Lumberjacks @ Wildcats Sept 3rd

[Gee!]

This should be no contest.. But after this game comes 4 straight games against ranked teams... Gonna be brutal.. Hopefully we can split those four..

But this is the season opener.. Gonna be good to have Wildcats football back.. Hopefully they arent looking ahead to that four game stretch when this one starts..

 

[Tyler]

14-10 at halftime.

Why did Stoops play Nick Foles and the rest of the starters the whole game?

If Foles gets protection he can hit Criner all day long, hell DA could hit Criner all day long against college teams.

Your DE's looked good, your OLine looked suspect. What are your projections for this season?

 

[Lefty]

This team will win at most, seven games. Even though Foles and Criner are seniors, next year's team will be better. The offensive and defensive lines are young and need to develop. I'm sure Stoops will be having tryouts on campus this week to see if anyone can kick an extra point on a consistent basis. Finally, I thought Ka'Deem Carey would never play a down for the Cats.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Finally, I thought Ka'Deem Carey would never play a down for the Cats.

Even worse for the Scummies he looks to be a star.

We will go as far as Nick Foles takes us. He plays average or even good we win 6 or 7 games. He plays like the first round pick he's supposed to be we could knock off a couple of these highly ranked teams and do some damage.

 

[Lefty]

Even worse for the Scummies he looks to be a star.

We will go as far as Nick Foles takes us. He plays average or even good we win 6 or 7 games. He plays like the first round pick he's supposed to be we could knock off a couple of these highly ranked teams and do some damage.

The defense is paperthin with all the injuries. Can't see more than 7 wins at the most. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Tyler]

09/03/11 vs. Northern Arizona

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Where do you see your 7 wins coming from? You have 2 more easy games vs Colorado and Louisiana-Lafayette but I dont see anymore cupcakes on there. UCLA is probably a W, that puts you at 4 wins, You may beat Oregon St but you catch them in the middle of the season when they are usually clicking, you beat SC last year but that doesnt mean anything this year. I see you guys as a 5-7 win team, just dont know where those other 2 wins come from.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

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Where do you see your 7 wins coming from? You have 2 more easy games vs Colorado and Louisiana-Lafayette but I dont see anymore cupcakes on there. UCLA is probably a W, that puts you at 4 wins, You may beat Oregon St but you catch them in the middle of the season when they are usually clicking, you
beat SC last year but that doesnt mean anything this year. I see you guys as a 5-7 win team, just dont know where those other 2 wins come from.

You want me to show you someone who knows nothing about football? They will go down a schedule and put a figurative "W" and "L" next to games on the schedule prior to the season. How about this tukee? The only two games I think we have no chance of winning is OSU at Stillwater and Stanford in Palo Alto. Otherwise we have the better QB in every game.

You fragging ASU fans come in here running your mouth about football because a couple of shills in the national media made the sophomoric leap "well gee ASU only lost by "only" a couple points to good teams last year so they are on their way!" what a joke. Same undisciplined players with less defensive depth due to key injuries and an unproven QB. So provided we have someone who can make a PAT in the last game of the season I'll tell you one win we WILL have. Blowout simple.

And then well kick your ass twice in basketball.

Uppity ASU fans haven't been to a bowl in 3 years and come into our forum asking us to "count our wins" because based on tukees expert analysis he just doesn't see it.

Ugh I hate ASU. Like wholeheartedly.

 

[Tyler]

I was to actually have a good conversation not be a douche like yourself. I am not going off the media hype, I am going off what I know and have seen in person. ASU is a 9 win team this year and Nogales Tech is a 5 win AT BEST team. Your line cant protect, Foles was flushed out numerous time against a BAD NAU team. Your D let a FRESHMAN QB in his FIRST start complete 95% of his passes in the first half. If it werent for a bogus snap infraction call, a non call on a fumble, and NAU being so bad you would have lost that game. You get your first team in the entire game. I cant wait to laugh at your dismay this season.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I was to actually have a good conversation not be a douche like yourself. I am not going off the media hype, I am going off what I know and have seen in person. ASU is a 9 win team this year and Nogales Tech is a 5 win AT BEST team. Your line cant protect, Foles was flushed out numerous time against a BAD NAU team. Your D let a FRESHMAN QB in his FIRST start complete 95% of his passes in the first half. If it werent for a bogus snap infraction call, a non call on a fumble, and NAU being so bad you would have lost that game. You get your first team in the entire game. I cant wait to laugh at your dismay this season.

