Matrix Revolutions: With Spoilers

[Mike Olbinski]

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Hey Stout, from the other thread about the line...was it (shoot, now I forget the exact line...) "Go get 'em kid."??? That had to be it...cheese city, rotfl! And why did he have to run all the way over there to shoot the chains?

Okay, I'll start off by saying I liked this movie 10 times better than the last one. Probably because it was actually like a complete movie, whereas the last one didn't leave you with much at the end.

The movie starts off somewhat slow I thought, and the getting Neo back part lacked any real difficulty IMO. I would have liked to see Neo get himself out of that place. They seemed to use it as an excuse to get the Frenchman back in the movie again.

However, once that part ended, the movie really took off. I loved the plot, the ending was awesome. Whoever wrote their reviews saying this movie didn't answer a lot or questions is nuts. There was a definite end...and yes, maybe the beginning of something else...but that doesn't necessarily mean they left us hanging.

The battle for Zion...wow...I mean, the special effects rock anything I've ever seen before. The swarms of sentinels...just wow.

And finally, the battle with Smith at the end....holy crap, that was about the most epic, supernatural battle ever created for a movie. That's was probably equal to, if not better, than Gandalf fighting the Balrog in Two Towers. I mean, the scale of it, all over the city...powerful. That was exactly what I wanted to see. I think Bill Mueller or Ebert, or Roper, said this movie lacked the freeway chase-type scene....well, I would take this battle over the freeway scene anyday.

And maybe I'm dense, but when Neo was travelling to the Robot City...I had no clue it was to team up against Smith...and I thought that was an AWESOME twist, and it worked.

Yeah, the dialogue wasn't the greatest at times, but I definitely liked a lot of the lines between Neo, the Oracle, Smith, etc. The ones that mattered.

However...Neo, Trinity....they do leave you hanging with them I guess, but to me, it doesn't ruin the movie. He was the ONE that would save mankind and end the war...maybe that was by giving his life...but you know he's not dead...Trinity...well, who knows.

Anyways, I will see this one again, and I NEVER say Reloaded a second time.

I'm looking forward to other opinions out there.

Mike

 

[Dan H]

My only issue was the explanation of Neo's psychic ability to destroy the sentinels. The "Matrix in a Matrix" explanation made a heck of a lot more sense. Other than that I agree with your take Mike.

 

[Stout]

The cheese moment was when the train pulled up and Trinity stepped off. I mean, it was very short, very poorly acted, had the stupid, cheesy music and everything! I was waiting for it to be a dream, or for shooting to start, or something. I remember thinking, 'man, they couldn't have MEANT to do this!' Well, they did, and it was a lousy bridge to further the plot.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by Stout
The cheese moment was when the train pulled up and Trinity stepped off. I mean, it was very short, very poorly acted, had the stupid, cheesy music and everything! I was waiting for it to be a dream, or for shooting to start, or something. I remember thinking, 'man, they couldn't have MEANT to do this!' Well, they did, and it was a lousy bridge to further the plot.

Yeah, I agree with that. I thought you meant a line in the movie, not a scene, I misunderstood.

Anyways, you're right...which was my point about wishing they had had Neo find a way out, something better than Trinity arriving on the train...agreed, lame part.

The beginning was lame pretty much, but after they rescued him, it got good.

Mike

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Neo=Jesus Christ.

Basically the end of the movie explaned it as such. He is our blinded savior returned from prior incarnations to die one more time to free his people from bondage. He is even carted off in a crucifix type position.

The blend between all the philosophies was AWESOME!!!

I found it stunning.

 

[Chaz]

I was a bit underwhelmed by the final Matrix installment.

The early dialog was pretty weak. The change of the oracle was unfortunate. The contrived explanation of her apperance seemed to dilute the rest of the plot points involving her.

The action was good and I am glad I went to see it. Maybe I expected to much.

I still don't quite understand the little girl. Was there a point to her being there?

I also am still a little unclear as to Neo's connection to the machines.

The first movie was still the best IMO. Much darker and more stylish. More of a complete movie.

The 2nd and 3rd were just 1 long movie split in two.

 

[DRVNFAST]

While it did give conclusion to the story line I thought it was completely anti-climactic. IMO too much bs and not enough fighting.

