My most overrated first round type guys for this draft

[Cbus cardsfan]

1-Patrick Willis-he's a good player but David Harris, i think, is much better and he's a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Guys like Willis are usually 2nd rounder.People want him at 5. Ray Lewis and Jonathon Vilma were much better prospects and the were late in the first round before their name got called.
2-Paul Posluzny- i think his injury really took alot away from him.He just looks too slow and mechanical to excell at the NFL level.Chris Spielman said he should be a 2nd day pick.
3-Levi Brown- the dearth of tackles in this draft is the only reason he gets a mention in the upper haf of the draft.
4-Amoni Okoye-who heard of him before the combine? Those type of guys scare me. It's not like Lousville played under the radar all year.
5-Jamarcus Russell-if i didn't see his ESPNNEWS interview, i probably wouldn't have him on here. But,afterseeing that, i would stay away from the guy. I know you shouldn't judge by 1 interview but he came off THAT bad.
6-Adam Carriker-Nebraska DE's scare me. I watched Nebraska a few times this year and he never stood out. Another combine guy.

 

[Stout]

1-Patrick Willis-he's a good player but David Harris, i think, is much better and he's a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Guys like Willis are usually 2nd rounder.People want him at 5. Ray Lewis and Jonathon Vilma were much better prospects and the were late in the first round before their name got called.
2-Paul Posluzny- i think his injury really took alot away from him.He just looks too slow and mechanical to excell at the NFL level.Chris Spielman said he should be a 2nd day pick.3-Levi Brown- the dearth of tackles in this draft is the only reason he gets a mention in the upper haf of the draft.
4-Amoni Okoye-who heard of him before the combine? Those type of guys scare me. It's not like Lousville played under the radar all year.
5-Jamarcus Russell-if i didn't see his ESPNNEWS interview, i probably wouldn't have him on here. But,afterseeing that, i would stay away from the guy. I know you shouldn't judge by 1 interview but he came off THAT bad.
6-Adam Carriker-Nebraska DE's scare me. I watched Nebraska a few times this year and he never stood out. Another combine guy.

Once again, he was asked to play out of position on a defense where the specific position he was asked to play is known for gritty but unflashy work. THAT'S the reason for his drop off, not the injury. He took one for the team.

 

[Shogun]

I agree with some of your opinions, but I have a bone to pick with the following.

1-Patrick Willis-he's a good player but David Harris, i think, is much better and he's a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Guys like Willis are usually 2nd rounder.People want him at 5. Ray Lewis and Jonathon Vilma were much better prospects and the were late in the first round before their name got called.

Bah @ Harris in comparison to Harris. Willis has much better game speed and has "it". Harris doesn't. Vilma was selected 12 (not really as far off as you think) only because of "issues" with his size for the position and Ray Lewis had similar knocks and was drafted 26th and NO ONE would have guessed he blew up the way he did unless you were a Miami fan. He wasn't even considered the best LB in his draft class, you're going off of his output currently. If I were to be impartial (bka Not a 'Cane homer), I think that Willis is on par with Vilma in terms of a prospect.

4-Amoni Okoye-who heard of him before the combine? Those type of guys scare me. It's not like Lousville played under the radar all year.

*raises hand*

I've watched this kid since his Soph. and he had the goods then - but I didn't know I was watching someone close to my age. He's not on Tommie Harris' level as a prospect, he is very good and showed up ready to go in the offseason draft process. Don't hate him because YOU never heard of him until this year. But I agree that he's been overhyped because of his age and what he COULD grow into. If he was 21, 22, he'd be a mid-to-late-first rounder no question.

6-Adam Carriker-Nebraska DE's scare me. I watched Nebraska a few times this year and he never stood out. Another combine guy.

Carriker is a physical freak and was phenomenal last year. This year, not so much, but honestly, I won't hold that against him too much because while he wasn't dominate like you'd want to see him he was still effective for the defense - and then again the guy is a FREAK athletically.