9 wins based on what? Your last three seasons? Wake up sun devil fans - you haven't been over 6 games in THREE years (sweet football school btw) and you don't return an experienced QB, a very good coaching staff, and have lost 3 starters on defense. This is the
PAC 12 - your maybe Top 30 defense won't win you s--- here. You will get tore up by every team with a better QB in the conference which is EVERYONE other then maybe UCLA.

9 wins my ass. You'll underachieve again - and it will still be you best year in 4 - and then fire your coach and start over again. Face it you guys are known for scandal, porn stars, and murders and are a national joke as seen by multiple refernces on national shows and by
comedians.

We may (may) not have a better football season although that's 50/50 in my eyes. But at least we have basketball. What are you jokers gonna do when u wake up in December fresh off accepting your invite to the Sun Bowl and realize your back to square one?

 

[TJ]

I was to actually have a good conversation not be a douche like yourself. I am not going off the media hype, I am going off what I know and have seen in person. ASU is a 9 win team this year and Nogales Tech is a 5 win AT BEST team. Your line cant protect, Foles was flushed out numerous time against a BAD NAU team. Your D let a FRESHMAN QB in his FIRST start complete 95% of his passes in the first half. If it werent for a bogus snap infraction call, a non call on a fumble, and NAU being so bad you would have lost that game. You get your first team in the entire game. I cant wait to laugh at your dismay this season.

No you're not. Your quarterback situation is no better than it has been in recent years (I would argue ASU and UCLA have the worst QB situations in the PAC) and you still have Dennis Erickson, who in his mind retired 2 years ago, as your HC. Your defense is good, but the buck stops there for your team. Your offense is somewhere between garbage and horseshit.

I cannot praise UofA at all as we have some growing pains to go through, but to tell me ASU is any better is comical. So as a recommendation, I wouldn't come to a UofA board, thump your chest, and call yourself a 9 win team until you play actual competition. UC Davis' team is a notch above a middle of the road Juco team and you beat them by about the same point total as we beat NAU (come on, all of the crap above would have given them the win? Grow a brain). Beating them (not covering the spread mind you) should not instil any more confidence in your team.

ASU and UofA are 5-6 win teams. And that's taking into consideration Arizona's upcoming gauntlet of games.

BTW...who is this "Nogales Tech" team you speak of. Are they the team that plays Guadalupe State Community College in November??

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

09/03/11 vs. Northern Arizona

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Where do you see your 7 wins coming from? You have 2 more easy games vs Colorado and Louisiana-Lafayette but I dont see anymore cupcakes on there. UCLA is probably a W, that puts you at 4 wins, You may beat Oregon St but you catch them in the middle of the season when they are usually clicking, you beat SC last year but that doesnt mean anything this year. I see you guys as a 5-7 win team, just dont know where those other 2 wins come from.

Really? UA is a team that is only significantly better or worse than NAU, Oklahoma State, Stanford, Oregon, and ULL and fortunately four of those five are at home. They are fully capable of winning or losing against everybody else on the schedule because the Pac-12 as a whole isn't that good. I said 6-6 before the season and I'm sticking to that. ASU will be 8-4. The Devils just don't have enough overall talent and depth.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

14-10 at halftime.

Why did Stoops play Nick Foles and the rest of the starters the whole game?

If Foles gets protection he can hit Criner all day long, hell DA could hit Criner all day long against college teams.

Your DE's looked good, your OLine looked suspect. What are your projections for this season?

You do realize NAU was within a touchdown of your squad in the fourth quarter last year right?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

ASU and UofA are 5-6 win teams.

I'm going to avoid the rest of the pissing contest, but this is a ridiculous assertion. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

 

[TJ]

I'm going to avoid the rest of the pissing contest, but this is a ridiculous assertion. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

How is it ridiculous to assert that a six-win team in ASU, which has not improved at all in key categories in the offseason, is going to be more successful in 2011?

Both teams are not talented or well-coached enough to win more than 6 games. You're more than welcome to believe otherwise, but IMO you and other ASU fans are only fooling yourselves if you buy into the media hype (which has happened in the past). Your team still lacks the necessary offense to win 7 or more games. Your defense can only take you so far until teams force you into shootouts.

Like I told Tyler, I have little faith in the Wildcats this season, but I cannot buy into any chance of ASU being a contender until it demonstrates a semblance of an offense. In addition to which, I don't think your coach has the right mindset anymore to lead the team beyond my prediction of 5-6 wins. Erickson should have retired a couple of years ago and I believe Lisa Love makes sure it's his last year at ASU.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

How is it ridiculous that a six-win team in ASU, which has not improved at all in key categories in the offseason, is going to be more successful in 2011?

