Mike Budenholzer - Officially Suns new Head Coach

[Ronin]

SUNS ANNOUNCE HEAD COACH MIKE BUDENHOLZER’S COACHING STAFF

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[Ronin]

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[BirdGangThing]

mmmmmmm k

we've had some sample size now and i think one of bud's biggest issues is at center - ive mentioned him being spoiled by having the greek god that is giannis but come on man - how many centers is this man going to bench when all we need is rebounds

we lost to offensive rebounds and deandre ayton last night - instead of trying to combat the problem bud chose to express his frustration with all 4 centers simultaneously

look - nurk was killing me too - he was killing the team - nurk was murking everybody - but to be put in forever pergatory with zero dialogue?

funny how bud sends oso to the g-league so he could work on rebounds - then oso gets 18 rebounds and the g-league team is like "gee - sure looks fine to me"

plum is the most experienced of all - that's probably the only thing keeping him on the floor - understanding what bud wants and how to incorporate that with the randomness that is basketball


enter richards - who goes from savior to typical suns behavior in 3 games flat - starting to make me think - i know none of these guys are top shelf but to banish them all? in situational basketball? meaning not utilizing match ups?

at the center of this problem lies the center - or should i say centers - plural - because there's 4 of them - maybe bud does expect too much - or is too quick to cut bait? i don't freakin know but im tired of this ish-bia

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Bud has proven no better than Vogel. (although at this point I don't think there is a coach that can fix this dud roster)

 

[95pro]

I've complained about Bud's "feel" for the lineups/rotations lately. A lot of head scratching for me, others as well.

I'm seriously wondering if he's trying to get fired, or is there some directive to gain some analytical data. I wonder about analytics because last year, imo, we saw the same thing happen with Vogel before the trade deadline. This year is seems the mix/mash of lineups is happening after the trade deadline.

 

[Covert Rain]

I've complained about Bud's "feel" for the lineups/rotations lately. A lot of head scratching for me, others as well.

I'm seriously wondering if he's trying to get fired, or is there some directive to gain some analytical data. I wonder about analytics because last year, imo, we saw the same thing happen with Vogel before the trade deadline. This year is seems the mix/mash of lineups is happening after the trade deadline.

This was his dream job so I don't think he is trying to get fired. However, some of his decisions are definitely head scratching. My guess is a bunch of changes in offseason after unloading Durant and he is trying to evaluate who keeps a roster spot after this year.

 

[Mainstreet]

I've complained about Bud's "feel" for the lineups/rotations lately. A lot of head scratching for me, others as well.

I'm seriously wondering if he's trying to get fired, or is there some directive to gain some analytical data. I wonder about analytics because last year, imo, we saw the same thing happen with Vogel before the trade deadline. This year is seems the mix/mash of lineups is happening after the trade deadline.

My guess is Bud has pulled out all the stops and will play anyone that gives the Suns a chance at winning. I think this is why we are seeing Bol Bol and Ty Ty Washington get minutes, among others.

This doesn't mean the Suns aren't looking towards the future at the same time.

 

[Superbone]

My guess is Bud has pulled out all the stops and will play anyone that gives the Suns a chance at winning. I think this is why we are seeing Bol Bol and Ty Ty Washington get minutes, among others.

This doesn't mean the Suns aren't looking towards the future at the same time.

What I don't get is why Dunn isn't getting more time.

 

[Covert Rain]

My guess is Bud has pulled out all the stops and will play anyone that gives the Suns a chance at winning. I think this is why we are seeing Bol Bol and Ty Ty Washington get minutes, among others.

This doesn't mean the Suns aren't looking towards the future at the same time.

I really don't think that is the goal any longer. The guys on the radio indicated that the Ishbia and the front office knows this isn't a winning team. That would indicate to me this isn't about winning. When they couldn't pull the deal off for Butler sounded like everything changed.

 

[Mainstreet]

I really don't think that is the goal any longer. The guys on the radio indicated that the Ishbia and the front office knows this isn't a winning team. That would indicate to me this isn't about winning. When they couldn't pull the deal off for Butler sounded like everything changed.

Winning should always be the goal, especially when the Suns don't own the rights to their draft picks.

There have been some big men available that the Suns should have gone after. Maybe they would have helped, maybe not, but standing pat is not an option. IMO, it's an admittance of failure.

 

[ajcardfan]

IMO, it's an admittance of failure.

That is exactly where this team is. The Durant and Beal trades failed. Ishbia failed. No point in BSing around about it.

 

[Covert Rain]

Winning should always be the goal, especially when the Suns don't own the rights to their draft picks.

There have been some big men available that the Suns should have gone after. Maybe they would have helped, maybe not, but standing pat is not an option. IMO, it's an admittance of failure.

It should but it's not always the case. I can name many times teams traded away most of their team or for assets and spent part of the season evaluating their roster. The Suns are in a weird predicament where they couldn't. They did stand pat by making no moves at the deadline. I would rather know the office recognizes that that pretend otherwise.

 

[Mainstreet]

That is exactly where this team is. The Durant and Beal trades failed. Ishbia failed. No point in BSing around about it.

It should but it's not always the case. I can name many times teams traded away most of their team or for assets and spent part of the season evaluating their roster. The Suns are in a weird predicament where they couldn't. They did stand pat by making no moves at the deadline. I would rather know the office recognizes that that pretend otherwise.

I'm not a fan of quitting, especially when there is nothing to be gained.

