Murray looks scared to throw the ball downfield

[Chopper0080]

I feel like were talking in circles.

Yes, there are things Kyler still needed to learn he didn't in college.

But those things aren't the basics of playing QB. Going through reads, throwing with anticipation, throwing accurate, mechanics etc. You expect the #1 pick to have those things, and he had a bunch more of them down last year than this year.

What you expect a QB to be learning is pocket presence, reading defenses, making adjustments and the like.

I don't expect him to be learning how to see a wide open guy running a crossing route and be able to throw the ball to him with a lead.

I'm not exactly sure why you're arguing the point seeing as you said exactly the same things just last week.

When you are at Oklahoma, you don;t really need to progress through reads as quickly as you do in the NFL. IN the NFL time in the pocket speeds up. You constantly have bodies around you which is very different from college. Your footwork and depth of your drops which didn't really matter in college now becomes vital to your ability to be consistent. In college, especially at the top schools, you don't have to anticipate because your WRs superior talent gets them wide open. In the NFL, you have to throw players open. The game prep at the NFL level is more critical than it is in college. The ability to self scout is vital so you know how teams will attack you.

It is all over this board that I thought Kyler was a huge risk being taken #1. He was an outlier in so many different areas. One of those was his experience coming in. I have had to re-calibrate my expectations knowing this. He isn't a guy who started three seasons and had to elevate marginal players on a Stanford or Texas Tech or NC State just to be competitive. He played one game vs a team with a better roster than he had and they got housed. He is having to do things he never had to do in college, with maybe the exception of the game vs Alabama.

Kyler has 28 NFL starts which equates to 2 college seasons. Add that to his one year at Oklahoma and you can argue that he finally has the same starting experience that most college QBs have when they are drafted.

 

[TaylorSwift]

I dont even know the point of talking Kyler when Kliff is the worst offensive play caller in the league.

Lets get even decent coaching and play calling and then evaluate from there

 

[Chopper0080]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/07/kyler-murray-weve-kind-of-hit-a-wall-offensively/



Outside of honoring Kliffs contract, any real reason to stick with him beyond this offseason?

Your organizational reputation and the ability to hire a better option.

This would be a terrible offseason for the Cardinals to try and get a new head coach.

Jets - #1 pick.
Jags - #2 pick.
Falcons - Matt Ryan.
Chargers - Justin Herbert and a better roster.

You can make an easy argument that all of those spots are better options than a team with a small, inconsistent QB, questionable GM, and impatient owner (3 coaches in 4 years).

 

[DVontel]

Your organizational reputation and the ability to hire a better option.

This would be a terrible offseason for the Cardinals to try and get a new head coach.

Jets - #1 pick.
Jags - #2 pick.
Falcons - Matt Ryan.
Chargers - Justin Herbert and a better roster.

You can make an easy argument that all of those spots are better options than a team with a small, inconsistent QB, questionable GM, and impatient owner (3 coaches in 4 years).

Going on 36 year old Matt Ryan is definitely not a selling point for a GM.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Your organizational reputation and the ability to hire a better option.

This would be a terrible offseason for the Cardinals to try and get a new head coach.

Jets - #1 pick.
Jags - #2 pick.
Falcons - Matt Ryan.
Chargers - Justin Herbert and a better roster.

You can make an easy argument that all of those spots are better options than a team with a small, inconsistent QB, questionable GM, and impatient owner (3 coaches in 4 years).

small, inconsistent QB

You are going to have to let the anti-kyler hate go. No qb would succeed long term in this offense.

Arizona will be the #1 destination spot in the NFL for a GM/Coach combo.

1. Diminutive but ultra talented qb in his rookie contract who has shown he can play at a very high level in the NFL
2. The Best WR in the league
3. Cap space.
4. No Patrick Mahomes in their conference.