Mayock's Top 5 at each Position

[GatorAZ]

http://rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39725/60/draft-2012-mayocks-top-fives?pg=1

Quarterbacks
1. Andrew Luck*, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III*, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4-5. Open to competition.

Running Backs
1. Trent Richardson*, Alabama
2. David Wilson*, Virginia Tech
3. Lamar Miller*, Miami
4. Doug Martin, Boise State
5. LaMichael James*, Oregon

Wide Receivers
1. Justin Blackmon*, Oklahoma State
2. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
3. Kendall Wright, Baylor
4. Alshon Jeffery*, South Carolina
5. Chris Givens*, Wake Forest

Tight Ends
1. Dwayne Allen*, Clemson
2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
3. Orson Charles*, Georgia
4. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette
5. Michael Egnew, Missouri

Offensive Tackles
1. Riley Reiff*, Iowa
2. Matt Kalil*, USC
3. Jonathan Martin*, Stanford
4. James Brown, Troy
5. Zebrie Sanders, Florida State

Interior Offensive Linemen
1. David DeCastro*, Stanford
2. Peter Konz*, Wisconsin
3. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
4. Cordy Glenn, Georgia
5. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State

Defensive Tackles
1. Devon Still, Penn State
2. Jerel Worthy*, Michigan State
3. Michael Brockers*, LSU
4. Brandon Thompson, Clemson
5. (tie) Fletcher Cox*, Mississippi State
Dontari Poe*, Memphis

Linebackers
1. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
2. Luke Kuechly*, Boston College
3. Dont'a Hightower*, Alabama
4. Zach Brown, North Carolina
5. Vontaze Burfict*, Arizona State

Defensive Ends

1. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
2. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
3. Whitney Mercilus*, Illinois
4. Nick Perry*, USC
5. (tie) Chandler Jones*, Syracuse
Andre Branch, Clemson

Cornerbacks
1. Morris Claiborne*, LSU
2. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
3. Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
4. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
5. Dre Kirkpatrick*, Alabama

Safeties
1. Mark Barron, Alabama
2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
3. George Iloka, Boise State
4. Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
5. (tie) Janzen Jackson*, McNeese State
Antonio Allen, South Carolina

Reiff over Kalil stands out, Kalil is very good but being comparisons to Long and Thomas are ridiculous. Also Kirkpatrick at #5 was surprising... Thoughts?

 

[52brandon]

Reiff over Kalil stands out, Kalil is very good but being comparisons to Long and Thomas are ridiculous. Also Kirkpatrick at #5 was surprising... Thoughts?

I am also very surprised to see Reiff ranked above Kalil. Kirkpatrick falling is likely due to his recent arrest and not actually reflective of his play. I think both will go higher than ranked on that list

 

[Bodha]

this is one of the most shallow drafts I can remember. Thats why its critical we get our 2nd rounder back. 3rd round plus is going to be very scarce this year.

The top 3 guys in every category are the best, but compared to most drafts, are still pretty underwhelming.

 

[Garthshort]

IMO, the 'thin' draft is why the Cardinals must be very aggressive in Free Agency. Also, we can't continue to overlook the OL when we select our first round pick, no matter how enticing a LB or WR would be. I know it's tough to get an OLB in FA but a good WR should be available.

 

[AzStevenCal]

IMO, the 'thin' draft is why the Cardinals must be very aggressive in Free Agency. Also, we can't continue to overlook the OL when we select our first round pick, no matter how enticing a LB or WR would be. I know it's tough to get an OLB in FA but a good WR should be available.

BPA, BPA, BPA.

Steve

 

[Southpaw]

BPA, BPA, BPA.

Steve

Yes. Yes. Yes. Especially in a thin draft. I believe there will be some real stinkers ( down the road ) that come out of this draft. It will be easy to get a bust when taking need over BPA.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes. Yes. Yes. Especially in a thin draft. I believe there will be some real stinkers ( down the road ) that come out of this draft. It will be easy to get a bust when taking need over BPA.

Yeah, I don't think there's ever a good time to reach but this is a particularly bad year to do it in.

Steve

 

[JeffGollin]

This looks like a good time for (a) using Mayock's rankings for context and then (b) adding and subtracting to it as we watch the Senior Bowl workouts, highlights and the game itself.