 

[Cheesebeef]

just saw it - I loved it - were there a few cheesy moments - yeah - butman the carnage that was on screen and the stories told and the fight for survival was unbelievable and then the twist - the machines and Neo need each other to survive - just like the chancellor and Neo talked about down in engineering dock in Reloaded. Awesome movie - it was tghe first movie in at least two years that I never even got close to look at my phone to check what time it was - the entire story and arc of the story from beginning (Matrix) to end (Revolutions) was absolutely awesome - I think this movie will end up doing great after word of mouth spreads on it - it moves much faster than Reloaded and I can't believe that once people start telling others about this - this movie will have very sturdy legs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I have to ask - after finally reading reviews of this movie now after I have seen it - what the hell were people expecting - THE MEANING OF LIFE!? It's a freaking sci-fi action movie with philosophical undertones - UNDERTONES! I think people just built the original up in their heads WAY too much, especially considering that everyone who watched the first trailer were probably rolling their eyes at another Keanu Reeves computer movie (anyone remember Johnny Neumonic?) - Then after exploding on screen, there was a four year wait to build of hype - four years is a long time for people to wait and even longer time for people to rationalize about how incredible the first was and why. I think the response to this movie basically has been done in by just how really good the original was - that was the true philsophical spectrum of the story - and the great sci-fi premise to boot.

Now this is gonna sound a little out of whack and I don't entirely buy what I'm about to say but a piece of me believes it - This is a time in our history where people are questioning everything - no one feels safe, no one feels comfort with anything going on around us - and I think that in this time people are looking for answers to their fears and questions - The Matrix raised interesting issues as a backdrop to some jaw-dropping action - but I actually think people were looking for something they could believe in and trust and even have a movie where the filmakers are somewhat able to provide something comforting as far as the meaning of life . . . well guess what - THEY ARE ONLY FILMMAKERS - NOT ORACLES OR GOD! None of us have the answers folks and nothing on screen is gonna tell us what the answers are - It IS A MOVIE - don't take things so seriously - the basic tenets of this movie comes down to two things above all else as far as messages are concerned and they were hit on the head - Freedom of choice is what distinguishes us from every other thin on this planet and never, never stop believing - no matter what it is you believe in - I thought they got that point across pretty well.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I finally saw it last night, and I was very pleasantly surprised with how much I enjoyed the film. I had already heard and read a slew of negative reviews of the film. Those people were all wrong.

I agree cheesy, I think some people expected way to much from the conclusion of this triology. I went to be entertained, and I was!

 

[Stout]

An entertaining movie? Oh yes, certainly. A truly good, deep movie (like the first Matrix)? Eh, not!

 

[schutd]

FInally saw it last night. SO much better than Reloaded. Reloaded just tried to punch you in the face with religion and philosophy and forgot about the truly sci-fi action aspect on the film it should have stayed true to.

This one might as well have been RAMBO. Sure there was still some good philosophy and religion theory in there, but it didnt bog you down like it did in Reloaded.

Plenty of standard action movie cheese ( Hell, they might has well have cast Jean Claude Van Damme as the Officer who led the team of ATCs or BPMs or AMPs or whatever they were caled that whole scene of him belting out the yell and firing non stop only needed to have the slow mo yell and the obligatory camera shot of the shells piling up around him to push it over the top. But whatever. It IS an action movie, so I was OK with it.

The computer animation seemed MUCH more fluid in this one. It didnt bother nearly as much as it did in Reloaded.

You guys talked about them leaving us hanging with Neo and Trinity. How so? Arent they both freaking dead?

A fine ending to the trilogy. I only saw Reloaded once. Remind me what happened with the Oracle that the "change" in this one bothered some people. I dont remember that whol aspect of it.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Originally posted by schutd

A fine ending to the trilogy. I only saw Reloaded once. Remind me what happened with the Oracle that the "change" in this one bothered some people. I dont remember that whol aspect of it.

The actress who played her before died, so they needed to write in some change in her for the new actress.

Mike

 

[Chaplin]

Better than Reloaded, but not much better.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Better than Reloaded, but not much better.

Deep.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by schutd
Deep.

It's not worth more than 7 words.

 

[schutd]

Come on. DO something!

Im wore than willing to admit that the love of The Matrix I had GREATLY influenced my expectations of Reloaded and Revolutions and they in noway are remotely as good as the first. But I was able to put that aside last night and drop all expectations ( pretty easy to do when you are so thoroughly dissapointed with the middle installment) and go into this film and try to enjoy it. And it was enjoyable.

