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Smith: 'I think I'm ready'

By Chad Ford
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Friday, May 21

LOS ANGELES -- High school phenom J.R. Smith surprised a group of NBA scouts on Thursday when he showed up with several other SFX players and completed a workout for the Nuggets, Lakers, Clippers and Jazz.
After the workout, Smith told Insider he had hired agents Arn Tellem and Bob Myers and would be forgoing his college eligibility to stay in the draft. Smith had committed to North Carolina before a string of impressive performances at several high school all-star games.


Some scouts are calling J.R. Smith the top high schooler in this year's draft.
"I think I'm ready. I've ready elevated my game to a higher level," Smith told Insider. "The (high school) all-star games convinced me that I have what it takes to play in the NBA."
Smith had few surprises left on the court. His workout just confirmed what scouts already knew. He showed deep range on his jump shot and extraordinary leaping ability in a number of drills during a 45-minute workout with Texas' Byron Mouton and Texas Tech's Andre Emmett.
Afterward, one NBA scout predicted big things for Smith. "He's the best high school player in the draft from a preparedness standpoint," the scout told Insider. "He's got a great, NBA body and athleticism, and he's probably the best shooter in the draft. He's also got some star quality about him. I think at the end of the day, he's going to be the first two guard taken in the draft."
That assessment matches up with what Smith heard from the NBA draft committee when he submitted his name. "I got great feedback from the NBA (draft) committee," Smith told Insider. "I was told I could go anywhere (from) No. 1 to No. 16."
With so few players ready to make an immediate impact in the league, expect Smith to continue to rise on draft boards as we get closer June 22. That combination of athleticism, strength and shooting ability is very tough to beat when it comes to drafting a two guard.

Will Bulls draft Deng at No. 2? This really shouldn't come as a surprise, but a Bulls source told Insider this week that if Chicago ends up with the No. 2 pick and Emeka Okafor is off the board, the team likely will trade the pick or draft Luol Deng at No. 2.
"We just don't have the stomach to draft another high school kid," the source told Insider. "Based on what we've seen of Howard, he's closer to Kwame Brown than he is to LeBron. A lot closer."

Araujo rising? Another fast riser on many NBA draft boards is BYU's Rafael Araujo. Araujo, who has been working out in L.A. for the past month, put on a solid display of strength and aggressiveness in a recent workout against Colorado's David Harrison. Contrary to at least one printed report, Harrison did not quit the workout early, but several people who were in attendance claim he should have.


Araujo
"Araujo's in a different class than Harrison," the scout told Insider. "He outplayed him in every way imaginable."
What does that mean for Araujo's draft stock? Scouts are loving his toughness and fire. Several scouts also report he continues to improve his outside jumper and is even hitting college-range 3s with regularity. The biggest question about Araujo is basketball intelligence. The scouts who watched him extensively at BYU claim he made a lot of mistakes with the basketball and can be a poor decision-maker.
Still, scouts continue to rank Araujo as one of the top center prospects in the draft. He's had big workouts in both Portland and Seattle this week. Given his strong play, he could go anywhere from No. 12 (Seattle's likely spot) to No. 21 to Utah. Don't expect him to slip any lower at this point.


Samaradziski in for sure? Peja Samardziski had a great workout in Boston earlier in the week, and a source inside the Celtics claims if he's on the board when they pick, expected to be at No. 15, they'll take him. With that kind of assurance, it's very likely Samardziski won't pull out of the draft. But he might not even last to the 15th spot. Several teams above the Celtics like him, and there's speculation around the league he already has a promise from one of them.


Nelson vs. Telfair: Jameer Nelson has a series of workouts scheduled against Sebastian Telfair over the course of the next few weeks. It's an interesting choice by both agents. On paper at least, Nelson should have a clear advantage in strength, athleticism and experience. He should outplay Telfair badly, especially because Telfair's greatest strength -- his passing in the open court -- won't be on display in workouts.
However, Nelson also could wind up a big loser. If Telfair outplays him or even plays him to a draw, the hype machine will run out of control, and Nelson could see all the goodwill he's earned this year go down the drain. I'm always for guys working out against each other, but in this climate, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little surprised that both guys agreed to do it.

