Nelson article... second workout for Phoenix

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He says that Nelson has been called for another workout for the Phoenix Suns. However I suspect that they want to see Nelson mostly because they want a good competitor for Ben Gordon to go against in his workout. Joe

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2004/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=1822485

Jameer's rep grew into first round

By Andy Katz
ESPN.com

Phoenix wants Jameer Nelson back for a second workout Friday. While a return to the desert may not seem like big news during the days leading up to next week's NBA draft, it says all you need to know about the past 12 months of Nelson's life.


A year ago, Nelson struggled to get a team in the first round -- let alone any team in the lottery -- interested in seeing him work him out twice.


But Nelson is worth a second look these days. And that's what four years of college experience, a player of the year award, a 27-0 regular-season record, and an Elite Eight appearance at Saint Joseph's have done for Nelson.


Nelson didn't grow an inch while doing all the above. He's still a bit undersized for the NBA, standing just under 6-foot-1 in his sneakers. And he didn't get any stronger, although the 199-pounder's strength was never a concern.


He might have become a better overall 3-point and free throw shooter, but only by a few percentage points.


Last week he was in Chicago not to impress scouts with his shooting, dribbling or court vision. He was in town to talk, conducting interviews with the media and going through the to physical testing to which all NBA first-round prospects are subject over the weekend.


Nelson didn't need to pick up a basketball or play in games like he did a year ago. He was already on every team's draft radar.


Nelson is the reason that throwing a blanket statement that rising seniors run the risk of ruining their draft status by going back to school is bunk.



Jameer Nelson
I knew I was going to be in the NBA when I was here last year. I knew it by playing here. But the difference was I wasn't in the lottery or in the teens in the first round. ”
— Jameer Nelson


It's simply not true.


Nelson improved his draft stock immeasurably by wearing "Saint Joseph's" across his chest for another season. And he didn't have to change his game on Hawk Hill or wear platform shoes in Chicago.


"This is really fun to be here, just relaxed, talking to the media and not having to play," Nelson said last week, smiling and looking completely at ease in a banquet room at the Wyndham Hotel in Chicago.


"Last year here was a roller coaster ride. One day I was up, one day I was down. It's crazy and very hard on a young person to make a decision like that."


Nelson won't be the first point guard taken June 24, but he could go second behind high school senior Shaun Livingston. More likely, he'll be the fourth guard chosen in the draft, behind Connecticut junior combo guard Ben Gordon and Wisconsin junior point guard Devin Harris.


Phoenix, which picks seventh, obviously thinks highly enough of Nelson to bring him in for a second workout. The Suns want him to match up against Gordon in a workout.


"We're trying to do as much analysis as possible," Suns general manager Bryan Colangelo said Tuesday. "We want to stack him up against top competitors. Is seven too high for Jameer, is 10 or 11? We may trade down, there's a lot that could occur.


"Nothing is out of the question," Colangelo added.


Nelson has been about as busy as any first-round prospect the past three weeks, working out for Portland (13, 23), Golden State (11), L.A. Clippers (2), Phoenix (7), Utah (14, 16, 21), Cleveland (10), Toronto (8), Charlotte (4) and Philadelphia (9) -- before heading to Chicago last Friday.


He's still got workouts scheduled with Atlanta (6, 17) on Wednesday, Miami (19) on Thursday, Phoenix on Friday, Washington (5) on Monday and New Orleans (18) on Tuesday.


The Clippers won't take Nelson at No. 2. But L.A. could trade down with Atlanta and select Nelson at 17. Charlotte could be involved in a trade. So, Nelson will be in New York next Wednesday for interviews with the media and be in the "green room" on draft night.


"Every team needs a point guard, whether it's a starter, second or third string," Nelson said. "Everyone loves to knock my height. When I went to Charlotte, they measured me at 5-11, even though they didn't think I was. And then they told me I played like I was 6-1 or 6-2. That gave me even more confidence."


