New Offensive Philosophy

[cardinalsfan]

Was looking through several links to find what Tom Moore's philosophy is. Came away very optimistic and think this is exactly what we need. Simple, but perfect it.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700007714/Tom-Moore-has-helped-Peyton-Manning-Mitchell-says.html?pg=all

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/former-steelers-coach-moore-guiding-colts-offense-231766/

http://tonydemeo.com/interviews/question-and-answer-with-tom-moore/

http://www.midwayillustrated.com/2010-archives/june/bears-offense-compared-to-colts-offense.html

 

[cardpa]

His connection to other great offensive minds is utterly amazing. Makes me believe that this offense is going to make drastic improvements this season. If Bowles can just keep the defense at its present level then the Cardinals may very well become a team that has to be reckoned with. Get this offense to put up 20-24 points a game and this team could very well be on the winning side of the scoreboard.

 

[WildBB]

Perhaps Moore's biggest strength is how he narrows his focus in each week's preparation. Rather than adding confusion to the offense by continually inserting new plays, he's more concerned with his offense perfecting his core plays.

"We always went into a game with a very good understanding of what it was we wanted to do," Mitchell said. "We never called plays that we were not confident in executing."

The biggest advantage Manning has, Mitchell said, is the continuity he's been fortunate to experience his entire NFL career. He's been in a stable system with the same offensive coordinator for all 12 years, and hasn't had to change or adjust, only perfect what he was taught.

Nice. We're getting better as we speak. It doesn't have to be overly complicated. Just executed correctly.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Nice. We're getting better as we speak. It doesn't have to be overly complicated. Just executed correctly.

I agree. And the least amount of mistakes as possible. Penalties stop drives and momentum.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

I like the fact that he knows sacks can kill the offense. Hopefully his infleunce will help improve the o-line.

 

[vinnymac]

Wow! Cardinals hired Tom Moore. Bidwill does want win games. What a big relief.

 

[Colts_fan123]

Hey guys, Colts fan here. First off, I'd like to say congratulations on the hire. If you guys are happy with it, I'm happy for you.

I just want to warn you, however, that Arians is a very stubborn coach and a lot of us Colts fans were quietly glad to see him leave. He did an excellent job filling in for Chuck when he was out, and deserves to be commending for his contributions. Many Colts fans feel that he's actually a better head coach than he is a OC. The thing that would have me worried if I'm a Cards fan is his unwillingness to relinquish play-calling duties.

Even going back to his days in Pittsburgh, his tendencies are very predictable. He runs out of heavy formations while passing mostly out of spread. Very few runs out of shotgun and he rarely utilizes the TE's as passing threats in heavy personnel. The scheme itself is fine, but his play-calling is at times down right horrible. He calls long developing pass plays, regardless of the personnel he has around him. Your O-line is about as bad as ours was last year, and if he's planning on rolling out that same gameplan week-in and week-out with you guys.... good luck.

Andrew made him look a lot better than he really was. I don't know how many huge plays he made out of botched calls that were just extended by Andrew leaving the pocket or shaking off defenders hanging on him. If you guys don't have a Big Ben/Luck type to do that, your QB is going to get killed, plain and simple.

Hopefully Tom Moore will serve as a steadying force for Arians and temper his over-zealousness with the vertical passing game because if not, expect a high yardage, low point total offense (IF you have a decent QB.) The concept of a short, quick striking passing attack is completely foreign to him, and it's what got him ran out of Pittsburgh in the first place. I wasn't excited when we hired him last off-season, and it's a blessing (to me) that things worked out the way they did. Best of luck to you all. I hope it works out, but I, for one, am not the least bit sad to see him leave.




PS,

Watch out for 5-wide on 3rd and short, and plenty of bubble screens that get tackled behind the line of scrimmage!

 

[Dr. Jones]

Simply put..... That is why I am scared.

We will not find a QB good enough to make his "no system" work.

Time will tell.

 

[cardinalsfan]

Hey guys, Colts fan here. First off, I'd like to say congratulations on the hire. If you guys are happy with it, I'm happy for you.

I just want to warn you, however, that Arians is a very stubborn coach and a lot of us Colts fans were quietly glad to see him leave. He did an excellent job filling in for Chuck when he was out, and deserves to be commending for his contributions. Many Colts fans feel that he's actually a better head coach than he is a OC. The thing that would have me worried if I'm a Cards fan is his unwillingness to relinquish play-calling duties.

