Markieff's rebounding

[sunsfan88]

This really can't be said enough...Kieff needs to improve his rebounding. I get that he can score and he's good at it (even though he's inconsistent as s**t at that too) but how the hell is so terrible at the other end of the court?

He's isn't a player who is new to the NBA or anything anymore, next season will be his FIFTH in the league. And its not like he's too small or anything either, he's 6'10, 245 lbs.

Look at his rebounding numbers through his game log, especially look at how little rebounds he has even in games he plays a ton of minutes

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6461/markieff-morris

You can make the case that he's maybe the worst rebounder among all starting PFs in the conference right now. He's definitely bottom 5. Considering how much everyone used to bitch about Amare's rebounding, he was much better Kieff in this category.

I get that askin for 10 rebounds might be a little too much for Kieff but considering he doesn't play a lick of defense either, can't he at least make up for it by averaging at least like 8 boards a game like how Love does?

I don't get it, he watches Len play defense and rebound his ass off, doesn't it ever motivate him into thinking "Wow, maybe I should become a little like him and rebound and defend better too considering he's like 5 years younger than me and already way better at it".

Kieff actually became a WORSE rebounder this year than he was last year which is even more baffling considering he's playing way more minutes this year than last (nearly 5 mins more PER GAME).

 

[SweetD]

Don't get me wrong Keif sucks at Reb, but you have to also remember Len is taking a lot of those boards away. Kind of like Griffin and Jordan in LAC.

Kief is far less athletic, but only getting 2 rebounds less a game.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, I can't defend him anymore. I don't know what's going on with the twins but they've been a huge letdown. Keef, since just before he went off on Cleveland, has been very inconsistent and he's gone from being a poor rebounder to not even pretending to rebound. I don't think he had a single board until late in the 3rd quarter tonight. Inexcusable.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Don't get me wrong Keif sucks at Reb, but you have to also remember Lin is taking a lot of those boards away. Kind of like Griffin and Jordan in LAC.

Kief is far less athletic, but only getting 2 rebounds less a game.

Yea but the Clippers are actually one of the best rebounding teams in the league. You can't really say, Kieff isn't getting boards because everyone else is hoarding them because we're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, while Len is doing good job of getting boards, there is still plenty of boards that he doesn't get which Kieff should be getting.

Even before Len started, Kieff was still a terrible rebounder with Plumlee as starter.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Don't get me wrong Keif sucks at Reb, but you have to also remember Lin is taking a lot of those boards away. Kind of like Griffin and Jordan in LAC.

Kief is far less athletic, but only getting 2 rebounds less a game.

2 fewer rebounds a game is quite a bit but I'm not sure who you're comparing him to because the numbers don't line up. Anyway, Keef and Len average about the same number of rebounds but Markieff plays 10 more minutes per game. Regardless, it's hard to win in this league if your 2 leading rebounders only average about 12 boards combined per game.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Don't get me wrong Keif sucks at Reb, but you have to also remember Len is taking a lot of those boards away. Kind of like Griffin and Jordan in LAC.

Kief is far less athletic, but only getting 2 rebounds less a game.

if we were consistently outrebounding teams, the above could be argued... but seeing as we aren't and get smushed on the board a lot, I just don't see how it's possible that Len's taking boards away from him.

as to the Clips... the reason they're not as good as they have been is because of the same thing. They regularly get outrebounded, which means there's plenty of opportunity for other people to get boards besides Jordan. Griffin just ain't attacking them like he did his first couple years.

 

[SweetD]

Yea but the Clippers are actually one of the best rebounding teams in the league. You can't really say, Kieff isn't getting boards because everyone else is hoarding them because we're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, while Len is doing good job of getting boards, there is still plenty of boards that he doesn't get which Kieff should be getting.

Even before Len started, Kieff was still a terrible rebounder with Plumlee as starter.

FYI suns get more rebounds per game 42.6, that Clippers 41.9. FYI Clips are at the 7th worse reb team in the league.

 

[sunsfan88]

FYI suns get more rebounds per game 42.6, that Clippers 41.9. FYI Clips are at the 7th worse reb team in the league.

Whoa that's surprising. I don't put much into stats but I would have definitely expected Clippers to be top 5. I didn't think Blake Griffin makes that much of a difference rebounding wise.

 

[SweetD]

Whoa that's surprising. I don't put much into stats but I would have definitely expected Clippers to be top 5.

Now like the Suns they shoot a very high % and opponents shoot a high % then there is less opportunity for rbs.

But still Keiff sucks at Rebounding. He doesn't hustle for boards and is constantly being out of position.

 

[3rdside]

Is this even worth discussion? I mean, we know he sucks at rebounding so what are we going to conclude here that we haven't already? He doesn't put in the effort, maybe it's short arms...he sucks at rebounding. We don't need another thread on this.

