Murray to Sit

[oaken1]

Probably be roundly dismissed for this, but for years....and years........ and...... years. Andy Reid was a talented, lovable doofus, who could coach the regular season, but couldn't win when it mattered, in the playoffs.

It went on for seasons, until he was kind of run out on a rail in PHI. Then he struggled with the same in KC, until.... he got that QB dude, and was paired with Taylors guy. Now he can do no wrong. He is the pillar of how things must be done to win the big one. This board was evenly split when we were rumored suitors of his talents upon exiting PHI. "He makes bizarre game time decisions!" was his calling card. "Cost his team the win!"

Others felt differently.

Point being, every season all coaches but one are ultimately losers. Until they aren't. And no one knows what combination of things it was that got them over the top. But the boards light up with conjecture. I'd love to see someone do the deep dive into winning percentages for coaches who play and those that sit their starters for preseason. To me, the bemoaning of the relatively new approach of sitting the entirety of the preseason reeks of serious old man vibes.

I wont do the work, because I watch football to be entertained, and I read this board to be entertained (Its very entertaining, Ill tell you that!). I don't care enough to actually do that work. But I just thought Id point out, in my own inconsequential way, that everybody has a different approach to how to summit mount Lombardi. But its very frustrating to read and re read the lamentations of our way being different that the most recent mountaineer to reach the pinnacle, when for most of his career, he didn't have the Sherpa to get him there, and was roundly dismissed as not being able to do it on his own. Now, his way is the only way to get there?

Laughable.

Reid won in the playoffs well enough to get to the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row...with Donovan McNabb

Let's not undercut the man's value

 

[schutd]

Reid won in the playoffs well enough to get to the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row...with Donovan McNabb

Let's not undercut the man's value

I never did. But it was certainly a point of discussion on these boards.

 

[WakeForestCard]

Reid won in the playoffs well enough to get to the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row...with Donovan McNabb

Let's not undercut the man's value

This reads like you think McNabb was some scrub?

 

[CardNots]

This reads like you think McNabb was some scrub?

whic he certainly was top. One of the top QBs in the league for several years. One could argue the coach made him better than he would have been.

 

[Chopper0080]

This reads like you think McNabb was some scrub?

His production was comparable to Matt Hasselbeck's during the same era. Both were good but not HOF QBs.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

His production was comparable to Matt Hasselbeck's during the same era. Both were good but not HOF QBs.

I think this is pretty harsh on McNabb...Hasselbeck never was better than just fine (like Kirk Cousins), whereas McNabb often was one of the better QB's at the time.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think this is pretty harsh on McNabb...Hasselbeck never was better than just fine (like Kirk Cousins), whereas McNabb often was one of the better QB's at the time.

Let's break it down

MH: 85-75 record
60.5% comp %
36,638 yards
212 TDs passing
2.9% int%
3 PBs
1231 yards rushing
8 rushing TDs

DM: 98-62-1
59% comp%
37,276 yards
234 TDs
2.2% int%
6 PBs
3459 yards rushing
29 rushing TDs

So...I think it is clear McNabb was better than Hasselbeck but not a HOF. Drew Bledsoe might be a better comp.

 

[kerouac9]

I think this is pretty harsh on McNabb...Hasselbeck never was better than just fine (like Kirk Cousins), whereas McNabb often was one of the better QB's at the time.

He's not wrong tho.

McNabb was the better two-way player, but I was surprised by how comparable their stats were.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

So...I think it is clear McNabb was better than Hasselbeck but not a HOF.

Agree with this. Even with very similar stats, I also feel that Hasselbeck was mainly along for the ride, whereas McNabb had to be gameplanned.

 

[Chopper0080]

Agree with this. Even with very similar stats, I also feel that Hasselbeck was mainly along for the ride, whereas McNabb had to be gameplanned.

It's kinda a nebulous group. Boomer Esiason in in that convo. Steve McNair. Carson Palmer. Cam Newton. Drew Bledsoe.

 

[WakeForestCard]

His production was comparable to Matt Hasselbeck's during the same era. Both were good but not HOF QBs.

Fair, but given the state of his WR corps (outside of TO for 1.5 years) he worked miracles. Unless I'm retroactively dismissing the talents of Todd Pinkston and Chad Lewis.

 

[SECTION 11]

I always remember McNabb as firing five yards passes like they were 50 yard passes. Dude had no touch.

 

[oaken1]

McNabb was a solid competitor. His major issue was choking when the pressure was on.



by the way...didnt he run for three touchdowns against us with a broken ankle?

 

[blindseyed]

The title of this thread is "Murray to sit" I pop it open and see McNabb, Hasselbeck , Steve McNair and just went ...ahh this is so ASFN lol

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The title of this thread is "Murray to sit" I pop it open and see McNabb, Hasselbeck , Steve McNair and just went ...ahh this is so ASFN lol

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