Maiocco: Ex-NFL Scout Believes 49ers are Starting Wrong QB

moklerman

Rise from the Ashes III
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Posts
5,318
Reaction score
811
Location
Bakersfield, CA
http://www.csnbayarea.com/07/02/10/...ng_maiocco_v3.html?blockID=265052&feedID=5936
Matt Maiocco
CSNBayArea.com
The late Tony Razzano was the head of the 49ers scouting department and deserves as much -- if not, more -- historical accolades as Bill Walsh for the franchise's drafts that largely stocked the roster with players that won five Super Bowls.

His son, Dave, 50, spent his first season out of the game last year after more than two decades when the Arizona Cardinals let him go as a regional scout following the franchise's first Super Bowl.


Dave Razzano, who worked for the 49ers from 1988 to '92, has been with five teams that went to Super Bowls. Two of those Super Bowl teams had Joe Montana. Kurt Warner was the quarterback of the other three. Razzano has some strong opinions about the 49ers' current quarterback position.



He got fired after more than a decade as a Rams scout four years ago in large part because of his defense of a critical pre-draft evaluation of quarterback Alex Smith, Razzano told Comcast SportsNet.



"I had him rated as a non-starting player," Razzano said of Smith, whom the 49ers selected with the top overall pick in the 2005 draft.



Even as Smith enters his sixth professional season, 49ers followers are divided on Smith's ability to be a successful NFL quarterback. Smith has said he realizes he will not be able to win over all of his naysayers. And when it comes to those critics, Razzano is at the front of the line.



"I thought he was way over-drafted and way overrated," Razzano said. "I don't think I've been proven wrong. The guy hasn't done it, and he'll get another opportunity. He's getting a little better with the touchdown throws to Vernon Davis. But, boy, the guy I saw at Utah, I was shocked people had him rated that high."



Razzano said then-Rams general manager Charlie Armey asked him to change his grade on Smith to conform with the higher grades others in the Rams' draft room had assigned Smith. The scene escalated into an ugly shouting match. Razzano said he refused to alter his evaluation of Smith. It was the beginning of the end with the Rams for Razzano, he said. He was fired after the 2006 draft (Armey did not immediately respond to CSNBayArea.com's call.)


Razzano quickly landed with the Cardinals. Shortly after the Cardinals' appearance in the Super Bowl, Razzano's contract was not renewed after cuts to the team's scouting department, he said.



Having worked in the scouting departments for three NFC West franchises, Razzano pays close attention to the happenings within the division. He lives in Sacramento and remains intrigued by the 49ers' quarterback situation. He said he is a firm believer the 49ers are starting the wrong quarterback.



Smith got back on the field last season after missing most of 2007 and all of 2008 with shoulder injuries. He showed enough to head coach Mike Singletary and offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye to nail down the starting job. Smith completed 60.5 percent of his passes with 18 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. His 81.5 passer rating ranked 19th in the league. The 49ers were 5-5 in games Smith started.



Over the past several months, Smith drew lavish praise from his teammates and 49ers coaches for his offseason practice sessions and his leadership off the field. But Razzano remains skeptical. He said he does not believe the 49ers can win with Smith at quarterback.


"I think he's exactly what I thought he'd be -- maybe a little worse," Razzano said. "I thought he'd be a decent backup. But I watch him now, he just doesn't have the winning mentality. But he's a good kid and a smart kid and he probably looks good in practice. He misses simple 7-yard outs. He's just not accurate and he doesn't have the moxie."


One quarterback on the 49ers' roster Razzano said he believes can be a highly successful NFL player is Nate Davis, who entered the NFL draft following his junior season at Ball State. Razzano said he had Davis rated higher than Smith as an NFL prospect.



"When I evaluated him, I thought he was the same guy as Mark Sanchez," Razzano said. "I thought they were very similar. But you have to put a guy on the field and let him play. There's a reason Ball State was, like, 12-1 or 13-1 for the first time ever. And now they're back to winning two games. That guy was a heck of a quarterback.



