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1. Thus far the thing that has impressed me the most about Ken Whisenhunt is that with him the words and the music seem to match...in other words, he says that he wants to employ a physcial smashmouth running game, and then he goes and signs two interior linemen in Al Johnson and Mike Gandy who have the ability to be physical run blockers, and then he goes and signs a hard-nosed blocking FB in Terrell Smith.

Whiz said that the free agent signings would be to create depth and competition for starting jobs...and one must concur that this is exactly what he's done...and in the process he's helped make the special teams, a long-time Cardinal weakness, a potential strength this year by adding Sean Morey to a group that includes Aaron Francisco, Hanik Milligan, Marcel Shipp, Monty Beisel and Roderick Hood. Great stuff there.

However...if what was reported on the radio this morning is accurate...that the starting offensive line heading into minicamp is LT-Ross, LG-Wells, C-Johnson, RG-Lutui and RT Gandy...Whiz's credibility must now fall into serious question. Had Whiz deemed Gandy the starting LG and kept Wells as the starting RT, fine. But...to return the team's weakest interior run blocker to the all-important position of LG is simply asinine---there's no better way to put it, really.

We saw first hand that Milford Brown played the left guard postion with far more pop and power than the way Wells did. We also saw first hand that Wells was by far the best RT the Cardinals have tried there in recent memory (which isn't saying all that much---but still, Wells was solid there). So, what is up with all of this?

Whiz should know the importance of the LG position, especially for teams that want to run the ball. For years, Whiz had his best and most physical interior blocker at LG in Alan Faneca---just the mere thought of Whiz coming to the conclusion that Reggie Wells belongs at LG is preposterous.

I am feeling shocked and, quite frankly, disillusioned...and I echo the sentiments of my fellow posters who said: "same ol' same ol'---some things never seem to change."

Also, has Whiz watched any of the Buffalo films to see that Gandy is stronger inside than out? Has he watched the last five game tapes on Milford Brown? Did he watch the first four game tapes of Reggie Wells at LG? Don't try to con us with excuses like, the players were missing assignments. Anyone could see that Reggie Wells was getting overpowered at LG. Anyone.

2. Draft Updates:

#1. Oakland quietly brought local QB prospect Trent Edwards (Stanford) in for a visit this past week and is thinking about taking Edwards at #33, thus giving them the go-ahead to take WR Calvin Johnson. Edwards told the local media following his visit that he feels he is "very much in the mix" in Oakland. Oakland has been in conversations with the Lions about acquiring Josh McCown. Both situations would indicate that Johnson is their #1 pick.

#2. Detroit has indicated that T Joe Thomas is their pick, but that they would like to trade down with Tampa Bay should Oakland go with Russell. What's somewhat curious about Detroit wanting Thomas is that they would appear to be set at the tackles positions already having Jeff Backus (a player they franchised last year--who is only heading into his 7th year and has been about as durable as they come)...and having acquired RT George Foster from the Broncos to solidify their greatest need at RT.

Because QB's Russell and Quinn may both be on the board at #2...the Lions may have some suitors for their #2 pick...but it won't be Tampa Bay.

If the Lions do stay and take Joe Thomas...might the Cardinals try to trade for Jeff Backus or George Foster? Backus is certainly the more physical and he's a LT, which is what they need most. But Foster is a 5th year player with pretty solid talent.

Or--will the Cardinals decide to go after T Levi Brown instead, either by reaching for him at #5 or trading down a few spots and taking him there? With the chance that one of the two QBs may be still on the board when the Cardinals pick, they might get a taker for a trade down.

#3. The Browns are saying that they don't want to draft a QB here. It's likely that they will decide between RB Adrian Peterson and DE Gaines Adams. With RB Jamal Lewis signed for only one year (and Droughns traded away)--Peterson will be the pick here. Count on it.

#4. Tampa Bay, in this scenario, would have its phones rining because both QBs are still on the board. Gruden loves drafting QBs...but...he's got some major holes to fill on his defense. If he stays put and doesn't draft a QB...the Cardinals would be sitting at #5 with--in all likelihood--a few offers to trade down with teams that would want to hop on Russell or Quinn.

So...here's the question of the day...if the scenario plays out that this is the way the first four picks go...and you have to stay put at #5 because the trade offers aren't good enough, who do you pick if you are the Cardinals?