Even going back to his days in Pittsburgh, his tendencies are very predictable. He runs out of heavy formations while passing mostly out of spread. Very few runs out of shotgun and he rarely utilizes the TE's as passing threats in heavy personnel. The scheme itself is fine, but his play-calling is at times down right horrible. He calls long developing pass plays, regardless of the personnel he has around him. Your O-line is about as bad as ours was last year, and if he's planning on rolling out that same gameplan week-in and week-out with you guys.... good luck.

Andrew made him look a lot better than he really was. I don't know how many huge plays he made out of botched calls that were just extended by Andrew leaving the pocket or shaking off defenders hanging on him. If you guys don't have a Big Ben/Luck type to do that, your QB is going to get killed, plain and simple.

Hopefully Tom Moore will serve as a steadying force for Arians and temper his over-zealousness with the vertical passing game because if not, expect a high yardage, low point total offense (IF you have a decent QB.) The concept of a short, quick striking passing attack is completely foreign to him, and it's what got him ran out of Pittsburgh in the first place. I wasn't excited when we hired him last off-season, and it's a blessing (to me) that things worked out the way they did. Best of luck to you all. I hope it works out, but I, for one, am not the least bit sad to see him leave.




PS,

Watch out for 5-wide on 3rd and short, and plenty of bubble screens that get tackled behind the line of scrimmage!

I think play calling is less to do about the coach and more to do with the players executing. Hopefully by learning the basics and repeating over and over the cards will improve (hard not to improve from last year).

 

[JeffGollin]

I think play calling is less to do about the coach and more to do with the players executing. Hopefully by learning the basics and repeating over and over the cards will improve (hard not to improve from last year).

One reason why I'm less concerned about Drake (& some of the negative comments coming out of Chicago) because of Moore's early experience as a receivers coach. What I anticipate is an energetic young group of assistants backed up and guided by an extremely strong and wise group of senior mentors.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

Hey guys, Colts fan here. First off, I'd like to say congratulations on the hire. If you guys are happy with it, I'm happy for you.

I just want to warn you, however, that Arians is a very stubborn coach and a lot of us Colts fans were quietly glad to see him leave. He did an excellent job filling in for Chuck when he was out, and deserves to be commending for his contributions. Many Colts fans feel that he's actually a better head coach than he is a OC. The thing that would have me worried if I'm a Cards fan is his unwillingness to relinquish play-calling duties.

Even going back to his days in Pittsburgh, his tendencies are very predictable. He runs out of heavy formations while passing mostly out of spread. Very few runs out of shotgun and he rarely utilizes the TE's as passing threats in heavy personnel. The scheme itself is fine, but his play-calling is at times down right horrible. He calls long developing pass plays, regardless of the personnel he has around him. Your O-line is about as bad as ours was last year, and if he's planning on rolling out that same gameplan week-in and week-out with you guys.... good luck.

Andrew made him look a lot better than he really was. I don't know how many huge plays he made out of botched calls that were just extended by Andrew leaving the pocket or shaking off defenders hanging on him. If you guys don't have a Big Ben/Luck type to do that, your QB is going to get killed, plain and simple.

Hopefully Tom Moore will serve as a steadying force for Arians and temper his over-zealousness with the vertical passing game because if not, expect a high yardage, low point total offense (IF you have a decent QB.) The concept of a short, quick striking passing attack is completely foreign to him, and it's what got him ran out of Pittsburgh in the first place. I wasn't excited when we hired him last off-season, and it's a blessing (to me) that things worked out the way they did. Best of luck to you all. I hope it works out, but I, for one, am not the least bit sad to see him leave.




PS,

Watch out for 5-wide on 3rd and short, and plenty of bubble screens that get tackled behind the line of scrimmage!

Thanks for pooping in my oatmeal.....have a nice day.

 

[Colts_fan123]

I think play calling is less to do about the coach and more to do with the players executing. Hopefully by learning the basics and repeating over and over the cards will improve (hard not to improve from last year).

But it's the job of the coach to build a gameplan that doesn't expose his players weaknesses, right? If you guys don't improve your O-line significantly, Arians scheme is going to be very turnover proned, and more importantly, it's going to get your QB injured. It's a blessing Luck didn't get hurt, as he was the most hit QB in the league this past season. All of Arians pass plays, the short route is the last read. You will find yourselves in plenty of 3rd and longs because of the amount of shots down field he likes to take. He wastes far too many downs for my taste, and that's why we were top 10 in yardage but only 18th in points per game this year. You can even go back and look at his offense's numbers in Pittsburgh and they're pretty much on par with that.