"They might say, 'He doesn't learn this or that.' If they just handed him the keys, that's their answer. He'll make mistakes, but he won't make the same mistake twice. This kid made every throw imaginable. It wasn't a short-passing game (at Ball State). There would be guys in his face and he'd roll out, man, he hit guys on a 30-yard freakin' strike between defenders. The kid was unbelievable. I knew he'd fall (in the draft) because in the spring all that garbage comes in."



Davis tumbled down draft boards after he played his final game at Ball State, presumably because of a learning disability. The 49ers selected Davis late in the fifth round. He might get an opportunity this summer to compete with David Carr for the team's backup position, but he poses no immediate threat to Smith's status as the starter.



The Cardinals have won two consecutive NFC West titles. The 49ers, coming off an 8-8 record, are expected to seriously contend for the division title. In a survey of five preseason magazines, the 49ers were picked in each to win the division. But Razzano gives the slight nod to Arizona, he said.


"It's a two-horse race," Razzano said. "You just throw out Seattle and St. Louis. They are so far away, personnel-wise.



"It's really only two teams. Losing Warner, there are a lot of question marks for the Cardinals. You can pick one or the other, Cardinals or 49ers. (Cardinals quarterback Matt) Leinart is a big question mark. I know those coaches don't care for him. I was there. I know that for a fact. He just doesn't prepare.



"But Leinart, I feel, is better than Smith. In terms of that division, I still give the edge to the Cardinals. It'll be a dogfight. The 49ers will be what they are, 8-8, maybe 9-7 this year because of the division. But I don't see them being a legitimate playoff team because of Alex Smith."
Never heard of this guy but he seems to at least stand his ground on his opinions and he's pretty tied into the NFC West. Also seems like a little bit of sour grapes but I thought the Leinart quotes were at least on topic.

Somewhat disconcerting considering he says the coaches don't really like him but it's another opinion to consider.

I didn't follow much of Nate Davis until I saw him in preseason games for the 49ers and it surprises me that they are apparently so unwilling to give him a chance to play. Maybe the learning disability is just that but when I saw him play, he looked pretty darned good. He's essentially buried on the their depth chart at this point.


 

RugbyMuffin

ASFN IDOL
Joined
Apr 30, 2003
Posts
30,485
Reaction score
4,877
Great find.

At least we know who the "sources" were when it came to the coaches not being all in on Matt Leinart.

We will see.
 
OP
OP
moklerman

moklerman

Rise from the Ashes III
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Posts
5,318
Reaction score
811
Location
Bakersfield, CA
Dang, I screwed up the thread title. Mod's feel free to fix the portion at the end that got duplicated.

RugbyMuffin, you can't be all bad if you like the Madagascar Penguins. :) I get a real kick out of that show.

The part that's troublesome about this article is that this guy seems to tell it like it is in addition to a few of those things being spot on. I don't completely agree with everything that he says but I can't see the benefit for him to say the Cardinals coaches aren't thrilled with Leinart's preparation if that isn't really the case.
 

JeffGollin

ASFN Icon
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
20,472
Reaction score
3,056
Location
Holmdel, NJ
I don't think Randazzo was able to articulate what he feels are Alex Smith's problems - he's just providing the bottom line (i.e. that he doesn't think Smith has what it takes). He says that Smith is smart and can make all the throws but that there's something missing.

I think what he's getting at is that Smith lacks the proverbial "it" factor (the "can-do/will-do" aspect of the mental/emotional part of playing QB). I've always felt Smith was a little shaky under pressure.

Randazzo's take on Leinart (i.e. doesn't prepare/coaches don't really like him) is a bit disconcerting. But we should remember that his take on Matt is more a snapshot in time from a couple of years ago and that Leinart may have been able to outgrow his problems during the past 2 years (although Randazzo - like many other people including my psychoanalyst wife - seems to believe that you can't change a person's intrinsic character - "what you start with is what you'll inevitably get").

