Nikola Pekovic

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Guess the Wolves just found their center.

26/9/1/2/2 in the third quarter right now.

Putting up 17ppg 10.6rpg 1bpg 1spg 61%FG in 32mpg february.
 

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Good god... I wonder if the Lakers will ask for him for Gasol.
 

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Guess the Wolves just found their center.

26/9/1/2/2 in the third quarter right now.

Putting up 17ppg 10.6rpg 1bpg 1spg 61%FG in 32mpg february.

PLAYER.....MPG......PPG.....RPG.....BPG.....SPG

Pekovic.... 32.0.....17.0.....10.6.....1.0......1.0

Gortat.......32.8.....15.2.....10.1.....1.0......0.7

Your stats for Pekovic cover a half a month.

The stats for Gortat cover season-to-date, part of it with a broken finger on his right hand.

"I guess the Suns found their center." But you're honoring Pekovic. Hmmm.
 

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PLAYER.....MPG......PPG.....RPG.....BPG.....SPG

Pekovic.... 32.0.....17.0.....10.6.....1.0......1.0

Gortat.......32.8.....15.2.....10.1.....1.0......0.7

Your stats for Pekovic cover a half a month.

The stats for Gortat cover season-to-date, part of it with a broken finger on his right hand.

"I guess the Suns found their center." But you're honoring Pekovic. Hmmm.

ouch! Cue rebuttal in 3.......2....1..... (stat digging)
 
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PLAYER.....MPG......PPG.....RPG.....BPG.....SPG

Pekovic.... 32.0.....17.0.....10.6.....1.0......1.0

Gortat.......32.8.....15.2.....10.1.....1.0......0.7

Your stats for Pekovic cover a half a month.

The stats for Gortat cover season-to-date, part of it with a broken finger on his right hand.

"I guess the Suns found their center." But you're honoring Pekovic. Hmmm.

1. Pekovic stats in that stretch are better.
1b. You forgot to mention Pekovic shooting 61.3%FG compared to Gortat 55.1%FG. These are both numbers for the entire season by the way.
1c. Don't take into account his 30/12/1/3/3 game today.
2. Pekovic is 2 years younger
3. Pekovic plays on the better team
4. Pekovic is a 2nd year player (Gortat 5)
5. Pekovic does not have Nash assisting him. Pekovic is assisted on 65% of his, Gortat 80%.
6. Pekovic does not rely on finishing pick and rolls for the vast majority of his offense.
7. Pekovic topped Gortats career high points twice already this month.
 
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3. Pekovic plays on the better team
Which makes it easier to put up better stats.

Hardly a reason to glorify a half-month performance vs. what Gortat has been doing ever since he was finally made a starter and didn't have to play 18 consecutive minutes every half of every game.
 
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Which makes it easier to put up better stats.

Hardly a reason to glorify a half-month performance vs. what Gortat has been doing ever since he was finally made a starter and didn't have to play 18 consecutive minutes every half of every game.

:D

Sorry buddy but go look it up and come back to me with a stretch of at least 10 games where Gortat put up better stats than 18/11/1/1+/1+ 60%FG+

Gortat has not done this ever since. Gortat doesn't even have a full season under his belt at his current level either.

And yeah putting up stats on a better team isn't easier. If Gortat was on a better team he wouldn't be the #1 option and have all these pick and rolls run for him to score easy points.
 

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What is the argument here? That Peković is/will be a better player than Gortat? That may indeed turn out to be true. Does that make Gortat less valuable somehow?

Peković was highly regarded among the 2008 draft class. He slipped into the second round (31st overall) because of contract/buyout issues. Otherwise he likely would have gone much higher.
 

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And yeah putting up stats on a better team isn't easier. If Gortat was on a better team he wouldn't be the #1 option and have all these pick and rolls run for him to score easy points.
Once again, a poster who thinks the only aspect to basketball (especially team basketball) is scoring points. It is that thinking that has kept the Suns from ever being a post-season powerhouse.
 
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Once again, a poster who thinks the only aspect to basketball (especially team basketball) is scoring points. It is that thinking that has kept the Suns from ever being a post-season powerhouse.

What utter non-sense. Offense is 50% of the game and is equally as important as defense in order to win a championship, you can go look up DRtg ORtag of all past championship teams.

