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After watching the Suns flounder this year and with Joe Johnson playing well at the 2 I'm convinced that they would be better off trading Marion, Jacobsen, and the Knicks picks in order to obtain McGrady, I think he would be a perfect fit with this team and now you team him up with Joe Johnson, Amare and our lottery pick this would be a team to reckon with for many many years. Orlando has to do something and this way they get draft picks and talent back in Marion...
 

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Originally posted by B-Dogg
After watching the Suns flounder this year and with Joe Johnson playing well at the 2 I'm convinced that they would be better off trading Marion, Jacobsen, and the Knicks picks in order to obtain McGrady, I think he would be a perfect fit with this team and now you team him up with Joe Johnson, Amare and our lottery pick this would be a team to reckon with for many many years. Orlando has to do something and this way they get draft picks and talent back in Marion...


Dude wake up your still dreaming. :D



I can't imagine Orlando would agree to that.

I don't think we can trade Marion for a player like McGrady or Pierce. Ain't gonna happen.
 

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I would do it in heart beat. I don't feel his back problems are as bad as they say. Anyone that can put up 40+ with a bad back can play anytime.
 
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Re: Re: McGrady

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Dude wake up your still dreaming. :D



I can't imagine Orlando would agree to that.

I don't think we can trade Marion for a player like McGrady or Pierce. Ain't gonna happen.

Your right we cant trade Marion for McGrady or Pierce thats why we are including two first round picks and Jacobsen who some people like alot...
 

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Re: Re: Re: McGrady

Originally posted by B-Dogg
Your right we cant trade Marion for McGrady or Pierce thats why we are including two first round picks and Jacobsen who some people like alot...

Do you think Orlando would take two mid-round picks, Jacobsen, and Marion (and his contract) for McGrady? I guess if they thought they would loose him to FA in 2005 they might but that is a big if.

I'm sure the Suns would consider that trade but I am not so sure Orlando would agree to that.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: McGrady

Originally posted by SirChaz
Do you think Orlando would take two mid-round picks, Jacobsen, and Marion (and his contract) for McGrady? I guess if they thought they would loose him to FA in 2005 they might but that is a big if.

I'm sure the Suns would consider that trade but I am not so sure Orlando would agree to that.

And THEN sign Kobe after that! :D

Joe Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady
Amare Stoudemire
Any stiff

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Orlando, may not do that, but they have the worst record in the league with McGrady and need to do something to change things up down there. Hell ship em Googs or Dice with Marion and the picks take back Mcgrady and a couple of contracts they want to get rid of so they can free up some money for free agency. I think the C's would be willing to go over the cap for a super star lick McGrady we havent had a bankable player like that in the valley since Sir Charles...
 

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McGrady has a player opt out option (say that fast) in summer of 2005 when he is scheduled to get $15.7 million. Orlando is certainly worried that he will leave and they still cannot get him much help as long as Briant Grant refuses to retire.

The kind of deal I can imagine Orlando doing would be McGrady for Iverson. They would ensure that they would not be left high and dry a year from now and still have a marquis player; while Philly would get rid of a disgruntled super star.
 

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There is absolutely no way the Orlando Magic would make that deal. If the Orlando Magic trade Tracy McGrady before next year they will get a superstar in return. Remember that there is more to McGrady than just his on the core presence. He is one of the biggest superstars in the NBA.

Now if the Suns were willing to include Amare Stoudemire in a deal that might be a different story.

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Question..

Would you rather have Emeka Okafor, Joe Johnson, and Tracy McGrady or Marion, Stoudamire and Johnson?
 

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Would you rather have Emeka Okafor, Joe Johnson, and Tracy McGrady or Marion, Stoudamire and Johnson?

Damon Stoudamire?

I'd rather have the Suns' present group. McGrady's back scares me, and I'm never a fan of giving much up for a "prospect," no matter how appealing Okafor might look right now. If the Suns had the first group of your players in question, they might wind up with an injury case and a bust instead of a good complimentary player and a budding star.
 