Thank GOD they didnt have some silly ass rave at the end. The kid yelling "The War is over!" was cheesy enough.

 

[Chaplin]

The fact that there were plot holes you could drive a truck through didn't help, although it was good that there was at least more substance in this one, and only one real EFX shot that looked fake. I mean they really didn't even answer any questions. Seemed to be manipulative, and a cheap way to make fans want another movie.

 

[schutd]

I didnt leave wanting another. What did I miss? Neo and Trinity died, the human race was saved, and the Matirx was still there, in existence, only no one was there but the programs sent to run it. The girl, The Oracle and her guardian. The city scapes had been updated, alluding to the fact that the machines were no longer holding history in the late 20th century like they alluded to in the first one, and there were no humans around, in the Matrix as they were going to be released.

What was to want for? The whole "How long do you think this peace will last line", by the architect?

 

[Mike Olbinski]

What plot holes?

I was one that DID NOT leave the movie wanting another one, or wondering what happened...it did have an ending, and if people can't see that, I don't know what to say.

It was so obvious.

Mike

 

[Suns_fan69]

There were a few plot holes, and a few movie magic type events (i refuse to believe that after all that time the best the humans could come up with for defense was those hulking machines that offered no protection to the pilot, hell, even a tank is better than that.) but overall I agree with Mike and Schutd; it was an enjoyable movie.

Did they really rewrite the script for the new oracle? I am not really surprised but I thought the Wachowski (sp?) brothers maintained that her new shell was part of the original plot all along. I always thought it sounded fishy.

And for those who want to tie up any loose ends, check http://www.thematrix101.com . It offers up some solid explanations and ties the whole universe (animatrix, the game, etc) together. It is a bit of a fanboy site though so take it for what it's worth.

 

[Chaplin]

Number one, there is nothing that says Neo died. Nothing. In fact, the end actually implied that he WASN'T dead. How can you miss that since you claim to be fans?

What happened to the Morovingian? And Persephone? They totally disregarded characters, that while not major, were certainly interesting enough.

How come when the kid broke open the gate for the ship to fly through, he didn't get killed? In fact, they didn't show what happened to him. One minute he's in that machine opening the door, a second later the ship comes crashing through--25 minutes later he's with all the survivors yelling "the war is over"! Come on, you gotta be kidding me!

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Suns_fan69


Did they really rewrite the script for the new oracle? I am not really surprised but I thought the Wachowski (sp?) brothers maintained that her new shell was part of the original plot all along. I always thought it sounded fishy.

I'm not sure, from what I remember, I thought that the original actress died after filming was completed, but I could be wrong. If that is the case, then it was originally in the script, but why they would change actress playing the Oracle (assuming the other one still lived), I don't know.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Number one, there is nothing that says Neo died. Nothing. In fact, the end actually implied that he WASN'T dead. How can you miss that since you claim to be fans?

What happened to the Morovingian? And Persephone? They totally disregarded characters, that while not major, were certainly interesting enough.

How come when the kid broke open the gate for the ship to fly through, he didn't get killed? In fact, they didn't show what happened to him. One minute he's in that machine opening the door, a second later the ship comes crashing through--25 minutes later he's with all the survivors yelling "the war is over"! Come on, you gotta be kidding me!

Those are legit, but I think minor in comparison to the overall effect of the film. You got the impression that Neo lived? How? Im honest here, I must have missed it. The dude is spralwed out on the ground, like Jesus Christ. His existence in the Matrix is absorbed into Smith as the ultimate sacrifice, to allow the machines to regain control of SMith and ultimately destroy him, and when he is unplugged, he is carried off, still prone, ala King Auther at the end of Excalibur.

Im not kidding you. Thats how I saw it. Please tell me something different that you saw instead of once again typing things that make you out to sound like an elitist and a snob. (NOTE: IM not calling that, IM saying it feels like that, becasue I cant get any emotion from a typed word. But if you actually SPOKE to me like that, I might take offense, so early apologies if thats not what you meant.) Seriously though, tell me what you saw differnt that implied Neo was still alive.

 

[Chaplin]

No, no, I believe you. You have a different interpretation, nothing wrong with that. It's just I thought that regardless of interpretation, the implication that Neo might still be alive was blatant:

At the end, the Oracle was talking to the little Indian girl, and says that she expects they may see Neo again. One of the last lines of the movie.