Nelson hasn't shied away from competition. He didn't mind when the Clippers, Portland and Utah put high school senior Sebastian Telfair against him, even though Nelson had more to lose going against Telfair. That's why he would relish the chance to go against Livingston, Gordon or Harris in a workout. It looks like he'll get a chance against Gordon.


"I knew I was going to be in the NBA when I was here last year," Nelson said. "I knew it by playing here. But the difference was I wasn't in the lottery or in the teens in the first round. I was maybe in the first round, but probably in the 30s (in the second)."


Winning national player of the year honors in college gives Nelson instant name recognition. That's something he didn't have a year ago. But his game is essentially the same. He's still a winner, a tough on the ball defender and a catalyst every time he's on the court.


He's more mature at 22, and ready to contribute next season. He knows he's a steal for anyone who takes him.


Oh, and Nelson can't wait to prove anyone who doubted him wrong ... again.


Andy Katz is a senior writer at ESPN.com.
 

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Nelson is a reach at #7 but makes sense mid round. Boston is rumored to be trying to trade up. This kind of deal would only work after the fact but looks feasible. We should not necessarily assume the Suns are drafting for themselves.
 

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Point Guard

If bringing in these point guards by the Suns is not a smokescreen, it leads me to believe that the Suns feel strongly that Vujanic is not coming over this year.
 

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corrado said:
If bringing in these point guards by the Suns is not a smokescreen, it leads me to believe that the Suns feel strongly that Vujanic is not coming over this year.

That's what Chad Ford has reported, although they may decide to go for a veteran instead.
 
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Chad Ford and others seemed to mention Vujanic's availability whichever way it suits their argument. I doubt he has any idea.

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If the Suns couldn't move Eisley with #7 (which is very likely IMO) I would be very happy with Gordon.

I seriously think that he may easily become a star. If Gordon won't be there at #7 (again, which is very likely IMO, moreover I do think that CHA will take him) the Suns should pick a player.

I don't care that #7 is too high for Luke Jackson or Kris Humphries. Take either of them, they will become fine NBA players and let other teams to improve their prospects with huge "upside".
 

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Joe Mama you've seen Jameer Nelson a few games I believe? I only have 1 on tape and didn't really watch much but can Nelson pressure full court ala a younger Lindsey Hunter? I've always liked Hunter's defense. Is Nelson much of an athlete? I could watch the game (actually I might have 2 games) but I had planned on watching a Suns game, I'd like to hear your opinion first possibly - I doubt Nelson is worth #7 but trading down is another option.


I'd like to see Luke Jackson's Draft combine workout #'s and how good of an athlete he stacks up there but I might add Jackson to my list as well - I watched a game a few weeks back and he really impressed. I'd like Suns to keep a pick this year, not everyone agrees on prospects but IMO there are some quality players in this years Draft.
 

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Nelson is just coming in to go against Gordon, I do not think they will draft him.

If the suns move down, I think there is a good chance they would draft Jackson.
In one of the speed drills he came out better than the guards.
The suns may think he is the 2nd coming of Dan Majerle.

:)
 
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Hcsilla, the Phoenix Suns are not going to be able to dump Howard Eiseley for the #7 draft pick. If 2004-05 was the last season on this contract it would be a possibility. Nobody's going to take him for two years though.

I've seen Nelson play 3-4 times. He's very strong. Even though he doesn't have the greatest lateral speed he seemed like an above-average one-on-one defender. Actually, the comparisons to Damon Staudamire are very close. He's probably an inch taller than Staudamire however. They won't take him at #7, but if they trade down he wouldn't be a bad pick.

At point guard, Ben Gordon is still my favorite so far. I think he's going to be a very good NBA player.

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Joe Mama said:
Hcsilla, the Phoenix Suns are not going to be able to dump Howard Eiseley for the #7 draft pick. If 2004-05 was the last season on this contract it would be a possibility. Nobody's going to take him for two years though.

Joe Mama

Maybe a team would send the Suns a considerably better vet with a contract equal to Eisley' if we give them the #7.

