Murray looks scared to throw the ball downfield

[BritCard]

Me pointing out that you are stating rookies are having good years while claiming kyler is a problem when he was ROY proves your point? I mean, we have no idea how those rookies will do in year two right now.

I'm pointing out that the "Kyler is still learning" brigade are talking nonsense

 

[BigRedRage]

I'm pointing out that the "Kyler is still learning" brigade are talking nonsense

he is

as are those rookies.

We cannot say "but that rookie is having a great year" when kyler also had a great rookie year. Those rookies are still learning too.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't know why because I admit Kyler is playing poorly too but too many people on here make these hot takes and then just act like it never was said when something goes against it. Everyone last week was blasting Kyler for not playing well against NE. NE sucks we made them look great. For weeks now we've been told how much better Justin Herbert is than Kyler despite being a rookie etc.

So Herbert yesterday loses 45-0 to NE, he goes 26-53 209 yards no TD's 2 picks, less than 4 yards per attempt, and it wasn't they couldn't run the ball they had 2 backs combined average 4.7 YPA. He got sacked 3 times and per his own admission the NE defense had him so confused he often rushed throws when he had time and other times failed to recognize the pass rush and then couldn't step into the throw. He's had a great rookie year, he looks terrific, but even he was terrible against NE and he admitted they have good players and are so well coached they confused me the whole game.

Kyler has played more NFL games but he's not the first young NFL QB to get confused by a good coach, and with the Rams again they had allowed 2 TD's all season in the second half, they have the best DL in the NFL in Donald, and one of the better DB's in Ramsey. They are not exactly mediocre.

He has to play better

The rams first year DC is pretty good. Man it would be great if we had a gm who could identify good coaching talent.

 

[BritCard]

he is

as are those rookies.

We cannot say "but that rookie is having a great year" when kyler also had a great rookie year. Those rookies are still learning too.

That's not my point. My point is Kyler has played 28 NFL games which is more than enough to be considerably better than he has been.

By the way, being OROTY when there are no other good rookie QBs isn't that much of an achievement.

 

[BigRedRage]

That's not my point. My point is Kyler has played 28 NFL games which is more than enough to be considerably better than he has been.

By the way, being OROTY when there are no other good rookie QBs isn't that much of an achievement.

you can twist it any way you want by murray is young and learning on the job. There is no argument to state that he has played so much that he should be elite all the time by now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That's not my point. My point is Kyler has played 28 NFL games which is more than enough to be considerably better than he has been.

By the way, being OROTY when there are no other good rookie QBs isn't that much of an achievement.

the troubling thing is that a guy who’s going to be a great QB should be getting BETTER at this point. He’s not. His footwork is bad, his pocket presence is starting to deteriorate as he’s running backwards again and I might be wrong here but it seems like he’s getting more balls batted down lately as well.

 

[BigRedRage]

Should we point out hebert while clowning on rodgers for his game vs the bucs?

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[Krangodnzr]

The rams first year DC is pretty good. Man it would be great if we had a gm who could identify good coaching talent.

I think that was a McVay hire, but yeah, Keim is in over his head.

For every good move he makes, it seems like he makes 3 others that SUCK.

I think there is a combination of factors for the Cardinals recent struggles.
1. Murray's injury IS hampering his ability to make throws he was making before.
2. Teams have figured out how to bottle up the Cardinals offense.
3. Kingsbury is sticking with the "system works" approach and isn't adjusting for the circumstances
4. The roster still has MAJOR holes. Keim constantly drafts to fix mistakes.
5. At a certain point, you HAVE TO play Simmons. Hicks is AWFUL in coverage, he can't be on the field in obvious passing situations.

 

[DVontel]

The rams first year DC is pretty good. Man it would be great if we had a gm who could identify good coaching talent.

Keim just goes for name-value. Hiring McCoy then turning around & hiring Vance just made no sense at all.

