My whine from yesterday

[Russ Smith]

Tough loss still mad. We need to be better.

OK how in the hell did they call a penalty on Baker for leading with his head when it was Gesicki that caused that?

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I'm all for protecting players and Baker in the past has been guilty but he doesn't lead with his helmet here this is entirely caused by the taller player ducking HIS head and hitting Baker.

That was a huge call and frankly I don't know how they missed it, as Baker said he's so much taller than me how can I hit him in the head without him ducking his head?

We still might have lost and we had tons of other chances and the facemask penalty where our guy was being held AND at one point facemasked was even worse but this one really got me mad after I saw the replay

 

[Shane]

Not even arguable he 100% lead with his head. He’s does it often there was a game earlier in the year where he should have been called For it too the commentators talked about it for like 2 minutes and showed replays wondering why it wasn’t called... can’t recall the game. Sorry Russ not defendable he clearly lowers his head and comes in for the boom. Gesicki lowers it too but he is the protected offensive player and does it in reaction to Buddha coming at him.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

I think the officials are scared to death of missing this call. It looks to me that the force of impact is what this call is being made upon. Budda said on twitter " I'm 5'10, he's 6'4" " -- the only way for them to go head-to-head is for the TE to lower his head, a lot.

 

[Shane]

I think the officials are scared to death of missing this call. It looks to me that the force of impact is what this call is being made upon. Budda said on twitter " I'm 5'10, he's 6'4" " -- the only way for them to go head-to-head is for the TE to lower his head, a lot.

Size literally has nothing to do with lowering your head and leading with it which is exactly what he did

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Not even arguable he 100% lead with his head. He’s does it often there was a game earlier in the year where he should have been called For it too the commentators talked about it for like 2 minutes and showed replays wondering why it wasn’t called... can’t recall the game. Sorry Russ not defendable he clearly lowers his head and comes in for the boom. Gesicki lowers it too but he is the protected offensive player and does it in reaction to Buddha coming at him.

He leading with his shoulder. You can tell because it’s the side of his helmet that gets hit by the crown of the TE’s helmet. If he was leading with his helmet the crown of both helmets would have clashed.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Size literally has nothing to do with lowering your head and leading with it which is exactly what he did

You can clearly see him **** his head to the side to hit him with his shoulder.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not even arguable he 100% lead with his head. He’s does it often there was a game earlier in the year where he should have been called For it too the commentators talked about it for like 2 minutes and showed replays wondering why it wasn’t called... can’t recall the game. Sorry Russ not defendable he clearly lowers his head and comes in for the boom. Gesicki lowers it too but he is the protected offensive player and does it in reaction to Buddha coming at him.

Watch the play. If Gesicki doesn't lower his head, Bakers going to hit him in the chest or pad which is textbook.

That's not leading with your head that's running and then getting ready to hit a much bigger player in the chest.

I actually can't find a site anywhere that doesn't think that was a bad call. Even the first dolphin fan site I found thought it was a bad call. Gesicki lowered his head and they hit helmets. Budda doesn't lower his helmet he's running like that the last several feet and as someone else said he turns his head so he can deliver the blow with the shoulder, but Gesicki lowered HIS head.

Again doesn't cost us the game but I do think the NFL should review calls like this because that is NOT a penalty.

 

[Shane]

He leading with his shoulder. You can tell because it’s the side of his helmet that gets hit by the crown of the TE’s helmet. If he was leading with his helmet the crown of both helmets would have clashed.

Lol ya umm ok.... his head goes toward the ground and leads with it.... crown first

Watch the play. If Gesicki doesn't lower his head, Bakers going to hit him in the chest or pad which is textbook.

That's not leading with your head that's running and then getting ready to hit a much bigger player in the chest.

I actually can't find a site anywhere that doesn't think that was a bad call. Even the first dolphin fan site I found thought it was a bad call. Gesicki lowered his head and they hit helmets. Budda doesn't lower his helmet he's running like that the last several feet and as someone else said he turns his head so he can deliver the blow with the shoulder, but Gesicki lowered HIS head.

Again doesn't cost us the game but I do think the NFL should review calls like this because that is NOT a penalty.

i’ve watch the play many times and it doesn’t change the fact that his head is parallel to the ground and he’s leading with it nothings going to change that Giseki is irelevant.... does he lower it? absolutely he does but Buddha is still without question lowering his head and leading with the crown. You can lead with a crown of your head and hit somebody in the chest and still be an illegal call....

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Shane -- Budda is 5'10" how else is he supposed to tackle someone 50 lbs heavier? It is common to tackle someone much bigger by the waist or the legs. Budda was in the process of making a solid form tackle, then the guy dropped his head -- did you really feel Budda caused that?

 

[Russ Smith]

It's a GIF you can click on it to stop it. If you do that you'll see As Baker gets to the 35 yard line he's turning so his right shoulder is ahead of his helmet, he's leading with the shoulder not the helmet but because Gesicki ducks HIS head the helmets collide.

If I could figure out how to screen shot it I would do it better but this is the best I can do. and yes I have a million tabs open on my chrome!

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

Lol ya umm ok.... his head goes toward the ground and leads with it.... crown first


i’ve watch the play many times and it doesn’t change the fact that his head is parallel to the ground and he’s leading with it nothings going to change that Giseki is irelevant.... does he lower it? absolutely he does but Buddha is still without question lowering his head and leading with the crown. You can lead with a crown of your head and hit somebody in the chest and still be an illegal call....

