Miles Plumlee Snubbed for All-Star Weekend Rising Stars Challenge

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Michael Carter-Williams, Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard all in All-Star Weekend Rising Stars Challenge
Kurt Helin Jan 29, 2014, 5:45 PM EST

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How Miles Plumlee of the Phoenix Suns got snubbed is an interesting question. For that matter Draymond Green has played better than Barnes in Golden State.

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[BC867]

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I think Miles picked the wrong time of the season, so to speak, to go into a slump.

He has been more aggressive in the past few games. And, as he told Tom Chambers, he had a pretty good free throw and outside shot in college and he is trying to put less pressure on himself.

 

[Catlover]

I think Miles picked the wrong time of the season, so to speak, to go into a slump.

He has been more aggressive in the past few games. And, as he told Tom Chambers, he had a pretty good free throw and outside shot in college and he is trying to put less pressure on himself.

I believe he was talking about high school as far as being an outside shooter. He said he wasn't allowed to shoot from outside in college although I think he was claiming to be a good free throw shooter at Duke.

 

[BC867]

I believe he was talking about high school as far as being an outside shooter. He said he wasn't allowed to shoot from outside in college although I think he was claiming to be a good free throw shooter at Duke.

Thanks. That's what I get for listening to the pre-game show with one ear.

I guess the point is once upon a time, Miles had confidence in his outside shot and is trying to relax under those circumstances and get it back. As more of a finesse Center than a power Center, he needs to.

 

[SirStefan32]

Thanks. That's what I get for listening to the pre-game show with one ear.

I guess the point is once upon a time, Miles had confidence in his outside shot and is trying to relax under those circumstances and get it back. As more of a finesse Center than a power Center, he needs to.

I don't know that I would call Plumlee a finesse Center and not a power Center. Having moves doesn't automatically make someone a non-power anything.

 

[Gaddabout]

Good FT shooter? That's relative. He shot a career 62.5 percent in college. He's shooting .510 right now. So he was better in college, but I don't know anyone who thinks 6/10 is good FT shooting.

 

[Catlover]

Good FT shooter? That's relative. He shot a career 62.5 percent in college. He's shooting .510 right now. So he was better in college, but I don't know anyone who thinks 6/10 is good FT shooting.

He said he used to be a good outside shooter and that he didn't use to have a problem with free throws. In context, they were talking about how horribly he shot them at the start of the season (40% or thereabouts?) and that he had never had this problem before. I picked up from the conversation that he stopped shooting well in college (from anywhere) simply because he stopped getting opportunities to shoot. Big guys that rarely touch the ball on offense, rarely shoot free throws well. I think he'll be a solid FT shooter when we start forcing the ball in to him regularly.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think Miles picked the wrong time of the season, so to speak, to go into a slump.

He's hasn't been playing that well since Len came back. I don't know if he's feeling the pressure from Len or is physically weak cause Len's killing him in practice or something but he's looked like a completely different player the past month as compared to the beginning of the season.

I understand that other teams are now more aware of him and everything but still.

He still deserved to make the rising stars game though. Mason Plumlee, a 41 year old rookie for Atlanta, Adams, Sullinger and Terrence Jones make it over Plumlee? Ha.

 

[95pro]

the all-star game and rookie/sophmore games are jokes.

remember when Yao used to make it all the time, now Kobe and he's been hurt all year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Thanks. That's what I get for listening to the pre-game show with one ear.

As more of a finesse Center than a power Center, he needs to.

Miles is not a finesse center. Are you even watching?

 

[JCSunsfan]

the all-star game and rookie/sophmore games are jokes.

remember when Yao used to make it all the time, now Kobe and he's been hurt all year.

I cannot understand Kobe, he has like 2 weeks of play this year, and he is not healthy now. Even when he did play, he did not play at all-star level.

 

[95pro]

What makes it worse is that Dragic and plumDog weren't part of the festivities.
Goran could use the rest though.

 

[BC867]

Miles is not a finesse center. Are you even watching?

It has already been written that Suns fans wish that Plumlee had the intensity and drive that Len is showing despite his just joining the rotation and bad ankles.

9.5 points and 8.6 boards in three quarters but left on the bench in the 4th, inconsistent play and a fallaway hook shot as his primary offense do not shout out strength.

Yes, I am watching!

 

[Phrazbit]

Pretty sure Plumlee has far more points on dunks and other shots right at the rim than on fallaway hooks. He almost never shoots from mid range or further, he does not shy away from contact and he is regularly trying to force his way onto the interior. He is not a finesse player... at all.

I like some of the flashes Len has shown but to gripe about Plumlee's inconsistency while praising Len (who has had one solid outing all season and frequently is invisible on the court despite being 7'2"), is absolutely absurd.

 

[sunsfan88]

I like some of the flashes Len has shown but to gripe about Plumlee's inconsistency while praising Len (who has had one solid outing all season and frequently is invisible on the court despite being 7'2"), is absolutely absurd.

If you think Len has been invisible on the court even in the very limited minutes he gets, you should consider getting those eyes checked.