#1. OAK: Johnson, WR

#2. DET: Thomas, T

#3. CLE: Peterson, RB

#4. TB: Adams, DE

#5 ARI: Options:

The stay put options to take:

a) Brown, T
b) Landry, S
c) Okoye, DT
d) Anderson, DT
e) Branch, DT
f) Ginn, WR
g) Willis, LB

I'll offer my pick and the rationale in a few minutes.
 

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Whiz's credibility must now fall into serious question.
I have to question why he is aligning the Oline like he is .. this does not make any sense .. as much as I wanted Whiz and Grimm to have some answers for the Oline it appears they have added more ?'s than answers ...

My excitement for Whiz has come down a notch ..

I really don't like the Ross thing because it smells just like Denny and favoritism ...

Wells is not a very good guard .. he has no push on running plays and gets pushed back by big DTs on passing plays .. but he is a decent tackle ... especially on passing plays ..

What happened to player competition and playing guys where their strengths are .. ???
 

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I'd trade with any of the 7-12 teams that are looking at Russell/Quinn to aquire picks and grab Brown there.
 

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I'd trade with any of the 7-12 teams that are looking at Russell/Quinn to aquire picks and grab Brown there.
There are candidates to take Brown in that range. What if you took a less-than-favorable deal (because in the scenario mitch painted, the offers weren't good) and then lost out on Brown. Shades of Pace/Johnson, IMO.

Stay pat and take your man at #5.
 

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I'd take Brown or Landry.

If Oak takes Johnson, either through a trade or pic I would imagine Russell would be taken before us at 5. I assume the person most likely to drop of those will be Thomas.

If it does play out like you have it I hope we can trade down and get either of the two I mentioned.
 

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There are candidates to take Brown in that range. What if you took a less-than-favorable deal (because in the scenario mitch painted, the offers weren't good) and then lost out on Brown. Shades of Pace/Johnson, IMO.

Stay pat and take your man at #5.


No, you aquire picks and depth, but do not necessarily draft for need. Both Pace/Johnson should have been 2/3 round picks.

If the picks were Boldin/Pace like they could have been, the trade doesn't look that bad anymore. It is not where you trade, but what you come out of it.

If they have players targeted in the 7-12 range, I still say go for it.
 

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The only probable partner in this is Minnesota. Move back 2 spots... Maybe gain another 2nd or 3rd, and still get Brown or Landry. Minny would have to really want Brady Quinn to do this though, and I haven't seen it.

I don't see Brown falling past Atlanta or Miami. Just my opinion.

I really think the safest play is to wait out Minny and see if they crumble. If Quinn goes before, then AP or Thomas might have fallen into our laps.
 

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I just think with the complete mediocrity of our Tackles we have to take Brown or Thomas.

I don't see any way around it. And Brown is a guarantee at #5. Maybe not so much after #7.
 

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I'll offer my pick and the rationale in a few minutes.[/quote]


Brown will be the pick if they drop to 7/8/9 or stay at 5. They won't drop if there is a risk of losing Brown. Believe there is a greater distance in ability between Brown and (say) Staley than between Thomas and Brown. We will not take that chance.
 

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Since it appears that, right or wrong, the staff seems to think that we have our starting o-line on board, I would think that we are not looking at T until at least the third round.

I am still thinking that we stay put at 5 and get a DE.

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I have to question why he is aligning the Oline like he is .. this does not make any sense .. as much as I wanted Whiz and Grimm to have some answers for the Oline it appears they have added more ?'s than answers ...

My excitement for Whiz has come down a notch ..

I really don't like the Ross thing because it smells just like Denny and favoritism ...

Wells is not a very good guard .. he has no push on running plays and gets pushed back by big DTs on passing plays .. but he is a decent tackle ... especially on passing plays ..

What happened to player competition and playing guys where their strengths are .. ???

Keep this in mind, from Mitch's piece:

"However...if what was reported on the radio this morning is accurate..."
 

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Is Arvos aroud to say anything about Jeff Backus? He's exactly the same thing for the Lions last season as Leonard Davis was for the Cards this season. He was a huge disappointment for them after being a high draft pick, but the Lions franchised him so that they wouldn't have to find a replacement in free agency or the draft.

