sat Vick that year and very few QB's could beat what he did last season.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

But, the fact remains, they made the moves for Kolb to be the QBOTF. No coach would have sat Vick that year and very few QB's could beat what he did last season.

You're buying what Reid is selling, just like Graves did. If Kolb was such a great QB, and Philly knew Vick would never last a full season, why wouldn't they even attempt to extend Kolb? Kolb had his chance in Philly and got progressively worse, he never showed any signs of being a legitimate starter in the NFL, and that's why Philly got rid of him. He was going to walk next year for absolutely nothing, but they somehow got a starting CB and a very high 2nd round pick in return, which no other team would've came close to matching. Leave it up to the Cards FO to make the dumbest trades known to man.

 

[Joe L]

You're buying what Reid is selling, just like Graves did. If Kolb was such a great QB, and Philly knew Vick would never last a full season, why wouldn't they even attempt to extend Kolb? Kolb had his chance in Philly and got progressively worse, he never showed any signs of being a legitimate starter in the NFL, and that's why Philly got rid of him. He was going to walk next year for absolutely nothing, but they somehow got a starting CB and a very high 2nd round pick in return, which no other team would've came close to matching. Leave it up to the Cards FO to make the dumbest trades known to man.

Actually, I am. Kolb was named starter and they made legit moves to make room for him at the time.Reid knew he had to give him the reigns or risk losing him altogether. Vick wasn't even considered for the starting position before the season started so yes, I believe the facts substantiate what I'm saying. I'm reading nothing but conjecture and opinions based on nothing more then...Opinions, on your part.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Actually, I am. Kolb was named starter and they made legit moves to make room for him at the time.Reid knew he had to give him the reigns or risk losing him altogether. Vick wasn't even considered for the starting position before the season started so yes, I believe the facts substantiate what I'm saying. I'm reading nothing but conjecture and opinions based on nothing more then...Opinions, on your part.

Practically everything I said was based on facts. Look at Kolb's stats in Philly, they're extremely underwhelming, and for each game he played, he progressively got worse, no opinion needed. Several sources cited that the Cards were the last team in the running for Kolb, I didn't randomly make it up, no opinion needed. The only opinion really is that you believe the Eagles 'only' got rid of Kolb because Vick had a great year. That makes some sense, and does create an argument for Kolb, but the fact of the matter is, if the Eagles knew 100% that Kolb was the real deal, they never would've traded him, especially after 4 years in Reid's system, that's absurd. Kolb was given his opportunity, and he didn't meet expectations. Had he played well, the Eagles would've extended him and kept him for all those times Vick goes out with an injury, which is a habit of his. Just ask any Philly's fan, they all thought Kolb sucked, and rightfully so...

 

[52brandon]

Sort of like the guy who was the backup QB in Philadelphia the last 4 years.

Rodgers was a franchise QB's backup for years until they decided to give the team to him in a similar fashion

 

[Phrazbit]

Rodgers was a franchise QB's backup for years until they decided to give the team to him in a similar fashion

And the Packers wouldnt have traded Rodgers for the world... yet the Eagles were screaming to the league that Kolb was for sale.

And its funny that people act like what happened with Rodgers is a common occurrence. Most of the time the backup replaces the hall of famer and "oh... this guy sucks". Which is exactly what happened with Kolb, and exactly why they desperately shopped him in the offseason.

Furthermore, the as far fetched as the idea that Kolb was the next Rodgers was, it completely goes out the window the instant anyone watches Kolb play, and there was plenty of film on Kolb.

The Cards got suckered into a sell job by the Eagles, and paid high price for a player that no one INCLUDING THE EAGLES had any intention of investing in.

 

[Duckjake]

Practically everything I said was based on facts. Look at Kolb's stats in Philly, they're extremely underwhelming, and for each game he played, he progressively got worse, no opinion needed. Several sources cited that the Cards were the last team in the running for Kolb, I didn't randomly make it up, no opinion needed. The only opinion really is that you believe the Eagles 'only' got rid of Kolb because Vick had a great year. That makes some sense, and does create an argument for Kolb, but the fact of the matter is, if the Eagles knew 100% that Kolb was the real deal, they never would've traded him, especially after 4 years in Reid's system, that's absurd. Kolb was given his opportunity, and he didn't meet expectations. Had he played well, the Eagles would've extended him and kept him for all those times Vick goes out with an injury, which is a habit of his. Just ask any Philly's fan, they all thought Kolb sucked, and rightfully so...