Len hasn't dominated or looked great or anything but he's certainly made an impact when he's on the court whether its through rebounding, contesting shots at the rim or scoring though his scoring is pretty rare.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It has already been written that Suns fans wish that Plumlee had the intensity and drive that Len is showing despite his just joining the rotation and bad ankles.



9.5 points and 8.6 boards in three quarters but left on the bench in the 4th, inconsistent play and a fallaway hook shot as his primary offense do not shout out strength.



Yes, I am watching!

His primary shot is a dunk. He does shoot the hook shot but that is most often after throwing his shoulder into an opponent. To call his game finesse is to not be in touch with reality. I am amazed anyone would argue it.
I have high hopes for Len but I think of Len as more finesse right now than Plumlee. Just because he fouls hard in frustration does not make him a power player.
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[SirStefan32]

His primary shot is a dunk. He does shoot the hook shot but that is most often after throwing his shoulder into an opponent. To call his game finesse is to not be in touch with reality. I am amazed anyone would argue it.

I don't get it either. I realize he is a rookie, and still learning to be comfortable out there, but to call him "finesse" is just silly. Having outstanding foot work, hook shot, and some other moves does not someone a "finesse" player. Miles is a tough Center.

I would understand the whole "We need a real Center" rant during the Nash/ Stoudemire era, even during the Lopez/ Gortat years, but I don't get it now. Plumlee was averaging close to a double-double before hitting the "rookie wall" couple of weeks ago- hell, he is still averaging 9.5 points and 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes. On top of that, Len is starting to show his potential.

Combined, Plumlee and Len are averaging 12 points and 11 rebounds, and 2 blocks in 36 minutes. They are essentially both rookies, and one of them is coming back from an injury. Both of them can rebound, defend, block shots, and score in a variety of ways. Why the hell would you bring in an old guy to slow down their development while not producing more?

 

[sunsfan88]

Plumlee isn't a rookie. Just because he couldn't beat out Ian Mahimi as backup C doesn't mean that the 25 year old Plumlee is a rookie.

 

[Catlover]

I don't get it either. I realize he is a rookie, and still learning to be comfortable out there, but to call him "finesse" is just silly. Having outstanding foot work, hook shot, and some other moves does not someone a "finesse" player. Miles is a tough Center.

I would understand the whole "We need a real Center" rant during the Nash/ Stoudemire era, even during the Lopez/ Gortat years, but I don't get it now. Plumlee was averaging close to a double-double before hitting the "rookie wall" couple of weeks ago- hell, he is still averaging 9.5 points and 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes. On top of that, Len is starting to show his potential.

Combined, Plumlee and Len are averaging 12 points and 11 rebounds, and 2 blocks in 36 minutes. They are essentially booth rookies, and one of them is coming back from an injury. Both of them can rebound, defend, block shots, and score in a variety of ways. Why the hell would you bring in an old guy to slow down their development while not producing more?

I agree. It would be nice if we could add a Scott Williams, Jason Collins type center though. Someone near the end of his career that could help mentor our two young centers and give us a body that could swallow up 5 fouls when needed. It needs to be a player that would willingly play 20 minutes one night and then not step on the court for the next several games. Kravtsov isn't a veteran but maybe he can grow into part of what we need. A big body that can help wear down the opposing bruiser on the rare occasion it's needed.

 

[Catlover]

Plumlee isn't a rookie. Just because he couldn't beat out Ian Mahimi as backup C doesn't mean that the 25 year old Plumlee is a rookie.

No, he isn't technically a rookie. But when you play a grand total of 55 minutes in your first season you are essentially a rookie.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am very happy with what we have at center. In fact, I am looking for glaring weaknesses on this team and I don't see any except maturity. All we need is a number 1 option player. It really doesnt matter whether that is at the 2-4 positions. Good grief, we might even have that on our roster in Archie.

Careful how you tinker, Mr. McD.

 

[Catlover]

I am very happy with what we have at center. In fact, I am looking for glaring weaknesses on this team and I don't see any except maturity. All we need is a number 1 option player. It really doesnt matter whether that is at the 2-4 positions. Good grief, we might even have that on our roster in Archie.

Careful how you tinker, Mr. McD.

Me too. Our future at the center spot has never looked this bright. I can't believe he'd do anything to damage that potential. McD is the one that reportedly held out on the Scola deal until they were willing to include Plumlee and obviously he's the one that led the parade for Len. I dont know if we have a true number 1 on our roster but with Bledsoe, Dragic, Green and perhaps eventually Goodwin we have some serious options when it comes time to close out a game.

 

[SirStefan32]

I agree with you guys. I have never been this happy about the Suns Center rotation. I had hopes for the Gortat/ Lopez combo, but I am much more excited about the two youngsters than I was about any Center rotation the Suns ever had.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yes, I think we have two future starting caliber centers. One decent sized and athletic with good footwork, intelligence, and a drive to improve. The other with exceptional size and agility.

 

[95pro]

What really stands out from out young centers is their drive, coupled along with footwork. A really good combo, also they have a little chippiness to them as well.