 

[CardLogic]

Once again, he was asked to play out of position on a defense where the specific position he was asked to play is known for gritty but unflashy work. THAT'S the reason for his drop off, not the injury. He took one for the team.

I think this is a factor, but I also think that injuries of the type Posluzny had take more than a full year to recover to 100% of pre-injury capability. He should be back to full strength and speed for his first season in the NFL, but you never know until you see it. Without the injury Posluzny would be a top ten pick!

 

[kerouac9]

I think that if anyone expects Posluzny to be a playmaker LB like Ernie Sims, Derrick Johnson, Derrick Brooks, etc., they're going to be disappointed.

I think that he's going to be a solid core LB like Hunter Hillenmeyer, D.J. Williams, Sheldon Quarles, London Fletcher (when he was with the Rams), etc. Those guys are great values in the late teens to mid-20s. They're the way that a good team stays good, because you can usually pen them in for 8 seasons for consistent production.

I like Okoye, and he jumped out to me during his bowl game, but I don't think he's a Top 8 talent in this draft. He's a risky pick until 9 or so.

Essentially, the Cards have to hope that someone takes a quarterback before them. There are really 4 blue-chip prospects in this draft in Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, and Gaines Adams (no, there aren't the warts on him that push him out of this blue-chip group). Then there are the two QBs, whom I don't really think are better prospects than Jason Campbell was a couple seasons ago.

The Cards are stuck praying that one of the teams above them are dumb enough to take a QB so that they can get one of these guys, otherwise they're stuck overpaying for a player that could be just as good as a guy taken 12th overall.

 

[kerouac9]

I agree with some of your opinions, but I have a bone to pick with the following.
Bah @ Harris in comparison to Harris. Willis has much better game speed and has "it". Harris doesn't. Vilma was selected 12 (not really as far off as you think) only because of "issues" with his size for the position and Ray Lewis had similar knocks and was drafted 26th and NO ONE would have guessed he blew up the way he did unless you were a Miami fan. He wasn't even considered the best LB in his draft class, you're going off of his output currently. If I were to be impartial (bka Not a 'Cane homer), I think that Willis is on par with Vilma in terms of a prospect.

I like Vilma as a player, but I'm not sure that he has played up to his draft status. Part of that is the system that he's played in the last few years in New York, but if he doesn't make The Leap next season, you have to wonder if he's just going to be one of those solid yet unspectacular guys like Al Wilson. I like players like that; I just don't like them at #5 overall.

Vilma was drafted 12th overall in an absolutely stacked draft year in 2004. I think that when people look back on this decade, they're going to see 2006 and 2004 as the years that really set the tone for the NFL's top talent for the next era.

Maybe in this draft class, Willis will go in the Top 10, but I think that everyone's bunched together between 5-14 or so if you exclude the quarterbacks, and it'll just depend on how well scouts are able to split hairs. Some people call that a deep draft class, but I think it just means that a lot of these prospects aren't very good. I think that this draft class is going to compare favorably to the 2002 stinkfest.

 

[Stout]

I think that if anyone expects Posluzny to be a playmaker LB like Ernie Sims, Derrick Johnson, Derrick Brooks, etc., they're going to be disappointed.

I think that he's going to be a solid core LB like Hunter Hillenmeyer, D.J. Williams, Sheldon Quarles, London Fletcher (when he was with the Rams), etc. Those guys are great values in the late teens to mid-20s. They're the way that a good team stays good, because you can usually pen them in for 8 seasons for consistent production.

Excellent analysis, K9.

 

[BACH]

I think that if anyone expects Posluzny to be a playmaker LB like Ernie Sims, Derrick Johnson, Derrick Brooks, etc., they're going to be disappointed.