I hope you're right though. Maybe it was just the players. Arians stubbornness will still become a problem, however. He is very much in the mold of Mike Martz, in that he's more concerned with doing things his way than he is with doing what's best for the team. Expect comments about how he's "not a west coast guy..." and how he, and I quote, "...leaves the catching to the receivers and the rushing to the running backs." Donald Brown and Vick Ballard only combined for 26 catches out of the backfield this year. Don't expect a lot of dumpoffs or screens built into the gameplan. The only screen you will see is the bubble screen which is usually telegraphed by a receiver motioning pre-snap to either block or be the recipient of the screen pass.

Anyways, I've rambled enough. As you can probably tell, I'm thrilled to see the guy gone, personally

Thanks for pooping in my oatmeal.....have a nice day.

Sorry, man. Just trying to give you all fair warning on what to expect, is all

 

[football karma]

Hey guys, Colts fan here. First off, I'd like to say congratulations on the hire. If you guys are happy with it, I'm happy for you.

I just want to warn you, however, that Arians is a very stubborn coach and a lot of us Colts fans were quietly glad to see him leave. He did an excellent job filling in for Chuck when he was out, and deserves to be commending for his contributions. Many Colts fans feel that he's actually a better head coach than he is a OC. The thing that would have me worried if I'm a Cards fan is his unwillingness to relinquish play-calling duties.

Even going back to his days in Pittsburgh, his tendencies are very predictable. He runs out of heavy formations while passing mostly out of spread. Very few runs out of shotgun and he rarely utilizes the TE's as passing threats in heavy personnel. The scheme itself is fine, but his play-calling is at times down right horrible. He calls long developing pass plays, regardless of the personnel he has around him. Your O-line is about as bad as ours was last year, and if he's planning on rolling out that same gameplan week-in and week-out with you guys.... good luck.

Andrew made him look a lot better than he really was. I don't know how many huge plays he made out of botched calls that were just extended by Andrew leaving the pocket or shaking off defenders hanging on him. If you guys don't have a Big Ben/Luck type to do that, your QB is going to get killed, plain and simple.

Hopefully Tom Moore will serve as a steadying force for Arians and temper his over-zealousness with the vertical passing game because if not, expect a high yardage, low point total offense (IF you have a decent QB.) The concept of a short, quick striking passing attack is completely foreign to him, and it's what got him ran out of Pittsburgh in the first place. I wasn't excited when we hired him last off-season, and it's a blessing (to me) that things worked out the way they did. Best of luck to you all. I hope it works out, but I, for one, am not the least bit sad to see him leave.




PS,

Watch out for 5-wide on 3rd and short, and plenty of bubble screens that get tackled behind the line of scrimmage!

classic fan-dom

goes from 2-14 to the playoffs, and complains about the play calling


other than complaining about officiating, its the most predictable fan complaint there is

 

[Colts_fan123]

classic fan-dom

goes from 2-14 to the playoffs, and complains about the play calling


other than complaining about officiating, its the most predictable fan complaint there is

Don't listen to me. You'll soon find out yourselves. Trust me

 

[jf-08]

Colts_fan123 - We know that the Cards line is perhaps the worst in football. Hopefully, we can draft Warmack and "coach up" some of our young linemen so that it won't be a train-wreck this upcoming season.

With Tom Moore coming to the team, I am less uneasy about our offensive philosophy. Hopefully, the O will mold itself after Moore's insight rather than BA's strategy. When BA was hired, I was really concerned. Now with Moore on the team as well, hopefully, we can have an efficient offense without getting our QB killed.

Thanks for the insight to this past year and your point of view.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Colts_fan123 - We know that the Cards line is perhaps the worst in football. Hopefully, we can draft Warmack and "coach up" some of our young linemen so that it won't be a train-wreck this upcoming season.

With Tom Moore coming to the team, I am less uneasy about our offensive philosophy. Hopefully, the O will mold itself after Moore's insight rather than BA's strategy. When BA was hired, I was really concerned. Now with Moore on the team as well, hopefully, we can have an efficient offense without getting our QB killed.

Thanks for the insight to this past year and your point of view.

Good post. I agree!

 

[Colts_fan123]

Colts_fan123 - We know that the Cards line is perhaps the worst in football. Hopefully, we can draft Warmack and "coach up" some of our young linemen so that it won't be a train-wreck this upcoming season.

With Tom Moore coming to the team, I am less uneasy about our offensive philosophy. Hopefully, the O will mold itself after Moore's insight rather than BA's strategy. When BA was hired, I was really concerned. Now with Moore on the team as well, hopefully, we can have an efficient offense without getting our QB killed.

Thanks for the insight to this past year and your point of view.