Excellent points. Regardless of how JoeL tries to spin it, Kolb was Vick's backup in 2010 after game 1 as evidenced by Kolb going back to the bench as soon as Vick got healthy despite Kolb's 23-29-326 3TD and 1int performance vs Atlanta.

Kolb's game vs Atlanta was a mirage. Just look at the results from his last two starts in Philly. QB ratings of 56.7 and 39.0.

.... Kolb was 26 of 48 against Tennessee. His first interception came a play after safety Quintin Mikell stripped Titans quarterback Kerry Collins of the ball in the second quarter. He lost the fumble at the Titans 3 in the third quarter, and he was intercepted to end the game. That was returned 41 yards for a touchdown as time expired.

Reid said Kolb was up and down Sunday.

"He had some good plays, phenomenal plays," Reid said. "We've got to continue to work with the pressure and make sure that we protect him. We've got to make sure we give him the right plays."

Sound familiar?

 

[Chopper0080]

You're buying what Reid is selling, just like Graves did. If Kolb was such a great QB, and Philly knew Vick would never last a full season, why wouldn't they even attempt to extend Kolb? Kolb had his chance in Philly and got progressively worse, he never showed any signs of being a legitimate starter in the NFL, and that's why Philly got rid of him. He was going to walk next year for absolutely nothing, but they somehow got a starting CB and a very high 2nd round pick in return, which no other team would've came close to matching. Leave it up to the Cards FO to make the dumbest trades known to man.

The Eagles traded McNabb to give Kolb a shot. I agree that if Reid was blown away, they probably would have left him as the starter, but also remember that Michael Vick played all world for the first half of last year. At some point I think it is a bit in the middle. Vick is a rare talent, so Reid obviously wanted him as the starter and Vick is no slouch. Kolb's contract was coming up and I'm sure the Eagles wanted to get something for him while they still had some leverage. I don't think they traded Kolb because they thought he was crap, I think they preferred what Vick brought to the team and wanted to get something for Kolb rather than just letting him become a free agent.

As far as Kolb's play, it was fine. I disagree that he never showed signs of being a legitimate NFL starter in Philly. He showed enough, just not more than Vick.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

As far as Kolb's play, it was fine. I disagree that he never showed signs of being a legitimate NFL starter in Philly. He showed enough, just not more than Vick.

The biggest aspect of any NFL QB is consistency. Kolb is the epitome of inconsistency, and has been for his entire career. One game you will get a 300 yd, 3 TD performance, the next, you get a 40% completion rate with 3 TO's. He rarely has good games in consecutive weeks, and that's not the make-up of a quality NFL QB. This has been a constant theme of Kolb, and it's very hard to believe or trust in Whis' ability to make him better. Whis' has certainly proven over the years that he is the ultimate QB killer, and Kolb is next in line.

 

[Joe L]

Excellent points. Regardless of how JoeL tries to spin it, Kolb was Vick's backup in 2010 after game 1 as evidenced by Kolb going back to the bench as soon as Vick got healthy despite Kolb's 23-29-326 3TD and 1int performance vs Atlanta.

Kolb's game vs Atlanta was a mirage. Just look at the results from his last two starts in Philly. QB ratings of 56.7 and 39.0.

I'm not trying to spin anything, it's both of you who are in denial. Kolb ended up being the backup for Vick, but the moves were made for Kolb, not Vick.
Try and spin that one to your liking.

And, psssst! Skelton had a 10 rating yesterday. He completed 9 passes of which 3, were interceptions. Max Hall didn't have a game like that. Kinda puts perspective on things, don't it?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I'm not trying to spin anything, it's both of you who are in denial. Kolb ended up being the backup for Vick, but the moves were made for Kolb, not Vick.
Try and spin that one to your liking.

And, psssst! Skelton had a 10 rating yesterday. He completed 9 passes of which 3, were interceptions. Max Hall didn't have a game like that. Kinda puts perspective on things, don't it?

Denial about what? That Kolb got his chance to play, and lead Philly to a losing record with a negative TO ratio? He got benched for Vick because he couldn't win, and instead of trying to extend him, the Eagles did everything they could to trade Kolb. The 'benched for injury' argument is ridiculous, and it's always been an NFL scapegoat for HC's who don't want to deal with position controversies. Just for your information, also, Hall and Skelton weren't given a Pro-Bowl QB contract and traded for as if they were the next Peyton Manning. The sad thing is, in Skelton's first 2 games he posted higher QBR's than Kolb had done in the previous 7 games.

 

[Assface]

I'm not trying to spin anything, it's both of you who are in denial. Kolb ended up being the backup for Vick, but the moves were made for Kolb, not Vick.
Try and spin that one to your liking.