SweetD - will get back to you on Blanks asap.

 

[Phrazbit]

We average a decent looking figure in rebounds but our pace is the reason for that, rather than our skill on the boards.

We're 27th in the league in rebounding differential.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/rebounds-per-game/sort/avgReboundsDifference

Thats pretty nasty. I disagree that Morris is getting his boards taken away by teammates because Len isn't exactly a monster in the stat either and Markieff plays plenty of minutes without Len on the court, and its not like Kieff has been strong on the glass at any point in his career previously.

I would not be too broken up to see the Suns sell high on him this summer.

 

[AzStevenCal]

FYI suns get more rebounds per game 42.6, that Clippers 41.9. FYI Clips are at the 7th worse reb team in the league.

Yeah but without considering other factors such as pace, it really doesn't tell us much. I think it's much more revealing that we have the 4th worst rebounding differential in the league. We are upside down in rebounds by 2 more per game than the Clippers for example who are themselves a poor rebounding team. I think individual rebounds get overrated as a stat but when your team consistently gets hurt on the boards, that's a problem.

Steve

 

[slinslin]

we outrebounded Bostson 50-42.

Nobody on this team gets to the freethrow line except Bledsoe.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We average a decent looking figure in rebounds but our pace is the reason for that, rather than our skill on the boards.

We're 27th in the league in rebounding differential.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/rebounds-per-game/sort/avgReboundsDifference

Thats pretty nasty. I disagree that Morris is getting his boards taken away by teammates because Len isn't exactly a monster in the stat either and Markieff plays plenty of minutes without Len on the court, and its not like Kieff has been strong on the glass at any point in his career previously.

I would not be too broken up to see the Suns sell high on him this summer.

My cat jumped up on my keyboard otherwise my nearly identical post would haven't been rendered unnecessary by yours.

If I were King of the Suns, I would start the twins and I would do everything I could to make the game as easy as possible for them. Then, having put up decent numbers, I'd trade them to Philadelphia (or whoever) for a big man and a pick or two. If they get the 1st pick I could see them perhaps moving on from Embiid. Maybe our training staff along with a good dietician could save his career.

I'd also trade Tucker for a 1st round pick and I'd use our next 5 or 6 picks on nothing but big men. We need another Len and we need 3 more forwards, assuming they are as high on Warren as some of us are. If not, we need 4 more forwards.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

My cat jumped up on my keyboard otherwise my nearly identical post would haven't been rendered unnecessary by yours.

If I were King of the Suns, I would start the twins and I would do everything I could to make the game as easy as possible for them. Then, having put up decent numbers, I'd trade them to Philadelphia (or whoever) for a big man and a pick or two. If they get the 1st pick I could see them perhaps moving on from Embiid. Maybe our training staff along with a good dietician could save his career.

I'd also trade Tucker for a 1st round pick and I'd use our next 5 or 6 picks on nothing but big men. We need another Len and we need 3 more forwards, assuming they are as high on Warren as some of us are. If not, we need 4 more forwards.

Steve

I think Hinkie is too smart to do that. Move Embiid without even seeing play first? Risky for them. I don't think his career needs "saving" either, he should be ready for next season. Plus Morris twins may actually win them some games and I doubt Hinkie would want that.

I like your idea on Tucker but seeing as how McD was praising Tucker for being ultimate team guy and unselfish guy and all that, I don't think he would deal Tucker.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Hinkie is too smart to do that. Move Embiid without even seeing play first? Risky for them. I don't think his career needs "saving" either, he should be ready for next season. Plus Morris twins may actually win them some games and I doubt Hinkie would want that.

I like your idea on Tucker but seeing as how McD was praising Tucker for being ultimate team guy and unselfish guy and all that, I don't think he would deal Tucker.

Maybe but from what I've read, I'm not sure they'd have drafted him if they could do it all over again. There are questions about his weight, his immaturity and his work ethic and that's not a good thing when you're talking about someone going through rehab. My hope would be they still love him enough that they'd be willing to part with the Okafor pick but that's probably even more doubtful than the idea they might be willing to part with Joel. Anyway, they can't keep tanking forever. At some point they are going to have to start playing to win and I think that happens next season.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Maybe but from what I've read, I'm not sure they'd have drafted him if they could do it all over again. There are questions about his weight, his immaturity and his work ethic and that's not a good thing when you're talking about someone going through rehab. My hope would be they still love him enough that they'd be willing to part with the Okafor pick but that's probably even more doubtful than the idea they might be willing to part with Joel. Anyway, they can't keep tanking forever. At some point they are going to have to start playing to win and I think that happens next season.

Steve

Looks like you were right

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhei...red-anyone-on-their-team-for-more-no-1-picks/

I wonder if we could have maybe him if we dealt them the LAL pick along with the Miami and Cle picks.