That way the Suns get a better player without using cap space.

There's gotta be a player that could help the Suns out but has an ugly contract and is not useful to his present team for one reason or another.

Maybe a good player that has a 4 year contract that's a little inflated for his value.
 

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Maybe a good player that has a 4 year contract that's a little inflated for his value.

Stackhouse?
 

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Perhaps Vujanic is a trading piece to help move White or Eisley. There are so many options. Perhaps the Bobcats want Vujanic or he can be moved elsewhere in another trade.

I do think the Suns moving down in the draft is becoming more and more likely unless a player like Gordon is their man (providing he's available).
 

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I'd guess that Vujanic has about the same trade value as Jacobsen -- very close to zero. He's already "on" his second NBA team, and until there is an assurance that he's actually going to play in the league, I can't see anyone else getting too excited about him.
 

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Original by elindholm

I'd guess that Vujanic has about the same trade value as Jacobsen -- very close to zero. He's already "on" his second NBA team, and until there is an assurance that he's actually going to play in the league, I can't see anyone else getting too excited about him.

I suppose your right abouy Vujanic unless another team has already expressed an earlier interest in him (or Vujanic having expressed an interest in playing for another team).

However, I must admit the above is not a likely scenario. I just wish the Suns would give us a clue as to how the "best point guard in Europe" label has changed to no mention.
 

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Joe Mama said:
Hcsilla, the Phoenix Suns are not going to be able to dump Howard Eiseley for the #7 draft pick. If 2004-05 was the last season on this contract it would be a possibility. Nobody's going to take him for two years though.

I've seen Nelson play 3-4 times. He's very strong. Even though he doesn't have the greatest lateral speed he seemed like an above-average one-on-one defender. Actually, the comparisons to Damon Staudamire are very close.

Joe Mama

I disagree. I'm not sure at all that Nelson will be close Stoudamire's pro level.

Stoudamire was much more talented. A better shooter, distributor, one-on-one player and quicker. Nelson is bigger but so much about his superior abilities comparing to Stoudamire.

Nelson reminded me rather of Travis Best.
 

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Joe Mama said:
Hcsilla, the Phoenix Suns are not going to be able to dump Howard Eiseley for the #7 draft pick. If 2004-05 was the last season on this contract it would be a possibility. Nobody's going to take him for two years though.

That sounds like you would disagree with me although I said the same.
 

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No one knows what the "value" of a #7 is. Is it worth two picks? Is it worth a veteran and pick? Is it worth $10 million in cash?

We won't know until someone makes an offer. If the Bobcats think it is worth $10 million, then they will do the deal. If not, they don't.

It has been widely rumored that the Bobcats like Childress AND Livingston. For $10 million they can get both. I'm not holding my breath, but it is hard to know how a team thinks if they are not dealing with the cap.
 
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George O'Brien said:
No one knows what the "value" of a #7 is. Is it worth two picks? Is it worth a veteran and pick? Is it worth $10 million in cash?

We won't know until someone makes an offer. If the Bobcats think it is worth $10 million, then they will do the deal. If not, they don't.

It has been widely rumored that the Bobcats like Childress AND Livingston. For $10 million they can get both. I'm not holding my breath, but it is hard to know how a team thinks if they are not dealing with the cap.

I'm sorry. I don't think there's any way that any team outside of Dallas, New York, or possibly Portland would eat $10 million for the #7 draft pick. Yes, these players make a ton of money, but that's a lot of cash to throw away for a draft pick.

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Joe Mama said:
I'm sorry. I don't think there's any way that any team outside of Dallas, New York, or possibly Portland would eat $10 million for the #7 draft pick. Yes, these players make a ton of money, but that's a lot of cash to throw away for a draft pick.

Joe Mama

You're probably right, but realistically there is not much history to go on. The opportunity to BUY a lottery pick without cap hit is completely unprecidented. Still, I'm not expecting it.
 
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