UCLA's Trevor Ariza made it official this week that he too will forego his college eligibility and stay in this year's draft. Ariza, like so many other players in this draft, is difficult to get a read on. He was widely considered one of the top high school players in the country last year and had a pretty decent rookie season for the Bruins.
Scouts are all over the board on him. Several believe that based on potential, he's a kid who will go somewhere in the 20s. Others think that he could easily be one of the kids who falls into the second round. The small forward class is the weakest it's been for a long time. Only Luol Deng, Josh Smith and Josh Childress are expected to be in the lottery. Several other swing players, including Oregon's Luke Jackson, should also end up in the first round.
However, after that it's a crap shoot. With so many big men and young international and high school players expected to dominate the second half of the draft, there's a chance Ariza and the rest of this small forward class could get squeezed out of the first round.

Adidas is hosting its first-ever Superstar Camp Asia this week. Adidas invited 50 players from Asia to participate. Twenty-two of them are 6-foot-7 and taller. They have a 14-year-old in the camp who already stands 7-foot tall. The general consensus from a handful of NBA scouts who are over there say that there is more talent (and athleticism) than they had expected. Former Knicks GM Scott Layden, Wizards point guard Gilbert Arenas and former Sonics forward Detlef Schrempf are attending the camp to help and -- in one interesting novelty -- trying to teach "basketball English" to the kids in the camp.


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I still like the idea of JR Smith if we can clear out some of our backlog. A great athlete who can run, a top shooter. I mean other than that, it doesn't really matter IMO.
 

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thegrahamcrackr said:
I still like the idea of JR Smith if we can clear out some of our backlog. A great athlete who can run, a top shooter. I mean other than that, it doesn't really matter IMO.

I think the Suns will go for a veteran rather than a HS player at guard. I'm not convinced he will be a good enough defender to play much early on, but the Suns will have a chance to have him work out see.
 

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If the Phoenix Suns believe J. R. Smith is a future superstar, especially if they believe he can contribute some next season, I believe they would take him. I mean I know that these reporters like Chad Ford make everyone out to be a great prospect, but Smith has great attributes. He's the best shooter in the draft. He is a super athlete. Supposedly he is a very hard worker who wants to be great (sound like any current Suns player?).

I just can't wait for this whole thing to get rolling.

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JR Smith appeared to have good defensive abilities at Hoops Summit against International prospects as well - where the USA H.S athletes played defense, unlike in McDonalds game. H.S players are hard to gauge when it comes to stats in NBA but with NBA body, athleticism, ability to run court, and shooting ability - Smith can work on ballhandling and passing. Adding Smith and Vujanic - Suns could sign a defensive bigman.

C: Free Agent, Lampe, Voskuhl, White
PF: Stoudemire, Lampe, Cabarkapa
SF: Marion, Johnson, Cabarkapa, Smith
SG: Johnson, Smith, Barbosa, Jacobsen
PG: Barbosa, Vujanic, Johnson, Eisley

Suns would have about 6 million to spend on a Free Agent Center. Stoudemire, Marion, Johnson, Smith, and Barbosa are all great athletes and while team last year was not a great defensive team - all 5 aren't big liabilities in a Playoffs series. A F.A defensive center to cover the paint (White still could be on team as well) and added offensive punch in Vujanic and Smith - Suns could make playoffs IMO...
 

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I think JR Smith will probably get drafted much earlier than he should be.


He didn't exactly crawl out from under a rock--people have known about him for a long time, and haven't considered him to be in the top echelon of HS seniors until very recently, thanks to his conscience-free play at the HS all-star games.

From his profile (and what little I've seen of him), he reminds me of the "toolsy" prospects you see in baseball. JR can do A, B, C, D...if he could really play, too, he'd be a great prospect...


If the Suns draft him, of course, I'll assume he's the real deal after all. :)
 

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F-Dog said:
I think JR Smith will probably get drafted much earlier than he should be.

He didn't exactly crawl out from under a rock--people have known about him for a long time, and haven't considered him to be in the top echelon of HS seniors until very recently, thanks to his conscience-free play at the HS all-star games.

From his profile (and what little I've seen of him), he reminds me of the "toolsy" prospects you see in baseball. JR can do A, B, C, D...if he could really play, too, he'd be a great prospect...

If the Suns draft him, of course, I'll assume he's the real deal after all. :)

If they take JR it will be because he is athletic and can shoot. Most of the players are either weak shooters (Iggy) or not terribly athletic (Luke Jackson comes to mind). But that doesn't mean JR is ready to play in the NBA.
 

