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Bear Down Trevor!
http://www.azstarnet.com/sports/148520

Position change created Hoffman
Opinion by Greg Hansen
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 09.27.2006
In the fall of 1986, UA assistant baseball coach Jerry Stitt flew to Los Angeles to evaluate an infielder at Cypress College, someone who might be able to replace NCAA championship shortstop Dave Rohde.
That infielder was Trevor Hoffman.
Stitt was not sure it was the same Trevor Hoffman he had scouted two years earlier at Anaheim's Savannah High School; at that time, Hoffman was about 5 feet 6 inches, maybe 160 pounds.
And he was operating with just one kidney, having lost the other during a childhood illness.
The Hoffman that Stitt saw at Cypress was about 6-1, 190 pounds, had a barrel chest, sturdy, almost oversized-thighs, and a throwing arm so powerful that Stitt joked he would not follow baseball's rating system, one in which 80 is the maximum number allowed to describe a prospect's skills.
"I think I told people that I'd give Trevor's arm a 90," Stitt said Monday, chuckling at the memory.
"He was a late bloomer, obviously. He had a cannon arm. He was a great fielder, a fair hitter and a solid leader. He was the type of guy you wanted on your team."
When Hoffman, now with the San Diego Padres, made his recruiting visit to Tucson, neither pitching coach Jim Wing nor head coach Jerry Kindall said anything about making Hoffman a pitcher. They needed a shortstop; Hoffman would be that guy.
In two years as Arizona's starting shortstop, Hoffman hit .371 and .284. He never hit more than six home runs in a season. The marquee names of the UA's 1989 Pac-10 championship squad were future major-leaguers J.T. Snow, Alan Zinter and Scott Erickson.
Hoffman pitched in two or three junior varsity games while at Arizona, but, said Stitt, "mostly for fun. He did OK."
It wasn't that UA coaches did not know the business.
During that period, Arizona was recruiting an infielder from L.A.'s Providence High School, Jeff Cirillo, who indicated he would probably sign with Arizona if he could pitch. Stitt, the hitting coach, said no. He saw Cirillo, who wound up at USC, as a hitter.
You never know, right?
As a Trojans' pitcher, Cirillo went 3-4 with a 7.75 ERA and was ultimately moved to the outfield. He has since made two major-league All-Star teams as an infielder, amassing 1,548 hits.
You never know, Part II: Hoffman, an 11th-round draft pick of Cincinnati in 1989, spent two years playing shortstop in the Reds system. He hit .249 and .212 in his first two seasons.
In midsummer 1991, the Reds were about to release Hoffman from Class A Charleston, W.Va.
And now, $54 million in salary later, Hoffman is Hall of Fame-bound as baseball's career saves leader.
The story gets better: After registering save No. 479 Sunday against Pittsburgh, Hoffman emerged from an on-field celebration and pointed to a man in the Pirates dugout. That man, Pittsburgh bench coach Jim Lett, was the man who first suggested Hoffman become a pitcher.
Try to imagine that conversation.
Charleston was playing at Greensboro, N.C., in midseason 1991. Lett and his pitching coach, Mike Griffin, met with Hoffman and asked if he would be interested in pitching.
Rather than be fat-headed, Hoffman agreed that he had no future as a .212-hitting shortstop.
Griffin, now the pitching coach for the Triple-A Pawtucket Red Sox, has told the same story for years, and last month he told ESPN:
"After the first five or six pitches in the bullpen, I told (Lett) that we were onto something. I told him, 'This guy is going to be somebody.'"
Hoffman completed '91 at shortstop, but pitched in the bullpen periodically, watched closely by Jett and Griffin. Picture what they can tell their grandchildren someday.
"Ever hear of Trevor Hoffman?"
"The Hall of Fame pitcher?"
"He used to be a washed-up shortstop. I persuaded him to become a pitcher."
"You're kidding, Grandpa, right?"
"True story."
While at Sancet Field at a mid-1990s Alumni Game, established in his sport and wealthy beyond imagination, Hoffman sat in the dugout from his college days and talked about becoming a pitcher.
"I didn't have much of a choice," he told me in his typically modest style. "I couldn't hit a slider. If I had not become a pitcher, I'd probably be coaching high school ball somewhere in L.A."
And one more thing: In his major-league career, Hoffman has been allowed to bat 33 times. He has four hits and is a .121 career hitter.
Now he even hits like a pitcher.
 

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Your obviously a Pew fan so I can see why you posted this a little bit. However, I don't want to read any articles on a player from a division rival team. I could give two craps about Trevor Hoffman, in my eyes he's the enemy. You don't see anyone posting articles about Andre Eithier who may win rookie of the year award for division rival LA.
 

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There is typically nothing wrong with posting threads on other MLB teams or players in this forum at ASFN.
 