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Originally posted by carey
Question..

Would you rather have Emeka Okafor, Joe Johnson, and Tracy McGrady or Marion, Stoudamire and Johnson?

Since Johnson is in both, you are asking is McGrady & Okafor better than Marion and Stoudemire? Probably. Stoudemire is likely to be a good deal better than Okafor but McGrady is a lot better than Marion.

Why do you ask? There is not way this deal happens.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
There is absolutely no way the Orlando Magic would make that deal. If the Orlando Magic trade Tracy McGrady before next year they will get a superstar in return. Remember that there is more to McGrady than just his on the core presence. He is one of the biggest superstars in the NBA.

Now if the Suns were willing to include Amare Stoudemire in a deal that might be a different story.

Joe Mama

don't be so certain. it is rare to see a superstar for superstar trade. it's usually a superstar for a very good player, a prospect and picks. look at our deal for charles. like mcgrady (assuming it's true), charles wanted off the sixers. we traded a very good player in horny (who equates to a very good player in marion), and two prospects (andrew lang and tim perry) which could equate to casey and a draft pick (maybe even our high one this year). i would only do it though if mcgrady agreed, pre-trade, to an extension.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
Would you rather have Emeka Okafor, Joe Johnson, and Tracy McGrady or Marion, Stoudamire and Johnson?

Damon Stoudamire?

I'd rather have the Suns' present group. McGrady's back scares me, and I'm never a fan of giving much up for a "prospect," no matter how appealing Okafor might look right now. If the Suns had the first group of your players in question, they might wind up with an injury case and a bust instead of a good complimentary player and a budding star.

I don't understand why his back bothers you (and Joe) so much. How many games has he missed because of it? Some, but probably not many (apologies that I didn't look it up). And with that "bad back" he still is a threat to score 40+ everytime he's on the floor.

Eric, you know you and I are on the same page when it comes to offseason moves this season, and I know a McGrady trade is about as likely as me winning the lottery, but I'm just wondering why his back is such a problem to you? I mean, we pretty much agree that if Kobe showed any interest in the Suns we'd need to go for him, but he also has a "bad" shoulder as well. No big deal, just looking for some clarification.
 

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I worry about the Phoenix Suns signing anybody with chronic injury problems to and of contract that Tracy McGrady or even Kobe Bryant will command. If I had my choice between the two of them right now I would probably take McGrady.

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Originally posted by Chaplin
but he also has a "bad" shoulder as well. No big deal, just looking for some clarification.

having two bad shoulders (a slip shoulder and a degenerative shoulder) and a bad back (a broken vertebrae from back in the day) i can assure you that a bad back is MUCH worse than the bad shoulder (or even TWO!).

that said, i am not one bit worried about the bad back. if we can rel mcgrady in while keeping 2 of our 3 bigs (w/ amare being an untouchable of our 3), i say do it.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
I worry about the Phoenix Suns signing anybody with chronic injury problems to and of contract that Tracy McGrady or even Kobe Bryant will command. If I had my choice between the two of them right now I would probably take McGrady.

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Who else in the league besides maybe Garnett and Duncan would you take over McGrady?
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
Who else in the league besides maybe Garnett and Duncan would you take over McGrady?

i know this probably wasn't addressed to me, but what the hell, i'll take a stab. i'd still take kobe (pending "innocence"). i'd also consider jermaine o'neal. he's a young interior stud. he'd be excellent alongside amare. and i've even consider lebron (i can't beleive i'm saying that - man i thought he was gonna be so overhyped).
 

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Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
i know this probably wasn't addressed to me, but what the hell, i'll take a stab. i'd still take kobe (pending "innocence"). i'd also consider jermaine o'neal. he's a young interior stud. he'd be excellent alongside amare. and i've even consider lebron (i can't beleive i'm saying that - man i thought he was gonna be so overhyped).

