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Travis Bickle

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I don't think the Colangeli should trade any picks to shed salary for the 2004 offseason. They'll be about 6 million under the cap this summer. There is, in my mind, one free agent worth more than that--Kobe, and even he's substantially flawed. All the others, I'd rather have our own players. Q. Richardson for $7 or $8 million a year? I'd rather keep JJ as the starting 2 and sign him to an extension, and see if Casey becomes more consistent and even try Vujanic w/ Barbosa in the backcourt next year. Okur? I'd rather have Jake V. for $1.5 million and try to develop Lampe than pay Okur $8 million. Marcus Camby, if he opts out? Not for more than $6 million. Rasheed? Please.

So if there's nobody worth paying more than the $6 million we already have, why trade future picks to get more than $6 million under the cap? I think the Colangeli should--and may be--looking to the summer of 2005. Right after the 04-05 season, this is where we'll be as a team:

As far as money goes, we'll lose Jahidi's $6 million contract. Joe Johnson's extension will be kicking in, probably starting at about $5.5 or $6 million (assuming a Maggette-like contract). The cap will have increased by a few million, and factor in raises under Marion's contract, Casey Jacobsen's, Amare's last year before his max-contract kicks in, salaries for 1st round picks, and we'll probably be about as far under the 2005 cap as we are under the 2004 cap, which is about $6 or $7 million. Because we'll be under the cap, we'll be able to make trades without regard to matching salaries.

Here's the team at the start of free agency in the summer of 2005:
Barbosa, Zarko and Lampe entering their third years.
Amare and Casey entering their fourth years.
Vujanic, our 2004 lottery pick and the Knicks 2004 pick entering their second years.
Our 2005 pick and (probably) the Cav's 2005 pick entering their rookie seasons.
That's ten players with three years or less playing experience. Add in the Matrix, Eisley and Jake Voskuhl, and that's 13 total players.
Now, the possible 2005 free agents: among them, Theo Ratliff, Tracy McGrady, Dale Davis, Sam Dalembert, Tyson Chandler and Eddie Curry, etc...

With so many young players, some of whom we know will attract interest on the market (Zarko, JJ, Barbosa, etc...), we'll be in a position to package two or three or four in a sign and trade (for example, if the Bulls aren't sold on Eddy Curry as a starting center, would they trade him in a sign and trade to the Suns for Barbosa, Lampe and a future pick? We'll be able to make those kinds of offers.) Or, we'll be able to add one mid-level veteran (Dale Davis) to our young guys and simply wait for them to develop.

In other words, if we hold on to what we have and use our cap space this summer on one-year contracts (McDyess? Wes Person?), we'll be in a much better position to add a premier free agent by waiting a year when there might be more than just one (Kobe) worth pursuing, and we'll know which of our young players we truly want to build around.
 

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JJ could be our Redd, Peja, Nash..... in regard that at the time that we sign him to a new contract or extension this offseason he will be ready to breakout and be underpaid for years to come.

Out great drafting was a money nightmare for us because Marion become an allstar so quickly that after his rookie contract he commanded big bucks already and Amare will be the same.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
JJ could be our Redd, Peja, Nash..... in regard that at the time that we sign him to a new contract or extension this offseason he will be ready to breakout and be underpaid for years to come.

Out great drafting was a money nightmare for us because Marion become an allstar so quickly that after his rookie contract he commanded big bucks already and Amare will be the same.

JJ should not even be used in the same sentence as Nash, Reed or Peja.
 

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Overall I think Travis has a point. I disagree with the details, but the concept of waiting until summer of 2005 to make the "big deal" is certainly a solid option.

One of the reasons the Suns screwed up when the signed Googs was that they were in a panic after Dice left. Even when he was healthy, he was not a good fit on a team without a power player at center. A lineup of Googs and Longley put two soft, finesse players in the lineup at the same time, which hurt both players and provided minimal defense. But Googs was the best prospect THAT YEAR. It is better to wait than to sign someone who does not fit.

A more complex issue is the proper use of draft picks Most good teams are built through the draft, but too many picks can be a distraction. Beyond the first four or five picks, it becomes difficult to match "best player" to team needs. Finding room and cap space for three draft picks in the same year can be a real headache. I'm guessing that if the Cleveland pick does come through, the Suns will trade it - possibly for a future pick.

I certainly agree that it makes sense to get a better handle on the young players the Suns already have. JJ is certainly capable of playing every night like he did against the Bucks, but so far has not been able to do it consistently. Casey is supposed to be a very good shooter, but seems reluctant to shoot. Barbosa looks like a future star, but he's only started two games. Carbakapa looks like the next Dirk, but he hasn't been healthy long enough to know. Lampe had great scounting reports but hasn't played.
Even White is still an unknown in that he did not go through training camp and is still learning the system.

I'm not sure we have enough information about these guys to make a solid judgment. Maybe waiting until summer 2005 would make more sense.
 

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I agree, I would definately rather wait then sign Kobe and have him destroy our chemestry by shooting the ball 40 times per night.
 

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Originally posted by frdbtr
I agree, I would definately rather wait then sign Kobe and have him destroy our chemestry by shooting the ball 40 times per night.

Did you mean "than sign Kobe"? :confused:
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
Did you mean "than sign Kobe"? :confused:

Great, now we have the grammar police on the board. Believe me, I have seen worse mistakes then this and have kept my mouth shut
 

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Originally posted by frdbtr
Great, now we have the grammar police on the board. Believe me, I have seen worse mistakes then this and have kept my mouth shut

Complaint is legitimate though- that one letter can change the whole tone and point of your post.
 

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Originally posted by frdbtr
Great, now we have the grammar police on the board. Believe me, I have seen worse mistakes then this and have kept my mouth shut

I know, I know. You're talking about some of the funny sentences in my posts. Go ahead. Everybody make fun of the guy using the voice software. :)

Seriously though... using "then" didn't change the entire meaning of your post even know I'm pretty sure we all know what you meant.

Joe Mama
 

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Originally posted by frdbtr
Great, now we have the grammar police on the board. Believe me, I have seen worse mistakes then this and have kept my mouth shut

Come on, it's all in fun. I admit it threw me the first time I read it. I got teased about confusing Darius Miles (Cavs) and Miles Davis (Jazz musician). We all make these boo boos. :wave:
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
Come on, it's all in fun. I admit it threw me the first time I read it. I got teased about confusing Darius Miles (Cavs) and Miles Davis (Jazz musician). We all make these boo boos. :wave:

At least I haven't seen you write "Kolbe" today :D
 

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right, so we're all agreed. no kobe on the suns. right.


right.


saying it over and over again doesn't make it make any more sense to me.
 

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Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
right, so we're all agreed. no kobe on the suns. right.


right.


saying it over and over again doesn't make it make any more sense to me.

I sure as hell am not saying that
 

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