And, psssst! Skelton had a 10 rating yesterday. He completed 9 passes of which 3, were interceptions. Max Hall didn't have a game like that. Kinda puts perspective on things, don't it?

1. They traded McNabb because he was done. Since leaving Philly he's been benched by 2 teams in 2 years.

2. Max Hall did have a game like that. Against Seattle he finished with a 13.5 QB rating. Nit picky and not that important but just thought I would put it out there. It's a little depressing, actually.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

2. Max Hall did have a game like that. Against Seattle he finished with a 13.5 QB rating. Nit picky and not that important but just thought I would put it out there. It's a little depressing, actually.

Especially when you flew across the country and had to watch it live . I kind of remember looking up in the 3rd quarter and seeing combined totaly yards for both team added up to just over 100.

But I was drinking a paying for those "large" beers they sell in Seattle. You know the ones that cost about $2 more but held less, or the same, amount of beer.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm not trying to spin anything, it's both of you who are in denial. Kolb ended up being the backup for Vick, but the moves were made for Kolb, not Vick.
Try and spin that one to your liking.

And, psssst! Skelton had a 10 rating yesterday. He completed 9 passes of which 3, were interceptions. Max Hall didn't have a game like that. Kinda puts perspective on things, don't it?

The fact remains that Kolb was a backup when the Cards traded for him and his two good games in 2010 were the mirage of the backup QB since he played them as the backup to Vick as evidenced by Kolb going right back to the bench once Vick was ready to play again.

 

[MrYeahBut]

The fact remains that Kolb was a backup when the Cards traded for him and his two good games in 2010 were the mirage of the backup QB since he played them as the backup to Vick as evidenced by Kolb going right back to the bench once Vick was ready to play again.

Skelton led the Cards to two wins this year already. Maybe we could trade him for a pro bowl player and a 2nd round pick. Yeah, it's a mirage too, but we could try.

 

[CFLredzoned]

Skelton led the Cards to two wins this year already. Maybe we could trade him for a pro bowl player and a 2nd round pick. Yeah, it's a mirage too, but we could try.

Wow. Now that you put it that way.

 

[Phrazbit]

The Eagles didnt trade McNabb because they were in love with Kolb. They traded him for the same reason they dumped Kolb a year later. They knew he was not a winning QB and they had a chance to sell high.

 

[john h]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...est-goes-40-more-week-10-notes?module=HP11_cp

I've seen Cardinals QB John Skelton play over 20 college games. He went to school at Fordham, where my son attended and is now a proud graduate. Skelton led Fordham to the Patriot League title his sophomore season, demonstrating a big arm with above average athletic skills. Three years later, the Cards took a chance on him in the fifth round, which might prove to be a great pick.

In just two games, Skelton already looks better than Kevin Kolb, the player the Cards traded for this summer. Skelton looks better in terms of his command, his poise, and his ability to make deep throws. Sunday in Philadelphia, the Cards pulled off a huge upset, handing the Eagles their sixth loss of the season (much more about the Eagles later in the column). Now the Cards have won two in a row with Skelton under center, and if they go back to Kolb they are nuts. Skelton can grow into the job as he proved Sunday. He can make all the throws and seems to have a sense of rhythm with Larry Fitzgerald. I realize Skelton will make his share of mistakes, like he did throwing an out in front of Asante Samuel, but eventually he has to learn. Once he does, he might pay huge dividends.

Winning in Philadelphia is never easy, even this season. A 300-yard effort and leading the Cards to a fourth-quarter comeback should be good enough for Skelton to keep the job, regardless of what it cost Arizona to get Kolb.

Some people with power went out and really paid a lot for Kolb. They are not going to be embarrassed by having him sit on the bench whether he looks good or bad. We have nothing to lose by letting him finish the season so we can either keep him or get rid of him. He has not been just a loser but has looked horrible in doing so which is what scares me. I hate to see two more years go down the tubes trying to make a guy what he will never be. Let him finish the season. Newton is losing but you can sure see he is future all pro.

 

[Joe L]

The Eagles didnt trade McNabb because they were in love with Kolb. They traded him for the same reason they dumped Kolb a year later. They knew he was not a winning QB and they had a chance to sell high.

Are you serious? 11-5 in his last season along with his success in Philly isn't what you call a winner?

92.9 rating, 3.5 thousand passing, 20-10 (td/int) is not a winner? So if what you are saying has a morsel of truth, why would the trade him and be left with such losers (Kolb-Vick) to lead the Eagles?

What do you consider winning? Winning 2 games against the Rams and a broken down Eagles team where the defense was more vital in both games?

You have got to be joking.