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Thanks mod. I was giving my opinion but since you love to nitpick I shouldn't expect anything else.
Why do you think you should be able to tell others what they can and can't post? There was nothing wrong with what Zona did, so if you don't want to read an article on Trevor Hoffman, then don't click on a thread marked "Nice Article on Trevor Hoffman."
 

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If I see a thread about a player from a division rival I'm gonna open it. If it's in good taste like that, I'm gonna recommend that they don't post. I didn't read it and don't want to. I would hope others feel the same way. As I said before it's my opinion. It is your forum so I'll abide by your rules. I'm so very sorry
 

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If I see a thread about a player from a division rival I'm gonna open it. If it's in good taste like that, I'm gonna recommend that they don't post. I didn't read it and don't want to. I would hope others feel the same way. As I said before it's my opinion. It is your forum so I'll abide by your rules. I'm so very sorry
This isn't "my" forum, I don't own it. I'm just a volunteer that helps keep this place running as smooth as possible. I'm not picking on you, its just that I have recieved complaints of this forum becoming too hostile in general, and part of my job is to fix that. I do not want to discourage posters like Zona from posting information others (but obviously not all) will find interesting.

I don't really care about Hoffman either, but that doesn't mean others won't want to read it.
 

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Your obviously a Pew fan so I can see why you posted this a little bit. However, I don't want to read any articles on a player from a division rival team. I could give two craps about Trevor Hoffman, in my eyes he's the enemy. You don't see anyone posting articles about Andre Eithier who may win rookie of the year award for division rival LA.

Lighten up Francis. All baseball topics are welcome in this baseball forum, especially one involving the UA or the setting of a Major League record.
 

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This isn't "my" forum, I don't own it. I'm just a volunteer that helps keep this place running as smooth as possible. I'm not picking on you, its just that I have recieved complaints of this forum becoming too hostile in general, and part of my job is to fix that. I do not want to discourage posters like Zona from posting information others (but obviously not all) will find interesting.

I don't really care about Hoffman either, but that doesn't mean others won't want to read it.

I've been here for over a year and I don't see how this board is hostile at all. I could be wrong, it may have been bad before I started posting here. The Cardinal board is much more "hostile" and you don't have to worry about getting told what you can and can't say (when it comes to views). As long as people keep it clean and aren't complete jerks then they should be able to post their views. I never told him he can't post articles like the one he posted. I posted my opinion that I didn't want to see any articles on a foe from a division rival, whether it's someone getting a record or not. If something like that got posted on the Cards board there would be much worse things said and forgood reasons.

CHF, I'm sorry for retaliating the way did. I went back and tried to cut out my sarcastic comment but you quoted me before I could get to it. I strongly hate division rivals of all the teams I cheer for and get passionate sometimes. Shouldn't have attacked the way I did
 
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Your obviously a Pew fan so I can see why you posted this a little bit. However, I don't want to read any articles on a player from a division rival team. I could give two craps about Trevor Hoffman, in my eyes he's the enemy. You don't see anyone posting articles about Andre Eithier who may win rookie of the year award for division rival LA.


I'm sorry if you don't like the article, but if you don't like it, don't read it. I've been posting on this forum since this site opened and I have posted in the past about players other than the Diamondbacks, and I will continue to do so in the future.

And yes, I am a University of Arizona graduate and proud of it. I know there are other Wildcat fans on this board who agree with me and are proud of what Trevor did and enjoy reading stories like the one I posted.
 

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I'm sorry if you don't like the article, but if you don't like it, don't read it. I've been posting on this forum since this site opened and I have posted in the past about players other than the Diamondbacks, and I will continue to do so in the future.

And yes, I am a University of Arizona graduate and proud of it. I know there are other Wildcat fans on this board who agree with me and are proud of what Trevor did and enjoy reading stories like the one I posted.

Post it in the college section then. I don't want to read anything in good taste of a division rival. This is just my opinion, others may disagree
 
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Post it in the college section then. I don't want to read anything in good taste of a division rival. This is just my opinion, others may disagree

I'm going to post it here, it's about major league baseball. Like I said, if you don't like it, don't read it. It's that simple. If the article was about a current UofA or ASU player, then I would post it on the college board. With your theory, we might as well post all articles on almost all professional athletes in the college forum because most of them played in college,:shrug:
 

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Alright, I think that's enough of this.

For the record, articles on other players or teams around MLB are generally fine here. I understand that many do not want to read warm and fuzzy articles on division rivals of the Diamondbacks, and that is fine. I realize that having lots of articles on rivals would get annoying, but there are cases like this one (state product, new MLB record holder, etc) that will interest some even if it is on a division rival. Not everybody is going to be interested in every article here, but you have to understand that that doesn't mean others here won't find it useful. Like I said before, don't read it if you don't want to.
 
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