Mike Brown still refuses to trade QB Palmer

[az jam]

From RedZone.org
One thing you can say about Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown-he isn't a wishy-washy kind of guy. Albert Breer of the NFL Network reports that Brown still adamantly refuses to consider trading quarterback Carson Palmer. This despite the fact that Palmer has repeatedly demanded a trade from the only franchise he has ever played for and the Bengals drafted TCU's Andy Dalton with the 35th pick in the 2011 draft.

"We don't plan to trade Carson," Brown said Monday at the NFL Spring Meeting. "He's important to us. He's a very fine player, and we do want him to come back. If he chooses not to, he'd retire. And we would go with Andy Dalton, the younger player we drafted, who's a good prospect. "Ideally, we'd have both of them. That'd be the best way to go forward. If we don't have Carson, we'll go with Andy."

Palmer, the No. 1 pick in the 2003 draft, has been the Bengals' starter since 2004. Palmer's younger brother, Jordan, also is on the roster and is leading player workouts during the NFL lockout, but Brown said he'd be comfortable with Dalton as the starter in 2011, based on the evaluation the Bengals' staff has on the former TCU standout.

It appears that Brown and Palmer are both entrenched in their positions and it would surprise no one at this point to see Carson Palmer watch football this season from the comfort of his couch. Bet on rookie Andy Dalton to be the start Week 1.

 

[PoolBoy]

one thing i dont understand. Favre retired and then played for the Jets, and then again and played for the Vikings.

whats stopping Carson from retiring then going to play for the Cardinals?

 

[earthsci]

one thing i dont understand. Favre retired and then played for the Jets, and then again and played for the Vikings.

The Packers traded Favre to the Jets in exchange for a conditional fourth-round pick in the 2009 draft with performance escalation.

The Jets released Favre from his contract.

 

[Buckybird]

one thing i dont understand. Favre retired and then played for the Jets, and then again and played for the Vikings.

whats stopping Carson from retiring then going to play for the Cardinals?

Palmer is under contract & property of the Bungles even if he retires. The only way Carson plays elsewhere is by trade or he's released.

 

[PoolBoy]

Palmer is under contract & property of the Bungles even if he retires. The only way Carson plays elsewhere is by trade or he's released.

so if he is under contract for 1 more year, can he retire for a year and then be a FA after next year?

 

[Solar7]

Favre's rights were still with the Packers when he retired. In fact, the fiasco centered around their unwillingness to let him go to the Vikings, a division rival. He eventually accepted a trade to the Jets, who released him a few months after his second retirement. Since he had been released, he was free to go where he wanted.

In a similar situation, I believe the Buccaneers still hold Jake Plummer's rights.

 

[earthsci]

so if he is under contract for 1 more year, can he retire for a year and then be a FA after next year?

No. Each year on the contract has to performed. If Palmer never plays, the Bengals will always own his rights.

 

[az jam]

The bottom line is that Palmer is not a candidate to be traded to the Cardinals for this season. It is not going to happen.

 

[moklerman]

For some reason, I assumed that if he retired for a year that Palmer would then be able to go sign wherever he wanted.

If that isn't an option, he's going to have to report and then develop a back or hamstring injury that just doesn't go away. I mean, if taking a year off won't solve his problem of getting out of there, he's going to have to play the game that Brown wants to play.

But that doesn't mean he's actually got to play. He just has to show up every week and be an albatross in the room.

I understand teams needing to not cave in to players but it also seems that GM's like Brown and A.J. Smith have been willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

 

[cardpa]

If Palmer retires he will end up on one of the NFL shows, maybe even join Boomer on a show.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Palmer could always show up on week 10 and play out the string. I think if a player is there for 6 games, it counts as a year of service. That's why players holding out always show up in week 9 or 10. By that time Dalton is entrenched as the starter, Palmer sits, and then becomes a FA. Mike Brown is stupid to get nothing for him.

 

[desertdawg]

Palmer could always show up on week 10 and play out the string. I think if a player is there for 6 games, it counts as a year of service. That's why players holding out always show up in week 9 or 10. By that time Dalton is entrenched as the starter, Palmer sits, and then becomes a FA. Mike Brown is stupid to get nothing for him.

For real.

 

[blindseyed]

I understand teams needing to not cave in to players but it also seems that GM's like Brown and A.J. Smith have been willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

This!
I understand making a stand but if I remember right, Palmer has wanted out of Cincy for a while now right? Why keep a person that disgruntled?

 

[earthsci]

Mike Brown is stupid to get nothing for him.

Is it so stupid? Palmer won't get paid for that period of time and the next time a Bengal wants to get out of town he will know that he won't be able to do it by just demanding it. Seriously, this is the Bengals. Most players want to leave there before their contracts are up.

Letting Palmer go would be a crack in the dike.

 

[Russ Smith]

Is it so stupid? Palmer won't get paid for that period of time and the next time a Bengal wants to get out of town he will know that he won't be able to do it by just demanding it. Seriously, this is the Bengals. Most players want to leave there before their contracts are up.