I'm not sure where Backus's reputation as being more physical comes from. This is from his 2006 ESPN Scouts Inc Scouting Report:

Backus has been Detroit's starting LOT since he entered the league in 2001, and the team designated him its franchise player rather than lose him in free agency without compensation. He plays with a good motor, is tough and aggressive and has a little mean streak in him. He has the athletic ability you look for in a left tackle. He has good initial quickness, foot speed and body control. He is a natural knee bender, plays with a good hat level, has good change of direction skills and has good balance. He is fluid in his hips and has a good base, long arms and quick hands. He is hard to get around and does an excellent job of riding the defender past the quarterback. He is a much better pass blocker than he is a run blocker. He flashes in the running game, but he gets overextended on his blocks. He does not bring his feet with him, and he will end up on the ground or get cross-faced at the point of attack. He has good overall pass-pro techniques. He is a good space player, is quick and consistent on his pass sets and rarely gets out of position. He did a good job of passing off line stunts and picking up the blitz. He has good agility and lateral movement and he did an excellent job of mirroring and sliding with the defender. However, Backus does not have ideal upper body strength and only marginal lower-body strength. He plays too high at times and will get bull-rushed back into the QB. Overall, Backus is a pretty good left tackle. He is not pro-bowl caliber yet, but he has a lot of talent. What you like is his overall dependability and consistency at the position. He is a solid starter and should only get better with experience.

He got a six-year, $40 million contract last July. Despite that, Todd McShay lists him as a first-round OLT "disappointment", along with Leonard Davis.

Again, this just magnifies what an untenable situation the Cards put themselves in this offseason in allowing Davis to leave without compensation or a replacement plan. Ugh. :barf:
 
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Keep this in mind, from Mitch's piece:

"However...if what was reported on the radio this morning is accurate..."

Yes CC...IF...

I am still in a state of shock and disbelief...

That being said...if this is indeed the plan heading into minicamp...I go with Levi Brown at #5 to supplant Ross at LT and I go for Justin Blalock or Josh Beekman at #38 (if available) to supplant Wells at LG.
 

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There are candidates to take Brown in that range. What if you took a less-than-favorable deal (because in the scenario mitch painted, the offers weren't good) and then lost out on Brown. Shades of Pace/Johnson, IMO.

Stay pat and take your man at #5.

First of all we have different chefs in the kitchen. Secondly I assure you that the chaos, poor scouting and meddling is no longer an issue. No doubt eveyone in the room will make a case for their first choice, but have confidence that they will be in lockstep by the time the pick is made.

Brown will be the man picked and they will not risk not getting him by trading too far down. No lower than 9. I am afraid Texas could take them at 10 so they won't go to 11. That is the way I see it. Again, we will have 60% disagreeing with the pick if it is not Thomas.
 

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Yes CC...IF...

I am still in a state of shock and disbelief...

That being said...if this is indeed the plan heading into minicamp...I go with Levi Brown at #5 to supplant Ross at LT and I go for Justin Blalock or Josh Beekman at #38 (if available) to supplant Wells at LG.
I like it .. but we would still have Gandy at RT .. Matts blind side ... :bang:

Maybe then we could move Wells back to where he belongs .. RT ..
 

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Brown will be the man picked and they will not risk not getting him by trading too far down. No lower than 9. I am afraid Texas could take them at 10 so they won't go to 11. That is the way I see it. Again, we will have 60% disagreeing with the pick if it is not Thomas.
Can't go any lower than 8 .. I believe that Miami will take him at #9 if hes there ... unless of course Miami trades up with us to take a QB ...
 

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No, you aquire picks and depth, but do not necessarily draft for need. Both Pace/Johnson should have been 2/3 round picks.

If the picks were Boldin/Pace like they could have been, the trade doesn't look that bad anymore. It is not where you trade, but what you come out of it.

If they have players targeted in the 7-12 range, I still say go for it.
Okay. But, I can only respond to what you post. You said you'd trade back to take Brown later in the draft; so that's what I responded to.
 

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First of all we have different chefs in the kitchen. Secondly I assure you that the chaos, poor scouting and meddling is no longer an issue. No doubt eveyone in the room will make a case for their first choice, but have confidence that they will be in lockstep by the time the pick is made.

What does this assurance come from? Everything I've read said it was Denny Green who streamlined our draft board, whats to say changes haven't been made in that regard(positive or negative)?
 
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Let me just say that I am in a full-blown panic mode now that the starting o-line has been reported. All my hopes for S LaRon Landry, whom I consider to be the best player in this draft, are dashed.

I am all about Levi Brown at #5 and the best guard prospect on the board at #38...be it Justin Blalock (Texas), Josh Beekman (BC), Ben Grubbs (Auburn) or Arron Sears (Tennessee).

There's NO way we win the reported o-line. No way.

This is a mind-altering day for me. I now have zero faith in the HC...IF...what's been reported is indeed true.

Sorry...panic mode has set in big-time.
 

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