Both teams are not talented or well-coached enough to win more than 6 games. You're more than welcome to believe otherwise, but IMO you and other ASU fans are only fooling yourselves if you buy into the media hype (which has happened in the past). Your team still lacks the necessary offense to win 7 or more games. Your defense can only take you so far until teams force you into shootouts.

Like I told Tyler, I have little faith in the Wildcats this season, but I cannot buy into any chance of ASU being a contender until it demonstrates a semblance of an offense. In addition to which, I don't think your coach has the right mindset anymore to lead the team beyond my prediction of 5-6 wins. Erickson should have retired a couple of years ago and I believe Lisa Love makes sure it's his last year at ASU.

I repeat myself.

I'm going to avoid the rest of the pissing contest, but this is a ridiculous assertion. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

 

[TJ]

I repeat myself.

I'm going to avoid the rest of the pissing contest, but this is a ridiculous assertion.

What "pissing" contest? I'm not Tyler who intentionally comes to the other school's board to stir the pot. Rather, I try to give as objective of an assessment as possible for both teams. You wouldn't be engaging in a "pissing" contest if you gave me your opinion.

Tell me why my assertion is "ridiculous." You imply that me stating UofA and ASU will have identical records, give or take a win, is an insult to ASU fans and that somehow ASU will be worlds ahead.

I can tell you have a boatload of confidence in your team as you are trying to make a wager with me.

Quite frankly, I have little confidence in UofA accomplishing much this season, so I'm really not pitting one against the other.

 

[Tyler]

No you're not. Your quarterback situation is no better than it has been in recent years (I would argue ASU and UCLA have the worst QB situations in the PAC) and you still have Dennis Erickson, who in his mind retired 2 years ago, as your HC. Your defense is good, but the buck stops there for your team. Your offense is somewhere between garbage and horseshit.

I cannot praise UofA at all as we have some growing pains to go through, but to tell me ASU is any better is comical. So as a recommendation, I wouldn't come to a UofA board, thump your chest, and call yourself a 9 win team until you play actual competition. UC Davis' team is a notch above a middle of the road Juco team and you beat them by about the same point total as we beat NAU (come on, all of the crap above would have given them the win? Grow a brain). Beating them (not covering the spread mind you) should not instil any more confidence in your team.

ASU and UofA are 5-6 win teams. And that's taking into consideration Arizona's upcoming gauntlet of games.

BTW...who is this "Nogales Tech" team you speak of. Are they the team that plays Guadalupe State Community College in November??

How is this assumption working out for you TJ? Enjoy basketball season, it starts soon right?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

How is this assumption working out for you TJ? Enjoy basketball season, it starts soon right?

It actually doesn't work out so bad for us since Erickson will beat up on enough scrub teams this year to win eight or nine games forcing you guys to give the 65 year old an extension in the $2 million range. That means the ABOR will then be forced to open up the purse strings for our new coach and that number will open up a bunch more doors for Greg Byrne. So at that point we will have our new coach and you guys will graduate or send to the NFL almost half your roster and the program will inevitably regress due to your marginal recruiting the last couple years during the hot seat years.


So to be 100% honest, this season isn't the worst thing for us. Just like Zendejas missing those XP's long-term helped us out because Stoops gets an extension with a win that night and we would not be here today or anytime soon if he was extended.

 

[Gaddabout]

It actually doesn't work out so bad for us since Erickson will beat up on enough scrub teams this year to win eight or nine games forcing you guys to give the 65 year old an extension in the $2 million range. That means the ABOR will then be forced to open up the purse strings for our new coach and that number will open up a bunch more doors for Greg Byrne. So at that point we will have our new coach and you guys will graduate or send to the NFL almost half your roster and the program will inevitably regress due to your marginal recruiting the last couple years during the hot seat years.


So to be 100% honest, this season isn't the worst thing for us. Just like Zendejas missing those XP's long-term helped us out because Stoops gets an extension with a win that night and we would not be here today or anytime soon if he was extended.

I generally agree with everything except either ASU or UA getting $2 million a year for a football coach. Erickson *might* get $1.5 million if the season continues to go well, but I still don't see UA getting that unless they're going after a seasoned head coach themselves -- and you and I know that's not very competitive. Besides, ASU won't talk contract extension until the season is over because Erickson still has another year to go under his current one.