I think that he's going to be a solid core LB like Hunter Hillenmeyer, D.J. Williams, Sheldon Quarles, London Fletcher (when he was with the Rams), etc. Those guys are great values in the late teens to mid-20s. They're the way that a good team stays good, because you can usually pen them in for 8 seasons for consistent production.

I agree.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

For some reason, i was thinking Vilma was drafted in the high teens or low 20's.

 

[General Chaos]

Alan Branch will be a bust IMO. I really do think that 1st round DT's seem to have a very high bust rate ie (Ryan Sims, Jonathan Sullivan, Wendell Bryant, Dewayne Robertson.) It always seems to be the ones with questionable motors.

 

[Jetstream Green]

ya'

any of the QBs taken in round one this draft

 

[kerouac9]

Alan Branch will be a bust IMO. I really do think that 1st round DT's seem to have a very high bust rate ie (Ryan Sims, Jonathan Sullivan, Wendell Bryant, Dewayne Robertson.) It always seems to be the ones with questionable motors.

DeWayne Robertson hasn't been a bust for the Jets. He does everything they ask him to. He plays the Nose in the Jets' 3-4, but he's a solid player there. He's only missed 3 games since he was drafted.

Good selective memory on DTs, though. I guess you just forgot Casey Hampton, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Luis Castillo, Tommie Harris, Marcus Tubbs, John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth, and Marcus Stroud.

 

[seesred]

If this kid is there when we pick our second rounder, and IMO he might be there, and I would grab him. -Paul Posluzny- I can't pronounce his name but I would take him.

GBR
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[MadCardDisease]

1-LaRon Landry- If taken in the top ten will never be able to live up to the Hype for a safety.
2-Paul Posluzny- Doesn't project well to the NFL due to size and strength.
3-Levi Brown- Looks like an mauler type OT but actually lacks aggressiveness in his blocking style. Stops his feet when contact is made. Could struggle in the NFL.

 

[Stout]

1-LaRon Landry- If taken in the top ten will never be able to live up to the Hype for a safety.
2-Paul Posluzny- Doesn't project well to the NFL due to size and strength.
3-Levi Brown- Looks like an mauler type OT but actually lacks aggressiveness in his blocking style. Stops his feet when contact is made. Could struggle in the NFL.

All you Posluzny haters will eat crow, I tell ya. He's not the crazy-fast playmaking LB, but he is a solid, hard-nosed, get-the-job-done kind of guy. I PRAY he's there in the 2nd.

 

[General Chaos]

DeWayne Robertson hasn't been a bust for the Jets. He does everything they ask him to. He plays the Nose in the Jets' 3-4, but he's a solid player there. He's only missed 3 games since he was drafted.

Good selective memory on DTs, though. I guess you just forgot Casey Hampton, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Luis Castillo, Tommie Harris, Marcus Tubbs, John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth, and Marcus Stroud.

We can play this game all day: Travis Johnson, Broderick Bunkley (He's young but didn't really play well last year), Jimmy Kennedy, William Joseph, and Damione Lewis. To me it just seems that it is a better bet to take DT's later in the draft.

I sit next to a Jets fan and he has always told me that the Jets are looking for a replacement for Robertson.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

4-Amoni Okoye-who heard of him before the combine? Those type of guys scare me. It's not like Lousville played under the radar all year.

this is just wrong. i watched a few louisville games this year and he flat out shone every opp. i was mesmerized by his play in his bowl game too. he's not a workout warrior.

 

[perivolaki]

I think that if anyone expects Posluzny to be a playmaker LB like Ernie Sims, Derrick Johnson, Derrick Brooks, etc., they're going to be disappointed.

I'm not picking on you specifically but the accuracy of this board on who will be a good player has been terrible.

Most people here did not want to draft Derrick Johnson and thought he would be a bust. Most people here did not want to draft Tommie Harris because he was to small. It seems that the majority thought that Vince Young would be a bust too.

We have to hope that Whiz and company are good evaluators and still understand that the best guys that do this job for a living only bat 50%.