 

[HomerPimpson]

Yup, Kliff has him running 2, maybe 3 routes. All on the same side. Doesn't even move him around so the defense has to adjust to switching sides.

Just lol at this route map. It's as if Nuk's head is made of metal and there's a giant magnet on the left sideline.

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Here's Davante Adams from yesterday.

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I'm a fairly optimistic dude but Hopkins route tree is...disturbing.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Wow the difference between the two years is stunning.

Same pattern with Kirk

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Larry

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Kliff is very predictable

 

[Russ Smith]

The rams first year DC is pretty good. Man it would be great if we had a gm who could identify good coaching talent.

It's hard to say they have 2 absolutely elite talents on the defense but yes they appear to be better this year than last and offense as a whole is up this year. They are giving up 2 less points, 30 less passing yards with the same players in a year when offense is way up. I'm not a Ram follower it does appear their defense has less injuries than some other teams, their offense has lost a bunch of guys to injury seems like the defense has been more consistently healthy which is huge if true.

 

[Russ Smith]

On the route stuff just to clarify is that all the routes run? If it's just catches then it's where Kyler throws the ball but if its' routes run unless it's again where Kyler likes to throw so that's where the routes are run, yes that's alarming

If you are that predictable it's very bad

 

[BritCard]

the troubling thing is that a guy who’s going to be a great QB should be getting BETTER at this point. He’s not. His footwork is bad, his pocket presence is starting to deteriorate as he’s running backwards again and I might be wrong here but it seems like he’s getting more balls batted down lately as well.

Try explaining that to Big Red Rage.

I'm tired of the "he's learning" excuses. Everyone is learning all the time. Its no excuse for being bad, playing well below your capabilities and actually regressing.

Yes, defo more batted passes.

 

[BigRedRage]

Try explaining that to Big Red Rage.

I'm tired of the "he's learning" excuses. Everyone is learning all the time. Its no excuse for being bad, playing well below your capabilities and actually regressing.

Yes, defo more batted passes.

I'm not making excuses, I just thought your comment stating rookies are playing well was dumb. I fully feel Murray is playing like ass but ultimately, he is learning still and he is learning with what might be a handicap in coaching.

But it still has nothing to do with herbert.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's not my point. My point is Kyler has played 28 NFL games which is more than enough to be considerably better than he has been.

By the way, being OROTY when there are no other good rookie QBs isn't that much of an achievement.

So, are you calling him Mitch Trubisky? Because that the closest player to Kyler's college experience in the league.

 

[BritCard]

So, are you calling him Mitch Trubisky? Because that the closest player to Kyler's college experience in the league.

I don't get your question. Are people really trying to tell me that he's not good because he only played Big10 defenses for 1 year and not 2?

Hes always going to have only played 1 year in college. When does it stop being an excuse?

He's not getting better. I had more faith in week 13 Kyler last year.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't get your question. Are people really trying to tell me that he's not good because he only played Big10 defenses for 1 year and not 2?

Hes always going to have only played 1 year in college. When does it stop being an excuse?

He's not getting better. I had more faith in week 13 Kyler last year.

I think people are stating that learning how to play QB at the highest level possible may be one of the most difficult things in sports.

 

[BritCard]

I think people are stating that learning how to play QB at the highest level possible may be one of the most difficult things in sports.

#1 picks are learning to play QB?

Lets be clear here. Every player is always learning. Especially young players. But they are learning advanced aspects of the position. The last 5%.

Kylers not even doing the 95% well.

If there was a "program loading" bar its would be going backwards.

I don't expect him to be the finished article but I expect him to be much better.

I'm certain he himself expects better.

 

[Chopper0080]

#1 picks are learning to play QB?

Lets be clear here. Every player is always learning. Especially young players. But they are learning advanced aspects of the position. The last 5%.

Kylers not even doing the 95% well.

If there was a "program loading" bar its would be going backwards.

I don't expect him to be the finished article but I expect him to be much better.

I'm certain he himself expects better.

When you take a QB with an abnormally low number of starts...yes.