So far - based on semi-comatose scrutiny on TV (I'm trying to shake a head cold and doze thru some of the footage) new guys who've caught my eye so far are the CB (Bentley), the OL from Troy (James Brown) and a 335 lb unstoppable NT whose name escapes me (It may have been Tuani -which would be unfortunate since he played for Navy which would affect his draft status). There also was one speedy wideout with velcro hands who looked very nifty in & out of his cuts.

I love the one-on-ones (because there's no place to hide).

It's still early though, and there are something like 64 underclassman who won't participate in the Senior Bowl. (They usually dominate your first round).

 

[Chopper0080]

This draft isn't a weak draft, it is just a sporadic draft.

QB: Great top 2, good depth for rounds 3-5.
RB: A really good top RB, solid value in rounds 2-4. Falls off after.
WR: Really deep class.
TE: Pretty weak.
OT: Weak at the top, best value rounds 2-4.
OG: Really deep class.
C: Really deep class

DE: Solid guy in Couples, undersized DE's after that.
DT: Solid not spectacular class. Value probably more in the 3rd-6th rounds.
3-4 Conversion LBs: Great class with value from end of round 1 - 3rd and then more depth late.
ILB: Solid class
OLB: Weak class.
CB: Really deep class
S: Weak class.

 

[az jam]

Mayocks Jan 24 listing on OT's has :

Tackle
1. Riley Reiff, Iowa
2. Matt Kalil, USC
3. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
4. Mike Adams, Ohio State
T-5. James Brown, Troy
T-5. Zebrie Sanders, Florida State

Adams has had a strong showing in Senior Bowl practices. Got this off of NFL.com where Mayock works.

 

[Capital Card]

This draft isn't a weak draft, it is just a sporadic draft.

DE: Solid guy in Couples, undersized DE's after that.

I'll be pissed if we take Coples. It screams that we won't pay for CC long term. I think he's going to be a great player, but it doesn't advance us as a team.

Go Cards!!!

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Interesting that Mayock has Courtney Upshaw as his #1 overall linebacker. I agree with him 100%. What makes Mayock the best in my opinion is that he looks at the football player first and then the measurables and that would go in line with his thinking regarding Courtney Upshaw.

Upshaw won't wow anyone with his vertical or 40 time at the Combine, but he is a beast on the football field.

 

[GatorAZ]

Interesting that Mayock has Courtney Upshaw as his #1 overall linebacker. I agree with him 100%. What makes Mayock the best in my opinion is that he looks at the football player first and then the measurables and that would go in line with his thinking regarding Courtney Upshaw.

Upshaw won't wow anyone with his vertical or 40 time at the Combine, but he is a beast on the football field.

Unfortunately he came into Mobile at just under 275. That's not good... Now they did play in the title game so he didn't have much time kill some of those pounds but that's too big for me. Even if he shows up to Indy around 265 you know he had to work for it. He's a natural 270ish player IMO.

 

[football karma]

Unfortunately he came into Mobile at just under 275. That's not good... Now they did play in the title game so he didn't have much time kill some of those pounds but that's too big for me. Even if he shows up to Indy around 265 you know he had to work for it. He's a natural 270ish player IMO.

lets see how he moves at that weight -- and then at the combine

the interesting thing about the Cardinals and John Lott is that it seems they are more inclined to take a few pounds off a player rather than put weight on him

I bet that if the Cards drafted Upshaw -- Lott would be telling him he wants him playing at 265

 

[Chopper0080]

Interesting that Mayock has Courtney Upshaw as his #1 overall linebacker. I agree with him 100%. What makes Mayock the best in my opinion is that he looks at the football player first and then the measurables and that would go in line with his thinking regarding Courtney Upshaw.

Upshaw won't wow anyone with his vertical or 40 time at the Combine, but he is a beast on the football field.

Some scouts are targeting him as a DE because he loses his power and quickness when playing in a two point stance which is being shown at Senior Bowl practices.

I am on the Melvin Ingram bus if we decide to trade back or pass on David DeCastro. The one thing that the playoffs has shown is that a pass rush can destroy even the most solid of offenses. Ingram has multiple pass rush moves (spin, club, speed) and looks fairly natural standing up. He comes in a bit overweight for a traditional 3-4 linebacker, but some guys are just freaks and his ability to play as a DE in nickel packages make shim very versatile.