I know most people won't agree with me, but I would also include Yao.
 

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Eric, you know you and I are on the same page when it comes to offseason moves this season, and I know a McGrady trade is about as likely as me winning the lottery, but I'm just wondering why his back is such a problem to you?

My impression -- and this isn't based on any medical knowledge or statistics -- is that back trouble tends to be chronic. People who "have bad backs" are often suffering from this or the other back pain, and it's hard or impossible to strengthen the area enough to avoid the injury from coming back. Obviously McGrady can play just fine now, but what about as his back continues to deteriorate? To me, he seems to be at fairly high risk to have an abbreviated career.

It's a similar case to Vince Carter, who isn't nearly as explosive now that he has "recovered" from his recurring knee problems. I'm also reminded of Larry Bird, whose effectiveness was quite a bit reduced toward the end of his career as his back problems became overwhelming.

Regarding Bryant's shoulder, it does seem troubling that he has hurt it multiple times. On the other hand, in general, you just don't hear too much about a basketball player's career being cut short by chronic shoulder problems. That could just be chance, or it could be because that playing in the NBA isn't really all that stressful on the shoulder compared to what it does to the back. (Compare baseball pitchers, in whom shoulder trouble is common but back trouble fairly rare.)

So those are the reasons for my bias. They may not be rational, but that's what they are.
 

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To get McGrady you'd have to take Grant Hill but you wouldn't have to give the world either.

The Magic are in the same boat as the Suns. They are paying 2 max players and are still the worst team in basketball.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
Eric, you know you and I are on the same page when it comes to offseason moves this season, and I know a McGrady trade is about as likely as me winning the lottery, but I'm just wondering why his back is such a problem to you?

My impression -- and this isn't based on any medical knowledge or statistics -- is that back trouble tends to be chronic. People who "have bad backs" are often suffering from this or the other back pain, and it's hard or impossible to strengthen the area enough to avoid the injury from coming back. Obviously McGrady can play just fine now, but what about as his back continues to deteriorate? To me, he seems to be at fairly high risk to have an abbreviated career.

It's a similar case to Vince Carter, who isn't nearly as explosive now that he has "recovered" from his recurring knee problems. I'm also reminded of Larry Bird, whose effectiveness was quite a bit reduced toward the end of his career as his back problems became overwhelming.

Regarding Bryant's shoulder, it does seem troubling that he has hurt it multiple times. On the other hand, in general, you just don't hear too much about a basketball player's career being cut short by chronic shoulder problems. That could just be chance, or it could be because that playing in the NBA isn't really all that stressful on the shoulder compared to what it does to the back. (Compare baseball pitchers, in whom shoulder trouble is common but back trouble fairly rare.)

So those are the reasons for my bias. They may not be rational, but that's what they are.

I agree. We are talking about so much money that a potential career ending injury presents an extraordinary risk of destroying the franchise. This means that player with a chronic injury pushes the risk into the stratosphere.

My impression is that no one really "recovers" from a back injury. They just go through periods when it doesn't bother them very much and other periods when it does. Unfortunately, players with back injuries start avoiding contact and become more and more passive. This is not quite as big a problem for an outside shooter, but it hurts on defense and other parts of the game.
 

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Most of these guys have already been mentioned, but I would probably rather have any of them over Tracy McGrady.

LeBron James
Jake Tsakalidis :)
Yao Ming
Jermaine O'Neal
a little guy out of LA named Shaquille O'Neal

That's about it. And like I said, I waver back and forth between preferring Tracy McGrady or Kobe Bryant on an almost hourly basis.

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
That's about it. And like I said, I waver back and forth between preferring Tracy McGrady or Kobe Bryant on an almost hourly basis.

Joe Mama

Part of the problem is deciding the context. Are we asking:

1. Who would be best on the Suns are they are now?

2. Who would make the biggest impact in couple of years when the Suns become a contender?

3. Who would be the best value over the six years of a max contract?
 
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