New York - just plain dumb...

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New York - just plain dumb?

Are the Knicks still trying to get their hands on Antoine Walker? According to the New York Daily News, the Knicks offered rookie Michael Sweetney, Kurt Thomas, Charlie Ward and Frank Williams to Boston for Walker.

Is it just me or do new york really have no idea. Why do they insist on trading servicable players to get flawed products in return? If this comes off, they will have traded hilario and their new rookie for mcdyess (hah!) and now 'toine. Not to mention williams as well but he was a terrible draft pick anyway.
(did i mention nyk has no idea?)

In all likelihood at least hilario will be close to an all star in a couple of years and who knows how sweetney will turn out. I just don't buy their theory of 'never rebuilding,' and it would appear their recent results support this belief...

 

[Joe Mama]

The New York media is almost as bad as the New York Knicks management. I swear every year the media there feels the Knicks are going to get a major free-agent with their mid-level exception, going to trade a bunch of crappy, overpaid journeymen for an All-Star. Strangely this proposed trade seems lopsided in favor of the Celtics.

Of course as bad as the Knicks management has been I still think the worst move of the last 10 years was Boston trading expiring contracts for Vin Baker.

Joe Mama

 

[jbeecham]

Don't forget about NY giving us a 1st rd pick and Chris Dudley for Luc Longley. I know it was part of a 4 team trade, but that was bad for NY.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

can anyone think of the last "good" FA signing or trade NY made??

Not a decent, or even one....but an actual good one

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
can anyone think of the last "good" FA signing or trade NY made??

Not a decent, or even one....but an actual good one

Good point, I can't.

 

[elindholm]

I don't remember what the first contract was that they signed Allan Houston to, but I don't think it was that bad. Then they got carried away and extended him on the absurd deal he has now.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Originally posted by elindholm
I don't remember what the first contract was that they signed Allan Houston to, but I don't think it was that bad. Then they got carried away and extended him on the absurd deal he has now.

that had to be sooo long ago

 

[jbeecham]

The last good thing I can think of the Knicks doing was drafting Patrick Ewing. But then again, I'm not a knick fan.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Strangely this proposed trade seems lopsided in favor of the Celtics.

I disagree.
A bit one-dimensional late lottery pick, a good dirty wirty-work bigman who is already 31 years old, a damaged late 1st rounder and cap relief isn't that much for a multi-talented All-Star in his prime.

Of course as bad as the Knicks management has been I still think the worst move of the last 10 years was Boston trading expiring contracts for Vin Baker.

Joe Mama

That's an exaggeration.

MIL traded Nowitzki and Garrity for Tractor Traylor, BOS traded Andre Miller (#8/1999) for Vitali Potapenko, GSW traded Jason Terry (#10/1999) for Mookie Blaylock etc.

Of course I agree that the Baker-trade was one of the worst trades of the last 3-4 years.

 

[cheng]

Originally posted by elindholm
I don't remember what the first contract was that they signed Allan Houston to, but I don't think it was that bad. Then they got carried away and extended him on the absurd deal he has now.

It was something like 6 year 56 mils back in 96 when they also traded Mason for Larry Johnson and signed Chris Child.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I disagree.
A bit one-dimensional late lottery pick, a good dirty wirty-work bigman who is already 31 years old, a damaged late 1st rounder and cap relief isn't that much for a multi-talented All-Star in his prime.

How is Mike Sweetney one-dimensional? I mean he is a rookie, see you really don't know how he'll fare in the league yet, but he's got a nice low postgame, a nice midrange shot, is a great free-throw shooter, and a pretty good shot blocker. That doesn't sound like a one-dimensional draft pick to me. If he was 2 in. taller he would have been a top-five pick.

Thomas will probably opt out of his contract at the end of that season, and Charlie Ward will be a free agent also. That will free up $9-10 million next summer. If I'm figuring this correctly that will put Boston at $40 million next summer.

That's an exaggeration.

MIL traded Nowitzki and Garrity for Tractor Traylor, BOS traded Andre Miller (#8/1999) for Vitali Potapenko, GSW traded Jason Terry (#10/1999) for Mookie Blaylock etc.

Of course I agree that the Baker-trade was one of the worst trades of the last 3-4 years.

I would agree that the Milwaukee /Dallas trade ended up more lopsided, but that was a trade involving players who hadn't even played yet. It didn't look like a terrible trade for Milwaukee when it went down. Everybody and their mom knew the Baker trade was a horrible move for Boston as soon as it happened. Some Boston fans try to sugarcoat it, but even they knew how bad it was. I feel the same way about the other trade you mentioned as well.

The Vin Baker trade was so stupid for the Boston Celtics and I can't believe the people of Boston (and the other players) haven't lynched everyone involved in the decision.

Joe Mama

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
How is Mike Sweetney one-dimensional? I mean he is a rookie, see you really don't know how he'll fare in the league yet, but he's got a nice low postgame, a nice midrange shot, is a great free-throw shooter, and a pretty good shot blocker. That doesn't sound like a one-dimensional draft pick to me.

I said that Sweetney is a BIT one-dimensional.

I never realized that he would have a nice mid-range J.Moreover I didn't realize that he has a mid-range J at all.
He is a very good post-up player,a hard-worker and a good FT-shooter.He lacks athleticism and face-to basket game.
I doubt that he will become an above average shotblocker in NBA because of his unathleticism and size.

Thomas will probably opt out of his contract at the end of that season,

I think that there is a team option on his contract.
If it indeed would be a player option I still doubt that he would get anywhere else more than 6 mil.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I said that Sweetney is a BIT one-dimensional.

hcsilla, I know you didn't mean it to, but do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin


hcsilla, I know you didn't mean it to, but do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

I don't.Please help me!

 

[Chaplin]

Just the whole exchange:

hcsilla:
Mike Sweetney is one-dimensional.

Joe:
How is Mike Sweetney one-dimensional?

hcsilla:
I only said he is a BIT one-dimensional.

I'm not so sure that arguement will sway Joe on this one...

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Just the whole exchange:

hcsilla:
Mike Sweetney is one-dimensional.

Joe:
How is Mike Sweetney one-dimensional?

hcsilla:
I only said he is a BIT one-dimensional.

I'm not so sure that arguement will sway Joe on this one...

I wrote that "a BIT one-dimensional lottery pick".
Then I reminded (without using the word "only") what I indeed wrote.
After I tried to explain why I think that Sweetney is a bit one-dimensional.

I still don't understand what is so funny for you but I'm happy that you have a good time.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I wrote that "a BIT one-dimensional lottery pick".
Then I reminded (without using the word "only") what I indeed wrote.
After I tried to explain why I think that Sweetney is a bit one-dimensional.

I still don't understand what is so funny for you but I'm happy that you have a good time.

I guess it just comes from the fact that English isn't your first language. It's not roll on the floor funny though...

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
I guess it just comes from the fact that English isn't your first language.

Maybe it does although you missed the fact that I used the phrase "a BIT one-dimensional" in my original post and after I wrote my opinion why I think that Sweetney is a BIT one-dimensional.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Maybe it does although you missed the fact that I used the phrase "a BIT one-dimensional" in my original post and after I wrote my opinion why I think that Sweetney is a BIT one-dimensional.

Lighten up. Please. You're making this a big deal when it doesn't have to be. I'm not making fun of you.

 

[elindholm]

I'm not making fun of you.

Yeah hcsilla, and if your English were better, you'd recognize that.

(Just kidding, everyone.)

 

[Chaplin]

I DO sincerely apologize about that remark if it was taken the wrong way. It was not meant to demean or insult hcsilla or our other non-native English speakers in any way, shape or form.