ND vs Stanford!

[KingofCards]

Touchdown! 7-0 in less than a minute.

Fiesta Bowl here they come.

I think I am going to go this time.

 

[PHXviaDTW]

It won't happen, but I would like to see Notre Dame and Penn State in the Fiesta.

 

[KingofCards]

Now it is tied. 14-14.


Karma baby, karma. Bites me everytime.

 

[arthurracoon]

Close game.

That spike at the end was just stupid.

 

[Brian]

I still don't see how folks can say that Brady Quinn doesn't have an NFL future or that he is a "product of the sytem".

I guess because he doesn't pull a Michael Vick and pass for 20 yards and run for 250 means he sucks.

Next to Leinart, Quinn is the most NFL ready QB in college right now.

and you are right Arthur, that spike was pure stupidity on the Stanford QB's part.

 

[arthurracoon]

and you are right Arthur, that spike was pure stupidity on the Stanford QB's part.

especially since they had time to think about it. there was the intentional grounding flag on that play, so the clock had stopped for that amount of time.

 

[Russ Smith]

OK I'll be the bad guy, if Notre Dame gets the BCS bid over Oregon it'll be strictly politics and "name recognition". Oregon is 10-1, ND is 9-2. ND has beaten THREE teams all year with winning records. Notre Dame lost a tough game to USC in their own stadium but everyone forgets their other loss, in OT to Michigan State who finished EIGHTH in the Big 10 2-6 in conference 5-6 overall.

Oregon doesn't have a monster schedule either but they beat Fresno State (tough game against USC 2 weeks ago) and while yes they were blown out by USC, they beat Stanford by 24 points when Stanford was healthy. Stanford has been playing without their best Wr, Evan Moore, for weeks now, and ND got them without Moore, and with Bradford playing on a bum ankle.



Also, if you taped the game last night watch the play BEFORE the long pass to Stovall that puts ND in position to score the game winner. Quinn rolls out right and the LDE for Stanford has a bead on him until not one but TWO ND lineman hold. THe first guy grabs him, he gets away, so the 2nd guy tackles him. If you watch the game you'll see the camera go on Walt Harris after that play as he's just screaming at the refs, you can read his lips yelling "what does it take to get a holding call?" Next play is the big jump ball to Stovall.

Quinn didn't impress me, he's good, throws a nice ball, has size, can run, but he doesn't see the field and doesn't read defenses. Seems like most of the big plays were called plays where he just threw it up and let the WR get it, he's not finding 2nd and 3rd guys. Both those picks were simply he didn't read the defense and didn't know Stanford was in a zone and threw the ball right to a defender he never saw, you do do that in the NFL you throw 20+ picks. He did it two other times I saw but got lucky the throw was off line and not picked. Definitly talented but I don't think he's a first round pick, he's got a lot to learn he looks great with Weis' playcalling though.

 

[Brian]

Russ, with all due respect, you don't throw for over 3,600 yards with 32 TD's to only 7 interceptions and become Notre Dames all time leading passer, and the only passer in Notre Dame history to pass for 3,000 in a season without being able to see the field or know how to read defenses.

Honestly, you have GOT to be able to see this kids upside. He does throw jump balls to Stovall ocassionally but he shows his arm strength with some of the bullets he throws to Jeff Samardzija.

Remember, he is only 21 years old.

Edit: Please do not compare Oregon's schedule to Notre Dame's. Not even close.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ, with all due respect, you don't throw for over 3,600 yards with 32 TD's to only 7 interceptions and become Notre Dames all time leading passer, and the only passer in Notre Dame history to pass for 3,000 in a season without being able to see the field or know how to read defenses.

Honestly, you have GOT to be able to see this kids upside. He does throw jump balls to Stovall ocassionally but he shows his arm strength with some of the bullets he throws to Jeff Samardzija.

Remember, he is only 21 years old.

Edit: Please do not compare Oregon's schedule to Notre Dame's. Not even close.

You're right, ND has played a weaker schedule. ND opponents 52-50, Oregon opponents 50-43. Virtually every computer program I find online says Oregon's schedule is in the 50-55 range, ND's closer to 70th. The only one I found that had ND rated tougher than Oregon was by some guy who happens to work at Notre Dame. Sure that's a coincidence.

ND has played fewer weak teams, but they've played fewer good teams too. 3 teams on their schedule are bowl bound, Oregon has played 4 bowl bound teams.

FWIW Walt Harris said he thinks Oregon is the better team admittedly he has a conference bias reason to want Oregon to go ahead of ND.

 

[Russ Smith]

My thing on Quinn is he's just running the play Weis calls and hitting the open WR. When the open WR isn't there, he's not even close to Leinart at finding the next guy his tendency is to just throw the ball up and let them outjump the defense. Both those picks were simply him not realizing stanford, a notorious zone team, was playing zone.

Im' not saying he can't be a good NFL QB, just that he won't be one early in his career, he'll throw a ton of picks he throws way too many balls into coverage.

 

[ajcardfan]

Notre Dame is in the BCS, there is no doubt about it. The decision is between Oregon and Ohio St. I think both have good arguments to be invited over the Irish. But they cannot compete with the prestige of Notre Dame. It'll be interesting to see whether the BCS feels they owe the PAC 10 one for last year or not.

 

[Russ Smith]

Notre Dame is in the BCS, there is no doubt about it. The decision is between Oregon and Ohio St. I think both have good arguments to be invited over the Irish. But they cannot compete with the prestige of Notre Dame. It'll be interesting to see whether the BCS feels they owe the PAC 10 one for last year or not.

That's my point though. Even the BCS standings have Oregon 7th and ND 8th, and Ohio State is 6th, but ND has apparently already been guaranteed a berth. They were talking about it throughout the Stanford game if ND won they would gain 14.5 million from the BCS bowl bid.

Since ND is a good bet to draw and generate money, they're a virtual lock for the Fiesta Bowl. Right now they're probably going to play either Oregon or Ohio State and the odds are it'll be Ohio State since they're 6th and Oregon 7th in the BCS standings, and again since they figure to draw better. Oregon won't get either the Sugar or orange bid so they're going to be locked out of a top 4 bowl bid even though they're ranked in the top 8 in the BCS.

The BCS poll has to do with football rankings, the bowl selections have to do with market appeal and money.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Russ, you need to stop using facts to prove your point.