However, I believe in putting players on the court who want to win. I'm glad the Suns are finally exploring their bench. IMO, playing players that are hungry is the right decision. It's refreshing to see team basketball for a change.

Why did it take Bud so long to realize Bol Bol, Washington and Gillespie could contribute?

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm not a fan of quitting, especially when there is nothing to be gained.

However, I believe in putting players on the court who want to win. I'm glad the Suns are finally exploring their bench. IMO, playing players that are hungry is the right decision. It's refreshing to see team basketball for a change.

Why did it take Bud so long to realize Bol Bol, Washington and Gillespie could contribute?

I don't think evaluating your roster is quitting though. Game time play is a better evaluation than all the off season camps put together. If there are going to be a ton of changes the Suns have to know what they are going to do with every roster spot. When the team was still thinking they could compete for a title the rotations are always tighter. Now they have more ability to evaluate IMO.

The other reason I think this might be the case? Dunn is not playing a bunch. Could it be because they are already convinced what they have in him and need to evaluate others? Sure seems that way.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think evaluating your roster is quitting though. Game time play is a better evaluation than all the off season camps put together. If there are going to be a ton of changes the Suns have to know what they are going to do with every roster spot. When the team was still thinking they could compete for a title the rotations are always tighter. Now they have more ability to evaluate IMO.

I'm not saying evaluating bench players and two-way players is quitting. Actually I'm saying the opposite.

I want to see players who give the team an opportunity to win.

If anything, Bud waited too long to go to his bench and two-way players. For example, trading for Nick Richards was a step in the right direction as well.

If the Suns are going to lose, I want to see them play hard and play team basketball. Isolation basketball has gotten old and boring.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm not saying evaluating bench players and two-way players is quitting. Actually I'm saying the opposite.

I want to see players who give the team an opportunity to win.

If anything, Bud waited too long to go to his bench and two-way players. For example, adding Nick Richards was a step in the right direction as well.

If the Suns are going to lose, I want to see them play hard and play team basketball. Isolation basketball has gotten old and boring.

I really don't think they had the luxury to do it until now (not getting the Butler trade done). It's not like playing those guys would have put the team back on a title contending track. Most really good teams have a short rotation. That's all I am saying.

If there is one saving grace to the rest of this dismal season it's seeing more of the young guys play.

 

[Mainstreet]

I really don't think they had the luxury to do it until now (not getting the Butler trade done). It's not like playing those guys would have put the team back on a title contending track. Most really good teams have a short rotation. That's all I am saying.

If there is one saving grace to the rest of this dismal season it's seeing more of the young guys play.

The Butler trade was always a long shot.

I wish the Suns had spent more time pursuing other options and not just the rumored trade of Durant.

When the Suns only move at the trade deadline was to dump the contract of Nurkic, it told a story, and not a pretty one. The Suns have the highest paid team in the NBA and currently have a losing record.

Yeah, I enjoy watching the young players. That's where the love of the game started for me. Unfortunately, the Suns dumped their young and upcoming players and will likely have to start over.

 

[Phrazbit]

I've complained about Bud's "feel" for the lineups/rotations lately. A lot of head scratching for me, others as well.

I'm seriously wondering if he's trying to get fired, or is there some directive to gain some analytical data. I wonder about analytics because last year, imo, we saw the same thing happen with Vogel before the trade deadline. This year is seems the mix/mash of lineups is happening after the trade deadline.

He has 2 all-star level players, a couple more guys who are borderline starter, high rotation guys, then a whole bunch of dudes that wouldn't see the court on any other contender.

I think he is just desperate to find something that works but almost everyone beyond our top few guys is severely deficient on one end or the other.

 

[Yuma]

He has 2 all-star level players, a couple more guys who are borderline starter, high rotation guys, then a whole bunch of dudes that wouldn't see the court on any other contender.

I think he is just desperate to find something that works but almost everyone beyond our top few guys is severely deficient on one end or the other.

I think Bud knows what he has in Dunn and Oso. Trying to see if Bol Bol is worth keeping because we lack size so badly. Everyone else, he seems to have given up on a bunch of guys at the end of the bench now. Monte Morris has just plain disappeared from any minutes. Aside from TyTy, our G League team is good for G League, but not for bringing guys up to play.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Bud knows what he has in Dunn and Oso. Trying to see if Bol Bol is worth keeping because we lack size so badly. Everyone else, he seems to have given up on a bunch of guys at the end of the bench now. Monte Morris has just plain disappeared from any minutes. Aside from TyTy, our G League team is good for G League, but not for bringing guys up to play.

I'd like to think this way, but I don't think Bud has a clue. Suns keep riding the same horses that got them here.

At least give us some players that care. What happened to Richards, Dunn, Oso and Monte Morris?

 

[BirdGangThing]

not playing dunn is not the answer - idk wth bud is doing - if the season is lost and he plans on being here next year he has a responsibility to develop our rookies - it's the only way to build on the future

 

[leclerc]

True. Dunn should play a bigger part. Same with Oso and the others. We've had some many games with garbage minutes or times when we needed to mix it up, and instead Bud keeps playing dudes who got us into the hole in the first place. They are not held accountable. I'm not impressed with the coach.

 

[BirdGangThing]

who has our first round draft pick this year - and how much are they paying mike budenholzer? or did they promise him a job? because damn

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I really thought that Vogel was awful and Bud would be an improvement. I couldn't have been much more wrong.

 

[95pro]

Bud might be trying to make a statement. But what? and to whom?