The Suns have nobody that can create other than Nash and nobody they can go to in the post.

Also it is not like Gortat is a super stud defensively. He is good man-to-man and at best average on help defense.
 

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Something tells me that Kevin Love draws a lot more of the opposing defensive focus than Channing Frye does...

Just a thought.
 

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What utter non-sense. Offense is 50% of the game and is equally as important as defense in order to win a championship, you can go look up DRtg ORtag of all past championship teams.

The Suns have nobody that can create other than Nash and nobody they can go to in the post.

Also it is not like Gortat is a super stud defensively. He is good man-to-man and at best average on help defense.

Although I don't agree with your argument about Pekovic vs Gortat, I agree with everything in this post. Offense is important even for championship contenders, Gortat isn't a great help defender and the Suns are seriously lacking when it comes to individual offensive threats. But, it's hard to ignore the importance of defense when you're a fan of a team that has constantly ignored it in search of offense.

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1. Pekovic stats in that stretch are better.
1b. You forgot to mention Pekovic shooting 61.3%FG compared to Gortat 55.1%FG. These are both numbers for the entire season by the way.

Gortat was over 60% and leading the league in FG% for several weeks. Did you forget that?

Gortat still is the 5th most efficient center in the NBA (eff 21.0). Pekovic 17th (eff 15.2).

2. Pekovic is 2 years younger
Wow. 2 years younger.

3. Pekovic plays on the better team

They have a better offense as well which means more opportunities.

4. Pekovic is a 2nd year player (Gortat 5)

Gortat didn't get consistant playing time until last year and he is on a team where he is not relied upon to score.

5. Pekovic does not have Nash assisting him. Pekovic is assisted on 65% of his, Gortat 80%.

Means nothing. That is dependent on your role and it doesn't matter how many shots Gortat is assisted on. He still shoots almost 5.5 of 10 shots via jump shots and makes them. It's not like the majority of his shots are layups and dunks.

For every 10 shots......5.5 come from Jump shots, 3.7 from around the rim (not all are pick and rolls), .4 are dunks and .4 are tips. So at least 6 of every 10 shots Gortat makes are not off the pick and rolls as you falsely claim.

In terms of Nash, put Pekovic on this team and his assisted numbers go way up. The Suns wouldn't be playing him on the block here. It's not how this offense works unless you have not been paying attention.


6. Pekovic does not rely on finishing pick and rolls for the vast majority of his offense.

Neither does Gortat. About 60% of his shots are not pick and roll points. Nash only accounts 10.9 assist per game. So unless your going to ridiculously argue that all those assist go to Gortat and that they are all pick N rolls.....you are wrong. Gortat gets plenty of assist form other guys and they are not pick and rolls. We only have one guy on this team good at that and he assists other players on this team.

7. Pekovic topped Gortats career high points twice already this month.

He has a different role.

.8 points, .5 rebounds, even blocks, fewer steals.

That is what separates the players and the Suns still have not found their center but Minnesota has?

:biglaugh:


Also it is not like Gortat is a super stud defensively. He is good man-to-man and at best average on help defense.

So explain to me Pekovic's excuse. The Suns from the Center position have the 7th ranked team in defensive efficiency from the Center position. Minnesota is 25th in the NBA. Gortat plays on a team that plays a significant amount of small ball still at the Center position. Minnesota on the other hand goes to 2 seven footers in Darko and Miller or Love for stretches. The Suns don't have any quality backup at Center but are more efficient both offensively and defensively from that spot.

Considering how useless Lopez is that should tell you something about Gortat.

Slinslin, when all is said and done Pekovic might turn out to be the better center but it's not like he is HA, TD or DH. Gortat and Pekovic are in the same tier with each other. That shows how ridiculous you are being once again.
 
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OK Slin. I get it. You don't like Gortat. You made the point you do not like Gortat.
 

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Let me ask you something, slinslin.

I couldn't blame you for not liking someone else on our roster like telfair or brown because they're really awful, but Gortat is one of the rare players that is really trying, trying to improve his game and the Suns game as a whole. He is not perfect, but he is a legit center.

If you are constantly thrashing one of the best Suns players right now, and constantly want us to lose every game, why are you a Suns fan at all?
 
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