Successful QB with the number of starts Kyler had may be more of an outlier than his height.

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[Minski]

#1 picks are learning to play QB?

Lets be clear here. Every player is always learning. Especially young players. But they are learning advanced aspects of the position. The last 5%.

Kylers not even doing the 95% well.

If there was a "program loading" bar its would be going backwards.

I don't expect him to be the finished article but I expect him to be much better.

I'm certain he himself expects better.

What is this 95% he’s not doing well? 3 weeks ago he was in MVP discussions.

 

[BritCard]

What is this 95% he’s not doing well? 3 weeks ago he was in MVP discussions.

Seeing the field, going through his reads, making throws with anticipation, throwing accurate passes. You know, the stuff that QB's do.

 

[BritCard]

When you take a QB with an abnormally low number of starts...yes.

Successful QB with the number of starts Kyler had may be more of an outlier than his height.

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I feel like were talking in circles.

Yes, there are things Kyler still needed to learn he didn't in college.

But those things aren't the basics of playing QB. Going through reads, throwing with anticipation, throwing accurate, mechanics etc. You expect the #1 pick to have those things, and he had a bunch more of them down last year than this year.

What you expect a QB to be learning is pocket presence, reading defenses, making adjustments and the like.

I don't expect him to be learning how to see a wide open guy running a crossing route and be able to throw the ball to him with a lead.

I'm not exactly sure why you're arguing the point seeing as you said exactly the same things just last week.

 

[Russ Smith]

I feel like were talking in circles.

Yes, there are things Kyler still needed to learn he didn't in college.

But those things aren't the basics of playing QB. Going through reads, throwing with anticipation, throwing accurate, mechanics etc. You expect the #1 pick to have those things, and he had a bunch more of them down last year than this year.

What you expect a QB to be learning is pocket presence, reading defenses, making adjustments and the like.

I don't expect him to be learning how to see a wide open guy running a crossing route and be able to throw the ball to him with a lead.

I'm not exactly sure why you're arguing the point seeing as you said exactly the same things just last week.

An aside not about Murray but last week someone posted a link to Kurt Warner talking about QB's and how they need to read the defenders not the Wr's. If you watch the whole thing and some of the other Warner stuff it's pretty interesting stuff. I don't get all 22 so I never see what they're looking at but he makes the point in several of these tapes you would be amazed how many NFL QB's are missing WIDE open guys multiple times in games because they aren't looking at the right thing. Not saying Kyler doesn't do it and doesn't struggle with reading defenses but Warner said it's something he sees as a real issue with QB development, that guys are taught to remember plays and formations and know where everyone is supposed to be, but the actual reading of defenses is sort of left up to them to figure out. It's why he said a guy like Wentz has looked so bad this year without experienced WR's, they're not always where they're supposed to be or where he thinks they should be so since he reads the Wr more than the defense, it takes him longer to figure out who's going to get open and then he gets pressured and or sacked. Unfortunately what happens, and I think this IS relevant to Kyler, what often happens with younger QB's is they learn to deal with that by making less reads not more. Focus on the first couple of options and if they're not open, then if you're Kyler you run.

Whereas if they were taught to read the defense, the actions of the defenders would take them to where the opening is, and then if the Wr is in the right place he'll be open. Which was another point Kurt made, how few WR's come into the NFL anymore understanding coverages, even the guys who know routes, say Jeudy, don't necessarily understand coverages. When I saw that part I immediately thought about Isabella.

 

[TaylorSwift]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/07/kyler-murray-weve-kind-of-hit-a-wall-offensively/

“We’ve kind of hit a wall, as far as offensively,” Murray said, via the team’s website. “That first half of the season, it was kind of effortless. We were moving the ball, having fun, playing fast. When you face a little bit of adversity, how do you react? How do you adjust? Which we ended up doing, but it was just a little too late.”

Outside of honoring Kliffs contract, any real reason to stick with him beyond this offseason?