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If they take JR it will be because he is athletic and can shoot. Most of the players are either weak shooters (Iggy) or not terribly athletic (Luke Jackson comes to mind). But that doesn't mean JR is ready to play in the NBA.

There are players who are athletic and can shoot, and still don't help their teams much, though.

Would you really want the Suns to spend the 7th overall pick on Devean George, for instance? Ricky Davis? Jason Richardson? Etc., etc.
 

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Joe Mama said:
If the Phoenix Suns believe J. R. Smith is a future superstar, especially if they believe he can contribute some next season, I believe they would take him. I mean I know that these reporters like Chad Ford make everyone out to be a great prospect, but Smith has great attributes. He's the best shooter in the draft.

I'm not sure if that's sarcastic. If not it's a huge exaggeration.

A best shooter in the draft? Why? Because he have hitted some 3P-s at a friendly game?
 
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F-Dog said:
There are players who are athletic and can shoot, and still don't help their teams much, though.

Would you really want the Suns to spend the 7th overall pick on Devean George, for instance? Ricky Davis? Jason Richardson? Etc., etc.

yes, probably yes, and Hell yes. I'm probably not expecting as much from the #7 draft pick in this draft. I think there's definitely a chance the Phoenix Suns get a great player, but I would be more than satisfied with any of the players who listed (Davis without the attitude).

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I'm not sure if that's sarcastic. If not it's a huge exaggeration.

A best shooter in the draft? Why? Because he have hitted some 3P-s at a friendly game?

No, that helps, but I say he is the best shooter in the draft mostly because that is what almost every report on him says.
 

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If we could draft a player of Jason Richardson's ability at #7 that would be a great draft.

Jason Richardson was a top 5 pick and a good one. You don't get a Shawn Marion or Amare Stoudemire out of every lottery. Just because we didn't have a lottery bust in a long time (granted we had only a couple of lottery picks in a long time) doesn't mean there isn't a good chance that the Suns will end up wasting their pick on a bust.

Jason Richardson is a borderline allstar guard in the West.

If JR Smith is as good as everyone says he is the Suns shouldn't pass. Just forget about TMac and Kobe for a second and add a bunch of big guys through free agency instead of drafting a big guy.
 

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slinslin said:
If JR Smith is as good as everyone says he is the Suns shouldn't pass. Just forget about TMac and Kobe for a second and add a bunch of big guys through free agency instead of drafting a big guy.

You mean like Camby, Foyle and Yao Ming? What a combination that would be!

While we're at it, can we sign a "bunch" of superstars too? :D
 

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Joe Mama said:
yes, probably yes, and Hell yes. I'm probably not expecting as much from the #7 draft pick in this draft. I think there's definitely a chance the Phoenix Suns get a great player, but I would be more than satisfied with any of the players who listed (Davis without the attitude).

You really aren't expecting much! #7 should at least deliver a starting-caliber player, and I wouldn't want any of those guys starting for my team, except possibly Ricky Davis w/o attitude. (Without the attitude, though, he's not really Ricky Davis, is he?)


Draft City doesn't like JR Smith much, so I'll list their comps ;) :

Best Case Scenario: James Posey
Worst Case Scenario: Poor man's Deshawn Stevenson

From their article about the 2001 draft, this blurb reminded me of JR a little:

10. Joe Johnson, Boston Celtics
11. Kedrick Brown, Boston Celtics.
Two consecutive picks for the Celtics after a ho-hum 36-46 campaign featuring young scoring studs Antoine Walker and Paul Pierce and not much else. The Celtics needed an infusion of athletic talent and energy, not to mention another scorer or two and anyone who could rebound, as the Celtics finished last in both offensive rebounds and rebound margin in '00-'01. Johnson led Arkansas in scoring and rebounding in both his seasons, and his ball handling ability and smooth style figured to create matchup nightmares for opponents. Brown was a junior college scoring and shot blocking machine, despite being only 6'7". He was a workout wonder, nailing long jumpers and displaying his jaw-dropping athleticism, helping to erase doubts about his lack of competition.

Kedrick Brown has an inch or two on JR, of course, but I guess you could argue that JR has shown more shooting touch...
 

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I really don't get those comparisons. James Posey? That doesn't even makes sense. James Posey is a 6-8 small forward who has just recently learned how to shoot the basketball. He's a very good defender. I mean it's like they just put on a blindfold and drew a name out of a hat for that comparison. If you want to compare Brown to Posey that makes more sense.