 

[Bodha]

Ingrams name has been on fire this week.


which is great for us. That pushes one more player our way. Even better for trading back and getting the 2nd rounder.

Whitney is virtually guaranteed to drop to us at this rate. Obv. Id rather get Ingram with all the praise hes been getting, but WM seems like he could be an impact guy too.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ingrams name has been on fire this week.


which is great for us. That pushes one more player our way. Even better for trading back and getting the 2nd rounder.

Whitney is virtually guaranteed to drop to us at this rate. Obv. Id rather get Ingram with all the praise hes been getting, but WM seems like he could be an impact guy too.

At this point I can't see a scenario where we would be able to trade back and pick up a 2nd round pick. Our only hope would be for Cleveland to want to trade up for a QB (Krik Cousins is making a push at the Senior Bowl) and they would still be giving up too much according to the NFL value chart.

Where a trade seems likely for the Cardinals is with Cincinatti for their #17 pick. If Trent Richardson falls to #13 (a real possibility) then Cincy might offer their #17 pick along with their 3rd rounder to move ahead of the Jets for Richardson. It lines up along the value chart as a fair deal, and Cincy is seriously looking at RBs if you believe the reports. At #17 the Cardinals would miss out on DeCastro, but would in a better position to select either Mike Adams (Ohio St.) at OT or a pass rusher like Melvin Ingram (SC). (or Upshaw, Nick Perry, Mercilus) This is the scenario that I am most hopeful for to be honest as we could use another top 100 pick.

 

[Bodha]

At this point I can't see a scenario where we would be able to trade back and pick up a 2nd round pick. Our only hope would be for Cleveland to want to trade up for a QB (Krik Cousins is making a push at the Senior Bowl) and they would still be giving up too much according to the NFL value chart.

Where a trade seems likely for the Cardinals is with Cincinatti for their #17 pick. If Trent Richardson falls to #13 (a real possibility) then Cincy might offer their #17 pick along with their 3rd rounder to move ahead of the Jets for Richardson. It lines up along the value chart as a fair deal, and Cincy is seriously looking at RBs if you believe the reports. At #17 the Cardinals would miss out on DeCastro, but would in a better position to select either Mike Adams (Ohio St.) at OT or a pass rusher like Melvin Ingram (SC). (or Upshaw, Nick Perry, Mercilus) This is the scenario that I am most hopeful for to be honest as we could use another top 100 pick.

Mike Adams in the 1st would be a travesty. Id take him the 2nd, maybe.

Theres tons of options for us to trade back. The Chargers supposedly want DeCastro.

2nd Rounder + Ingram or Whitney >>>> drafting DeCastro at 13

 

[Chopper0080]

Mike Adams in the 1st would be a travesty. Id take him the 2nd, maybe.

Theres tons of options for us to trade back. The Chargers supposedly want DeCastro.

2nd Rounder + Ingram or Whitney >>>> drafting DeCastro at 13

True, but the NFL value chart does not support that trade. A swap between the Cardinals would be a 250 point swap whereas a mid second rounder is worth 400 points. The Cardinals would likley need to give up their thrid rounder 150 (approx) and then the Chargers would need to give up an additional 4th to get close in regards to the value chart (which is only a guide).

Again, I like the idea, but getting a second rounder would require us to trade with a team 21 or later, and the only options there are Cincy, Det, Denver, Pitt, Houston, NE, Green Bay, NYG, San Fran, and Balt. Really we would need to target above teams like NE, GB and Balt becase they have the same needs ala rush LBs.

Our best bets to acquire a 2nd would be to trade back to 21 with Cincy (Trent Richardson), 22 with Cleve (if they wanted to move up for a QB, but because their 2nd rounder is high we would have to give up another pick) or Denver if they decide they really need a player.

 

[Garthshort]

AzStevenCarl, I totally agree about BPA. However, everything I've read that at #13, the OT from Iowa or Stanford or the OG from Stanford IS the BPA. And we all know that the Draft is not an exact science. My point is we have to go OL (assuming we don't come up with an OL starter in FA), but we can't reach. If one of the above are available, imo, we should grab him.