The rule is that you can’t lead with the crown of your helmet not that you can’t lower your head. He lowered himself to go for the midsection of the player and turned his head to hit him with his right shoulder. Not his fault that the TE lowered his head a solid 2 feet to cause helmet to helmet contact.

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

Not even arguable he 100% lead with his head. He’s does it often there was a game earlier in the year where he should have been called For it too the commentators talked about it for like 2 minutes and showed replays wondering why it wasn’t called... can’t recall the game. Sorry Russ not defendable he clearly lowers his head and comes in for the boom. Gesicki lowers it too but he is the protected offensive player and does it in reaction to Buddha coming at him.

If Giseki doesnt lower his head doesnt Buddas head go across his stomach and Budda makes most the contact with his shoulder?

this sounds like a continuation of your "Buddda sucks" take.... move on dude. He's a stud and on your favorite team...

figure it out, lol

 

[FB94]

That call was 100% wrong. Receiver lowers his head if he doesn’t he gets hit in the shoulder area. Pathetic call

 

[BritCard]

Not even arguable he 100% lead with his head. He’s does it often there was a game earlier in the year where he should have been called For it too the commentators talked about it for like 2 minutes and showed replays wondering why it wasn’t called... can’t recall the game. Sorry Russ not defendable he clearly lowers his head and comes in for the boom. Gesicki lowers it too but he is the protected offensive player and does it in reaction to Buddha coming at him.

He's going in with his shoulder like he always does. Gesicki lowers his head into his helmet.

 

[wit3card]

This call was bad and the non call later when Kyler Murray doesn't get the call that was really a helmet to helmet, was even worse.

Bad officiating and more calls were against us then in favor. Overall such bad called games happen once or twice a year to us. I rarly see it happen against Seahawks or Patriots or KC ... that is the advantage that you have to be a nation wide darling. And at the moment our D wasn't good enough to overcome it.

I hope this was it for this year.

 

[Russ Smith]

This call was bad and the non call later when Kyler Murray doesn't get the call that was really a helmet to helmet, was even worse.

Bad officiating and more calls were against us then in favor. Overall such bad called games happen once or twice a year to us. I rarly see it happen against Seahawks or Patriots or KC ... that is the advantage that you have to be a nation wide darling. And at the moment our D wasn't good enough to overcome it.

I hope this was it for this year.

I actually didn't mind the one with Kyler. I mean I hate to see him get hit that hard but I don't htink that was a penalty. He didn't really slide he dropped his shoulder to try and get the marker and the guy hit him. If there was helmet to helmet I think it was both guys not one guy or the other so I'm ok with that.

Someone in another thread commented Kyler wasn't shying away from contact, I get that play he needed the first down. In general I WANT Kyler to shy away from contact. I want him as our QB for MANY years to come.

 

[Bkbobo]

I wonder if that penalty got in Buddha's head and that why he whiff on that Tua play.

 

[dscher]

Eh. Real time these things just happen. I don't fault either.

 

[BigRedRage]

Why didn't budda take off his head before the tackle so he could lead with his shoulders?

 

[GimmedaBall]

I wonder if that penalty got in Buddha's head and that why he whiff on that Tua play.

Buddha twisted himself into a pretzel to avoid Tua to protect KM. If one of our D players whacks the opposing QB, the penalty will be the least of our worries. The opposing D will be obligated to whack KM in tit-for-tat.

 

[wit3card]

I actually didn't mind the one with Kyler. I mean I hate to see him get hit that hard but I don't htink that was a penalty. He didn't really slide he dropped his shoulder to try and get the marker and the guy hit him. If there was helmet to helmet I think it was both guys not one guy or the other so I'm ok with that.

Someone in another thread commented Kyler wasn't shying away from contact, I get that play he needed the first down. In general I WANT Kyler to shy away from contact. I want him as our QB for MANY years to come.

A TE 6'4 that lowers his helmet is not doing the same? That is the point. You have a QB that is 5'10 that lowers his shoulder against a 6'2 guy that lowers his helmet and hits with his helmet the QB it doesn't get more obvious that the first one never was a call and the second one should have been one if you call anything alike.

This was a bad onsided called game, end of story. We are Cardinals fans, we lost a SB because of a bad Call. This kind of things happen and you get up and focus on the next game. But to say otherwise is assine.

 

[Russ Smith]

A TE 6'4 that lowers his helmet is not doing the same? That is the point. You have a QB that is 5'10 that lowers his shoulder against a 6'2 guy that lowers his helmet and hits with his helmet the QB it doesn't get more obvious that the first one never was a call and the second one should have been one if you call anything alike.

This was a bad onsided called game, end of story. We are Cardinals fans, we lost a SB because of a bad Call. This kind of things happen and you get up and focus on the next game. But to say otherwise is assine.

I'd have to see a replay of the other one. I watched it on computer so smaller screen but my impression was that both guys were essentially moving forward I didn't get the impression it was a lead with the head on that one but I only saw it once.

I see the point if the one on Baker was a penalty so was the other one, but as I said I don't think the one on Baker was a penalty I thought it was a bad call.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Why didn't budda take off his head before the tackle so he could lead with his shoulders?

Doesn't he realize that the proper technique is to remove your head and hold it in your left hand before you hit someone? What are these coaches teaching these guys?..

 

[AZfaninMN]

Doesn't he realize that the proper technique is to remove your head and hold it in your left hand before you hit someone? What are these coaches teaching these guys?..

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With Halloween being so recent, my mind instantly thought of the headless horseman. Then I thought about it and Budda plays like a man who is looking to take a head or 2 flying around