A righthanded, more athletic version of Michael Redd would be a better choice for JR Smith's upside. It sounds like I am sure he will be a superstar. I'm not. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if the Phoenix Suns took him regardless of their need for size.

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You wouldn't want Jason Richardson starting on your team? :eek:
He is the best rebounding guard in the league.

18.7ppg 6.7rpg 2.9apg 44%FG

For some reason his 3pt attempts were down from 334 to 273 as well as his 3pt % from 36.8% last year to 28.2% this year.

But still you wouldn't want a 19/7/3 23years old and still under his rookie contract on your team? Including 2 slam dunk titles that should have been 3?
 

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slinslin said:
But still you wouldn't want a 19/7/3 23years old and still under his rookie contract on your team? Including 2 slam dunk titles that should have been 3?


Richardson is also a 6'4" SG and a terrible defender. Remember last year, when Golden State was giving up 100+ points per game? Well, that wasn't entirely Antawn Jamison's fault. ;)

I would take Joe Johnson over Richardson every day of the week.
 

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Richardson is also a 6'4" SG and a terrible defender. Remember last year, when Golden State was giving up 100+ points per game? Well, that wasn't entirely Antawn Jamison's fault. ;)

I would take Joe Johnson over Richardson every day of the week.

Late in the season GS started playing Mickael Pietrus over Jason Richardson. Pietrus was not much on offense shooting 41.6%, but his defense was so much better than Richardson that he was getting the minutes - and the team was doing better.

One of the problems with putting together teams that can get beyond the first round is that there can be no bad defenders. Give an opponent time to analyze an opponent and they will exploit the weak link every time. Even an offensive juggernaught like the Mavs can't hid Dirk and can only win if they can score 130 points.
 

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That is not true.

J-Rich started all games he played. Pietrus started with Jason Richardson.

And Richardson averaged 21.3ppg 8.5rpg 4.1apg 44.2%FG in the last month of the season.

And Jason Richardson is 6'6 and not 6'4 like you claim. Maybe you are thinking of Quentin Richardson.
 

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That is not true.

J-Rich started all games he played. Pietrus started with Jason Richardson.

And Richardson averaged 21.3ppg 8.5rpg 4.1apg 44.2%FG in the last month of the season.

And Jason Richardson is 6'6 and not 6'4 like you claim. Maybe you are thinking of Quentin Richardson.

He is still a weak defender. :shrug:
 

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slinslin said:
That is not true.

J-Rich started all games he played. Pietrus started with Jason Richardson.

And Richardson averaged 21.3ppg 8.5rpg 4.1apg 44.2%FG in the last month of the season.

And Jason Richardson is 6'6 and not 6'4 like you claim. Maybe you are thinking of Quentin Richardson.

Jason Richardson is 6'5", but he plays bigger than that because he has arms that drag on the ground and incredible athleticism. F-Dog is right about his defense though. He's a Vince Carter like defender. Still, if we could get a player of his caliber with the #7 draft pick I would take it in a heartbeat.

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Joe Mama said:
No, that helps, but I say he is the best shooter in the draft mostly because that is what almost every report on him says.

Actually I have read just one report (Ford's above) which says he is probably the best shooter of the draft. I'm still wondering what that scout (or Ford) based this on. On ONE workout?

I just don't see how can be Smith a better shooter than Jackson, Gordon,Harris or even Childress.
 

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Jason Richardson is 6'5", but he plays bigger than that because he has arms that drag on the ground and incredible athleticism. F-Dog is right about his defense though. He's a Vince Carter like defender. Still, if we could get a player of his caliber with the #7 draft pick I would take it in a heartbeat.

Joe Mama

My eyes must have deceived me, because I was sure Richardson was only 6'4"--an NBA 6'4" at that. Maybe he always crouches over or something, but that would make the lack of defense even more puzzling.

Watching him last year, the comp for J-Rich that struck me was a poor man's Steve Francis.
 

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hcsilla said:
Actually I have read just one report (Ford's above) which says he is probably the best shooter of the draft. I'm still wondering what that scout (or Ford) based this on. On ONE workout?

I just don't see how can be Smith a better shooter than Jackson, Gordon,Harris or even Childress.

Childress is not a great shooter. He has a reliable shot, but he isn't what I would consider "a shooter". I'm not sure what you would take to convince you that JR Smith has a better shot than those other guys you listed. Maybe he practiced more than the other guys? I don't know. I just know what I've seen in a few games and what I've read on the Internet.

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