Letting Palmer go would be a crack in the dike.

True but Palmer is not most players. He's played his whole career there and kept his mouth shut. He played after the ACL, he played through the shoulder injury. Year after year he watched them sign guys with criminal records and then act surprised when they got in trouble and again he tried to be the good guy and rise above it all.

Finally this past year was the last straw dealing with TO and Chad and all their nonsense he finally couldn't take it any more and asked the franchise to trade him.

Brown is just being a curmudgeon IMHO, he's going to force a player to retire because the guy got tired of waiting for him to run the team like an NFL franchise?

 

[blindseyed]

Is it so stupid? Palmer won't get paid for that period of time and the next time a Bengal wants to get out of town he will know that he won't be able to do it by just demanding it. Seriously, this is the Bengals. Most players want to leave there before their contracts are up.

Letting Palmer go would be a crack in the dike.

There's a great joke in there somewhere

 

[earthsci]

True but Palmer is not most players. He's played his whole career there and kept his mouth shut. He played after the ACL, he played through the shoulder injury. Year after year he watched them sign guys with criminal records and then act surprised when they got in trouble and again he tried to be the good guy and rise above it all.

Finally this past year was the last straw dealing with TO and Chad and all their nonsense he finally couldn't take it any more and asked the franchise to trade him.

Brown is just being a curmudgeon IMHO, he's going to force a player to retire because the guy got tired of waiting for him to run the team like an NFL franchise?

Yep. And guess what the next guy who wants to leave Cincy early is going to do?......Play.

 

[chickenhead]

I think what Brown is doing is killing the perception that he will cut his losses. I'm sure he is adamant that Palmer will not be traded--until he sees a trade that is worth it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yep. And guess what the next guy who wants to leave Cincy early is going to do?......Play.

Thats what they all do. But the point is if he trades Palmer he'll get something for him, if he doesn't, he'll either retire or he'll play but be unhappy.

So worst case scenario he retires, best case he plays and probably doesn't play as well as he might because he's unhappy.

I guess I'm saying not all players who want out are the same, Palmer IMHO has earned the right to ask out, he's put in his time he isn't just trying to run a power trip he has a perfectly acceptable reason to want to move on.

 

[joeshmo]

Palmer could always show up on week 10 and play out the string. I think if a player is there for 6 games, it counts as a year of service. That's why players holding out always show up in week 9 or 10. By that time Dalton is entrenched as the starter, Palmer sits, and then becomes a FA. Mike Brown is stupid to get nothing for him.

Not an option. Palmer signed through 2014, he is not going to play that game of only showing up week 10 for another 4 years. He either retires or Mike Brown Trades him. Those are the only two scenerios available. And the likely of the two is Palmer Retires with a butt load of money in the bank and continues to bank money on his smart business ventures he has going. He is not your typical football player who wasted away their money or doesnt have smart business decisions that will pay off long after he retires.

 

[desertdawg]

Not an option. Palmer signed through 2014, he is not going to play that game of only showing up week 10 for another 4 years. He either retires or Mike Brown Trades him. Those are the only two scenerios available. And the likely of the two is Palmer Retires with a butt load of money in the bank and continues to bank money on his smart business ventures he has going. He is not your typical football player who wasted away their money or doesnt have smart business decisions that will pay off long after he retires.

Yup I think Brown isn't playing. I think Brown (once the lockout is over) will try and make Palmer a deal he believes Palmer can't refuse.

1 Brown probably just wants Palmer around for just one more year, and then he could theoretically let Palmer call the shot on where is traded to after Cinci's new rookie has had some time with the team. Plus TO and Oncho won't be in the huddle this year, that could be nice. Agreeing to one more year might be Palmer's best option.

2 If Palmer doesn't want to play ball he can kick rocks, sounds like Brown is also OK going with Dalton, and the crappy record/nice draft picks that would come with starting a rook straight out of the box.

I would trade Palmer for a nice draftpick and a vet QB to either start or go behind Dalton, but that seems more and more doubtful, it sounds like a mexican standoff to me.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I love Mike Brown, he makes the Bidwills look more like Mussolini, and less like Hitler.

Any time someone tells me that we have the worst ownership in the NFL, I point to Mike Brown.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

Right now with the lockout it is really just a bunch of bravado for both sides. Once cooler heads get this done, then we can see what owners "really" want. All the talk of trades and such it just hogwash. Nothing can be done so who cares, let the dust settle and start making deals then. Call it a hunch Palmer will eventually be dealt. Also can people stop questioning Palmer's arm, he had decent passes past 20 and 40 yards and not all of it was RAC yards by the dynamic dimwits.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Not an option. Palmer signed through 2014, he is not going to play that game of only showing up week 10 for another 4 years.

I was under the impression he only had 1 year left. You're right,Palmer is not going to do that for another 4 years.

 

[joeshmo]

I was under the impression he only had 1 year left. You're right,Palmer is not going to do that for another 4 years.

It would be pretty awesome though if he did, Mike Browns Head would explode.