No prob. Like I said, you guys should be thrilled with the Moore hire. He is the true offensive guru on your staff. I hope, like you said, that the offense is influenced to a greater degree by him than it is Arians.

Even though we lost 9-24 to the Ravens in the playoffs, I felt that was the best play calling of the year on offense. That also happened to be when Arians was out because he was sick and Clyde Christensen took over play calling duties. We moved the ball well but drops killed us in that game (plus, our corners suck outside of Davis)

 

[D-Dogg]

Simply put..... That is why I am scared.

We will not find a QB good enough to make his "no system" work.

Time will tell.

Disagree.

No system means you do what works for your players, and not fit them into a "system" because you coach it.

By definition, you will be able to devise plays your QB can run, no matter how good/bad he is. Now, it might not be productive if your QB sucks, but he will be able to execute whatever he is given to execute.

 

[THESMEL]

we are going to pass like our hair is on fire- Hell I remember PM advocating for more runs under tom Moore- when they beat us a couple years ago- they ran the ball and pinned their ears and pass rushed us one dimensionally every down! destroyed us!

You can not out perform an NFL defense 60 minutes a game for 16 hours a year.

 

[Dr. Jones]

classic fan-dom

goes from 2-14 to the playoffs, and complains about the play calling


other than complaining about officiating, its the most predictable fan complaint there is

This is the classic "Who made Who" argument. Belicheck or Brady? Dungy/Moore or Peyton?

After seeing Whisenhunt fall into Warner's success and riding the lightning, I am more inclined to think that the players make the coach in most situation rather than the other way around.

 

[football karma]

Don't listen to me. You'll soon find out yourselves. Trust me

here is the problem I have with the comment:

the Colts started five rookies on offense, plus two castoffs in Winston Justice and Donnie Avery

yet they fielded a pretty competent offense ( top 10 in yards, average in points) that resulted in a playoff berth



and you would tell us that all that was in spite of the coaching

its simply not credible


I would suggest this ( and BTW -- all fans in the NFL do this): you take for granted the plays that worked (those are forgotten) , but remember every single play that did not.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Andrew Luck was the guaranteed #1 pick when he came out for the last few years. It is quite possible that he (and Big Ben before him) made it look better than it would have otherwise.

It is one of the reasons I had issue with the BA hire. Why did it take so long for him to get hired? Why did he finally come to us after all the other interviews? Now that we see his coaching selections, why did it take him 4 or 5 interviews to get an offer?

All of it seemed like a lucky circumstance rather than he has been consistently ready for the next level.

 

[vinnymac]

Classic Troll using K-Y.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Andrew Luck was the guaranteed #1 pick when he came out for the last few years. It is quite possible that he (and Big Ben before him) made it look better than it would have otherwise.

It is one of the reasons I had issue with the BA hire. Why did it take so long for him to get hired? Why did he finally come to us after all the other interviews? Now that we see his coaching selections, why did it take him 4 or 5 interviews to get an offer?

All of it seemed like a lucky circumstance rather than he has been consistently ready for the next level.

His team was in the playoffs and he was in hospital. This obviously played havoc with his schedule of meetings.

Bottom line: He was number two for the Chicago job!

 

[Colts_fan123]

here is the problem I have with the comment:

the Colts started five rookies on offense, plus two castoffs in Winston Justice and Donnie Avery

yet they fielded a pretty competent offense ( top 10 in yards, average in points) that resulted in a playoff berth



and you would tell us that all that was in spite of the coaching

its simply not credible


I would suggest this ( and BTW -- all fans in the NFL do this): you take for granted the plays that worked (those are forgotten) , but remember every single play that did not.

Not at all. I acknowledge that we had success under his scheme. I'm not ignoring the positives. However, I suggest that as a casual viewer of our team, you don't have the insight to understand the gripes with the offense many of us had.

Believe it or not, I WOULD say that we got as far as we did in spite of Arians play calling. Far too often in our wins, you're left saying, " wow, we shouldn't have won that game." So forgive me if I'm not willing to say Arians is an offensive guru because he was fortunate enough to have players who can make something happen when a play is broken. There were far more games this year where I would say, "He made a heck of a play" rather than, "That was a heck of a play call." We were incredibly fortunate in a number of areas.

The chief complaint about Arians offense is it doesn't protect the quarterback, and there are numbers to support that claim. Just because Luck didn't get hurt last year doesn't mean it was a smart idea to make him stay in the pocket and hold the ball until something came open behind non-existent pass protection. He doesn't care. He wants chunk plays and nothing else. It worked for us last year, overall. But long-term, I wouldn't want to run an offensive system like that. It's too feast or famine. But like I said, you'll find that out yourselves