The Kool-Aid side of my brain suggests that we consider the Leinart work-ethic/coaches' lack of regard issues raised by Randazzo as "red flags" that Matt must overcome. Although the Cardinal brass is saying all the right things about Leinart, we won't know whether he's where he has to be until he proves it on the field during the next couple of months.

Final point - A lot of us have been very tough on ESPN and NFL Net for repeating the "lack of preparation/coaches don't totally/like him" rap on Leinart. We couldn't pin down where that info came from. Just a guess, but I can't help but wonder out loud whether Randazzo (who I believe is considered a "good interview" by the media) may have been the source all along -& that his loose lips may be why SF and AZ decided to de-hire him.
 

Russ Smith

The Original Whizzinator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
89,367
Reaction score
41,280
This has been a topic in the Bay Area of course. I don't disagree with him I never liked Smith and said so prior to the draft. however there is some question as to how much of this is the truth.

They were talking about it last night on CSN and one guy pointed out why were the Rams arguing in their draft room about Alex Smith? He was the first pick in the draft that year, the Rams took Alex Barron at 19, by draft time it was WELL known that Smith wouldn't be there when the Rams picked so were they considering trading up for Smith, otherwise it made no sense for them to be arguing about him, they should have been debating Aaron Rodgers who went 24th. The Rams did pick a QB that year, 7th round Ryan Fitzpatrick.

I have to admit it does make some sense, why would Razzano's opinion of Alex Smith be important to enough to get him fired if the Rams had no reasonable chance at even picking him?

I don't disagree with his take on the Cards, but as Jeff points out, that was 2 years ago, he hasn't been here since and we've all heard that Matt's preparation has improved significantly since watching Kurt take the team to the Superbowl that year.

I actually wasn't impressed with Davis when I saw him play in the preseason, he looked really raw, and he's not that tall which seemed to give him trouble in the pocket. He's got a pretty strong arm but not a gun. But he hasn't really played yet so you never know if Razzano might be right or not.
 

RugbyMuffin

ASFN IDOL
Joined
Apr 30, 2003
Posts
30,485
Reaction score
4,877

The Kool-Aid side of my brain suggests that we consider the Leinart work-ethic/coaches' lack of regard issues raised by Randazzo as "red flags" that Matt must overcome. Although the Cardinal brass is saying all the right things about Leinart, we won't know whether he's where he has to be until he proves it on the field during the next couple of months.

Final point - A lot of us have been very tough on ESPN and NFL Net for repeating the "lack of preparation/coaches don't totally/like him" rap on Leinart. We couldn't pin down where that info came from. Just a guess, but I can't help but wonder out loud whether Randazzo (who I believe is considered a "good interview" by the media) may have been the source all along -& that his loose lips may be why SF and AZ decided to de-hire him.


Agreed on all points. Especially on the fact that Randazzo is umemployed for a reason, so take it with a grain of salt.

At least Leinart passes the 26-27-60 rule: (35 on the Wonderlic BTW)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/john_lopez/07/08/qb.rule/index.html


If only there was a fool-proof way to analyze NFL QB's......... Kowalski! Options!
 

vinnymac

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Mar 24, 2005
Posts
3,022
Reaction score
0
Ego's always play a factor with people who make the decision. Scouts get to keep their jobs if they are right about players. Randazzo is going to say he right to the bitter end. I don't believe people are what they are in their early 20's. Their is a maturity process that everyone goes through when starting out on their own. I believe Leinart still has Maturing to do. I also believe that he is maturing as we speak. He is the man now. That feeds into his ego to be the best. I believe he going to do everything he can do to be the best.
 

Latest posts

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
561,672
Posts
5,480,751
Members
6,337
Latest member
61_Shasta
Top